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1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
January 30 2012 22:07 GMT
#341
On January 31 2012 07:05 Morrisson wrote:
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On January 31 2012 07:04 1Eris1 wrote:
On January 31 2012 07:00 Laurens wrote:
if it's 2:45 AM and he has to wait for a 3rd place game, then play a BO7...
vs a macro player like Kas that'd take until at least 4 AM >.>

I suppose if Kas can stay up for it, so can Stephano, but still..



Why the hell did he sign up for the tournament than if he knew it might run that late?

Maybe not THAT late, most of the time, late mean 1am....



Wow what a crap excuse. What about the tournament workers and casters who stayed up all night long to put on the tournament? What about the other players? Kas was up even later than Stephano btw
Known Aliases: Tyragon, Valeric ~MSL Forever, SKT is truly the Superior KT!
nt-rAven
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada405 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-30 22:08:10
January 30 2012 22:07 GMT
#342
it was like 2:30 in the morning european time after playing all day and having played a tournament before, but i guess that was lost in translation! Blown way out of proportion if you ask me~
get owned
tekos44
Profile Joined June 2011
France280 Posts
January 30 2012 22:07 GMT
#343
TL should create an anti-fanclub section next to the fanclub one.

And put this thread in it
s4life
Profile Joined March 2007
Peru1519 Posts
January 30 2012 22:07 GMT
#344
On January 31 2012 06:45 halvorg wrote:
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On January 31 2012 06:35 s4life wrote:
On January 31 2012 06:31 halvorg wrote:
I don't see the problem, Stephano forfeited the finals of a mediocre online tournament when they refused to postpone it. Being upset that Stephano refuses to play when beat up and tired at a very unreasonable time for any person to compete in anything is strange to me.

Oh well, I guess ONOG can ban the best foreign player if they want to.


I wish other tournaments would ban him too, this is such a lack of respect for fans and organizers he should be made an example of it imho. Integrity and professionalism should count for something, even in such a young sports discipline as e-sports.


Stephano plays in a lot of tournaments mate, he has forfeited 3-4 times that I'm aware of. Usually because of scheduling conflicts.

Professionalism and integrity is not to accept subpar playing conditions, stop overreacting.


Playing conditions he himself accepted with full knowledge of the times, brackets and opponents. He should have planned ahead for playing in them, period, that's what means to be a pro player. And yeah, tournaments should ban his ass off, he seems not to care about the community, the organizers and the fans. He needs a wake up call..
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
January 30 2012 22:07 GMT
#345
On January 31 2012 06:19 s4life wrote:
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On January 31 2012 06:03 nicknup wrote:
Tennis players forfeit games in tournaments they have commited to participate due to injuries and beeing tired and no one bash then.


Sure, things out of control are pretty reasonable excuses not to play -- like a pulled muscle f.e. -- but come on, Stephano accepted the invitation and knew perfectly well what he was getting into, he should have planned for it.. on top of that made wait for him an hour or so.. that's just him being completely unprofessional.

No, you can forfeit if you're exhausted and can't continue. Same thing as stephano.
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
January 30 2012 22:07 GMT
#346
On January 31 2012 07:03 Zairair wrote:
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On January 31 2012 07:00 Tobberoth wrote:
I wonder if the people claiming forfeiting is an acceptable part of the game would feel the same way if MVP decided to forfeit in a GSL final vs Nestea. Probably not.


Irrelevant. If you're in the GSL any other tournament is probably lesser in Korea, and that said other tournament would be the one MVP would most likely forfeit.

Doesn't matter, the point is that the tournament builds up to the final and people damn well want to see it after seeing players work to get there. It's a slap in the face to the organizers and the fans to play to the final and then just give up. People who are saying he should get second place regardless are even dumber, should the tournament just end without a finals?

No one can force you to play a game (though, if you're a professional, you shouldn't need to be forced), but you should obviously not expect to get any prize money when you shit all over the event.
EndOfTime88
Profile Joined February 2011
Austria259 Posts
January 30 2012 22:07 GMT
#347
Not a big deal. Stephano made the right decision for him, and his penalty is not winning what he could have.
I don't see any other issue here.
"Time is what we want most,but what we use worst."-William Penn
Klaas
Profile Joined April 2011
Slovenia86 Posts
January 30 2012 22:07 GMT
#348
Nothing wrong with forfeiting a match, doesn't matter at what stage he does it. I think it's wrong that he didn't get 2nd place, but if he's not going to protest, then there's no problem.
Zairair
Profile Joined August 2011
87 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-30 22:11:24
January 30 2012 22:08 GMT
#349
On January 31 2012 07:07 Tobberoth wrote:
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On January 31 2012 07:03 Zairair wrote:
On January 31 2012 07:00 Tobberoth wrote:
I wonder if the people claiming forfeiting is an acceptable part of the game would feel the same way if MVP decided to forfeit in a GSL final vs Nestea. Probably not.


Irrelevant. If you're in the GSL any other tournament is probably lesser in Korea, and that said other tournament would be the one MVP would most likely forfeit.

Doesn't matter, the point is that the tournament builds up to the final and people damn well want to see it after seeing players work to get there. It's a slap in the face to the organizers and the fans to play to the final and then just give up. People who are saying he should get second place regardless are even dumber, should the tournament just end without a finals?

No one can force you to play a game (though, if you're a professional, you shouldn't need to be forced), but you should obviously not expect to get any prize money when you shit all over the event.


It does matter, your premise itself was a contradiction because you're saying MVP will forfeit the GSL finals, but in proof and practice he will not forfeit the GSL finals. Thus your conclusion is invalid. Yes the tournament should end without a finals. That's how it works when you forfeit the match.
TheUnderking
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada202 Posts
January 30 2012 22:08 GMT
#350
So....what about Tyler forfeitting? Why is that not mentioned?

I agree what Stephano did is lame, and pushing him back to 4th place seems reasonable. Stephano seems to have accepted this punishment, so where's the drama?
THE PACT IS SEALED!
Arcane86
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States68 Posts
January 30 2012 22:08 GMT
#351
I find it impressive that Stephano, having fought his way into the finals match, doesn't appear to feel entitled to the second place prize. For someone who is explicitly in this for the money, it takes an impressive amount of maturity to not publicly gripe about not getting the 2nd place winnings. Granted, a greater degree of maturity would have meant he would have thought out how late the tournament might have gone and would have elected not to participate in ONOG, but I'll give him some credit.

And props to ONOG for the best off-the-cuff response they could possibly have managed.
There is no Cow Level
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
January 30 2012 22:09 GMT
#352
On January 31 2012 07:07 1Eris1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2012 07:05 Morrisson wrote:
On January 31 2012 07:04 1Eris1 wrote:
On January 31 2012 07:00 Laurens wrote:
if it's 2:45 AM and he has to wait for a 3rd place game, then play a BO7...
vs a macro player like Kas that'd take until at least 4 AM >.>

I suppose if Kas can stay up for it, so can Stephano, but still..



Why the hell did he sign up for the tournament than if he knew it might run that late?

Maybe not THAT late, most of the time, late mean 1am....



Wow what a crap excuse. What about the tournament workers and casters who stayed up all night long to put on the tournament? What about the other players? Kas was up even later than Stephano btw

I can run 30 km. Why can't you? That's basically the logic you're using here. If stephano felt he was unfit he was unfit. I honestly have no idea what's so hard to understand from stephano's perspective. You think he purposely wanted to abuse his power and get easy money without playing the finals BY GIVING UP A CHANCE AT 700 MORE DOLLARS FOR ONE SERIES?
KenChan
Profile Joined January 2012
54 Posts
January 30 2012 22:09 GMT
#353
LOL he has the right to forfeit anytime he wants, basic freedom.
dsousa
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1363 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-30 22:11:38
January 30 2012 22:09 GMT
#354
On January 31 2012 07:04 1Eris1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2012 07:00 Laurens wrote:
if it's 2:45 AM and he has to wait for a 3rd place game, then play a BO7...
vs a macro player like Kas that'd take until at least 4 AM >.>

I suppose if Kas can stay up for it, so can Stephano, but still..



Why the hell did he sign up for the tournament than if he knew it might run that late?


Yes, he made a scheduling error many weeks ago and because he is so good, he had to play the max possible series in two separate multi-day tournaments that conclude on the same day.

So we agree, this wouldn't be much of a problem if he wasn't steamrolling the competition right?

Clearly if he was a mid tier player, he could forfeit anytime no problem... aka Tyler.... and if he was Polt, it would be ok too for some reason.

Kids too good and too fun to watch, that's his sin. The mob wants MORE STEPHANO!!!

Its good all the haters be known..... because they dwindle quickly next time he's in a tournament.

He's the European Flash of SC2. :D
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
January 30 2012 22:09 GMT
#355
On January 31 2012 07:05 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2012 07:00 Tobberoth wrote:
I wonder if the people claiming forfeiting is an acceptable part of the game would feel the same way if MVP decided to forfeit in a GSL final vs Nestea. Probably not.

The hell? If MVP's CTS started acting up and he forfeited would you complain? Really? I guess he should know better than to enter tournaments when he knows he has CTS.

You honestly can't differentiate between an illness and being tired?

Wow.
Ostby
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway38 Posts
January 30 2012 22:09 GMT
#356
Why is this even a thread?? Is it so goddamn hard to understand that someone forfeits a game at 0230 at night, right after finishing another final that probably drained the little energy he had left? wow there are alot of whiny little kids in this thread.
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7593 Posts
January 30 2012 22:10 GMT
#357
People need to stop overboard defending sides, or arguing vs the admins on TL. Neither of which is constructive, this deserves to be newsworthy, and people need to stop bringing up other players who have forfeitted as it is not on the same level and distracting.

End of the day, superbly handled by ONOG and a good conclusion.
DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
January 30 2012 22:10 GMT
#358
Dude just needs to learn to schedule his time better.
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
January 30 2012 22:10 GMT
#359
Good decision by ONOG, but no need to hate on Stephano, he said he wont play and accepts walkover lose if need be, surely sucks for those who wanted to see him then and there but hey, it's not the end of the world
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
zefreak
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States2731 Posts
January 30 2012 22:10 GMT
#360
On January 31 2012 07:05 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2012 07:00 Tobberoth wrote:
I wonder if the people claiming forfeiting is an acceptable part of the game would feel the same way if MVP decided to forfeit in a GSL final vs Nestea. Probably not.

The hell? If MVP's CTS started acting up and he forfeited would you complain? Really? I guess he should know better than to enter tournaments when he knows he has CTS.


MVP's CTS does act up and he still doesn't forfeit.
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