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ohmkerg
United States102 Posts
On January 31 2012 07:13 Itsmedudeman wrote: So if you sign up for a marathon you should finish it no matter what and if you get tired people have the right to bitch at you. Okay. ROFL the logic you people use is so circular | ||
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On January 31 2012 07:11 Itsmedudeman wrote: ????????? They both have problems physically that make them unable to play and that could have been forseen. If a person feels that they're unfit to play then they don't have to play. How are you unable to play just because you're tired, jesus. Are you one of those people who seriously take sick-leave from work just because you're tired? | ||
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Zairair
87 Posts
On January 31 2012 07:13 Tobberoth wrote: Lol, where do you find that contradiction? Your reply to my post was barely relevant since you mention some lesser tournament which had nothing to do with what I was talking about. Point is that pretty much no one would accept a BS forfeit in a GSL final, yet people are really quick to think it's cool in this case just because it wasn't a huge tournament. It's more relevant to the thread and case. You presented a situation in which will never occur. Your conclusion is thus invalid. You can't say, the sky is blue, thus the point is Stephano should burn at the stake. That's not an argument. | ||
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plouer
France32 Posts
so sad. and quotting an official communicate and 2 tweet??? my god !!! TL must be much more pro as they are the 1rst source of information on sc2. no need to news this really happenned all the times in online cup. polt did it last week..... | ||
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garbodor
269 Posts
On January 31 2012 07:13 INTOtheVOID wrote: Players forfeit all the time. Why do certain incidents seem to be highlighted more than others? It's not like Stephano and Naniwa are the only two players to ever forfeit matches. This most recent incident is just another opportunity for the Sc2 community to engage in what they're best at: whining. #1 Community-run event #2 Funded by volunteer work, not by million dollar companies He shit on the community that put this tournament together, 100%. | ||
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FaRess
Tunisia937 Posts
On January 31 2012 07:03 Morrisson wrote: ONOG would have been just another subpar, un-interesting online tournament that nobody would have watched and/or remembered if it wasnt for Stephano and Kas participating. The production was horrible, with a laggy stream, casters that prided themselves in NOT watching GSL and saying stupind non-sense all the time, and with scheduling issues. Stephano did not act really professionally but most people over-react to this so much, it's unbelievable. Gosh, the kid was probably just sleeping over his keyboard. Want to punish him? Dont invite him again. But he landed top 2, he should stay top 2, dont invent rules to demote him to the 4th place because you dont like him. I'm a stephano fan right ... right. What he did, IS a complete dick move, I agree with that, the only problem I have is, what is the point of this thread, the only thing you're going to see is hate and racism here and there. Wouldn't it be more interesting that whoever posted this news instead of wasting his time here,Tries to create a common channel for tournaments to agree on a set of rules clearly stating what should happen in this kind of circumstances ? | ||
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Phobbers
773 Posts
Stephano was invited to play, Stepano knew what he was getting himself into when accepting invites to two tournaments in the same day. But he still accepted. I feel it's only right for ONOG and the community to be bothered that someone would accept an invite, while knowing the conditions. If Stephano didn't think he could do it, he shouldn't have. | ||
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s4life
Peru1519 Posts
On January 31 2012 07:07 Itsmedudeman wrote: No, you can forfeit if you're exhausted and can't continue. Same thing as stephano. Of course you can, but in that case you absolutely pay a price for it. A professional tennis player getting exhausted and forfeiting because of it is a huge deal, it means the player is pretty irresponsible with his training, preparation and on top of that show lack of temperance. He won't get any invites anytime soon. | ||
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pewpew415
United States48 Posts
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Condor Hero
United States2931 Posts
On January 31 2012 07:14 Tobberoth wrote: How are you unable to play just because you're tired, jesus. Are you one of those people who seriously take sick-leave from work just because you're tired? It's still up to the player to decide if he's ready or not. | ||
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aristarchus
United States652 Posts
On January 31 2012 07:11 Gheed wrote: I don't get why this is such a big deal. If he's tired, he's tired. Are you going to force him to play? Would you rather have him 6 pool 4 times and then go to sleep or just forfeit and sleep? This keeps getting said. It might be that he was actually dead tired and would have played miserably if he tried to play. That would also have been extremely disappointing to the people watching, and would have gotten criticism, but he would have seemed more sympathetic because he was trying so hard. But it's possible he really was that insanely tired. But if so, that's not an excuse. It just means he did the really dumb, irresponsible thing when he signed up for the tournament or didn't forfeit earlier, rather than when he forfeited. Either way, he did some very bad. | ||
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
On January 31 2012 07:13 Itsmedudeman wrote: So if you sign up for a marathon you should finish it no matter what and if you get tired people have the right to bitch at you. Okay. ROFL Why do you keep comparing this to a marathon? Marathon's are usually voluntary entered where there is no money involved, this is completely different. I never said you shouldn't be allowed to forfeit (where the hell are you getting that from?), but if you do, you should be punished because you failed to uphold your agreement. Obviously you can't force him to do something, but there is a thing called reprecussions in the world. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On January 31 2012 07:15 s4life wrote: Of course you can, but in that case you absolutely pay a price for it. A professional tennis player getting exhausted and forfeiting because of it is a huge deal, it means the player is pretty irresponsible with his training, preparation and on top of that show lack of temperance. He won't get any invites anytime soon. No, actually, no one bitches about it. They point out that they have to work at their conditioning, but no one is gonna walk up to them and tell them they're unprofessional and should be punished. | ||
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Korlinni
125 Posts
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Ym!r
131 Posts
On January 31 2012 06:50 aristarchus wrote: Huh? neither of them had any excuse whatsoever. Tyler forfeited in the first round, and it didn't make a big stir. There was no punishment to be done, and the tournament went on. What gets a thread isn't just about which player acted worse. It's about what is actually big news, and the impact and controversy involved in Stephano's situation is much, much bigger. Even before the thread, there was a ton of debate going on about Stephano, but none about Tyler, and that's just natural. People don't all read reddit... If TL is where you look for starcraft news, which is totally reasonable, and you don't randomly dig through live report threads, you'd never know this was an issue until this headline. If TL wants to be a real place for news, anything causing this much controversy has to be a headline somewhere that people actually see. Tyler didn't want to lose vs a caster (aka Rotterdam) | ||
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zefreak
United States2731 Posts
On January 31 2012 07:12 Itsmedudeman wrote: If it was bad enough he would. Have you ever tried to do anything that requires full concentration when you're sleep deprived and exhausted? Why the hell are you gonna force someone into that? It's their job? Like I said before, DRG played the MLG semifinals suffering from food poisoning, he was throwing up right before his match. He didn't issue any ultimatums. I don't think stephano should be forced to play his matches obviously, but I think players should be DQd from tournaments for doing so. In addition, this event had special circumstances to take into account; I feel like it was disrespectful to the fans and the volunteers. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On January 31 2012 07:16 1Eris1 wrote: Why do you keep comparing this to a marathon? Marathon's are usually voluntary stuff where there is no money involved, this is completely different. I never said you shouldn't be allowed to forfeit (where the hell are you getting that from?), but if you do, you should be punished because you failed to uphold your agreement. Obviously you can't force him to do something, but there is a thing called reprecussions in the world. He lost 700 dollars because they bumped him to 4th place and I think that's perfectly reasonable as he did not perform. | ||
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The Pale King
33 Posts
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Kahlgar
411 Posts
people in the sc2 community are such drama queens | ||
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s4life
Peru1519 Posts
On January 31 2012 07:16 Itsmedudeman wrote: No, actually, no one bitches about it. They point out that they have to work at their conditioning, but no one is gonna walk up to them and tell them they're unprofessional and should be punished. Actually, yes, tired players who quit because of it absolutely lose the respect of their peers, fans and organizers.. that's how it works in any sport. | ||
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