EPTStephano forfeits ONOG Finals - Page 16
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Shadow_Dog
Canada427 Posts
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kudjuk
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And btw Forfeiting is part of any game, it is not BM. BM would be to drone rush cause someone forced you to play the games. And the organizers could've played the other semis right when Stephano asked to go eat, and we could've all seen a great final... | ||
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Kevan
Sweden2303 Posts
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Zairair
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magnaflow
Canada1521 Posts
On January 31 2012 06:57 Inori wrote: That's just rude and unprofessional. He should be penalized (banned from other tournaments for a month) or something.. Who would enforce it? Tournaments want Stephano to play hebrings alot of attetnion, fans want too see Stephano play. Nobody would win by banning him. And they would be stupid to do so. | ||
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Apom
France656 Posts
On January 31 2012 06:46 fourColo wrote: Professionalism: (n) a state in which someone should do what ever I want them to do for pretty much no reason. So much truth in these words. I regret that Stephano forfeited in the finals of a $3K tournament. I regret that the tournament organizers enforced a penalty that was not pre-determined, but established on spot. I regret that Tyler forfeited without without so much as a reason, regardless of the round he played in. Above all, I regret that "Team Liquid ESPORTS" considers any of this newsworthy. | ||
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andis35
Latvia346 Posts
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Markwerf
Netherlands3728 Posts
You are in your right to forfeit I think but it can be penalized in some cases, you're not only getting money for winning games but also for showing up so a forfeit is worse then a loss, hence the starting money exists in numerous sports. Seems like 'e-sport' contracts and agreements are in a terrible state if there is so much hassle about this. Just let someone draw up a standard legal form for tournaments that can be sent to competitors explaining the various penalties etc. | ||
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Agathon
France1505 Posts
On January 31 2012 06:52 Hot_Bid wrote: I warned you because this is the second time you've tried to derail the thread about something completely unrelated to the issue. You made a post earlier in this thread about Destiny being featured too, if you think homophobic language on featured streams is an important issue by all means make another thread about it yourself in website feedback. Just stop derailing, post again about this and it's a ban. Thanks. Ok, no problem, i'll try to express my point of view in a better way. | ||
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Laurens
Belgium4553 Posts
vs a macro player like Kas that'd take until at least 4 AM >.> I suppose if Kas can stay up for it, so can Stephano, but still.. | ||
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Swiipii
2195 Posts
Stephano should have do this better but what is done is done , he was punished for his behavior and he is fine with that . Do people really have enjoyed 3 6 pool in a final like that ? I don't think so . (i apologize for my really bad english) | ||
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zedi
165 Posts
On January 31 2012 06:58 Apom wrote: Above all, I regret that "Team Liquid ESPORTS" considers any of this newsworthy. How exactly is this not newsworthy? | ||
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
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snively
United States1159 Posts
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sirkyan
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Melange
United States39 Posts
On January 31 2012 06:53 Chill wrote: I think this needs to be addressed by tournament organizers in the future. Major tournaments should make it clear that forfeit matches will incur predetermined penalties. Then everyone is completely aware of the pros and cons. Exactly. If people expect the players to act professional, then the tournament organizers must be professional as well. By this I mean clearly delineating rules dealing with situations such as this. Tournaments must address the consequences of a player forfeiting. Many people here are blaming Stephano for only thinking of himself and disrespecting the fans/organizers. The tournament was not a professional one if they did not account for forfeitures, so why should Stephano have to act professional in response. A player's right to forfeit for ANY reason is absolute. They alone can decide whether they are in good enough shape to play. Stephano did not complain about not getting his 2nd place money. He accepted WHATEVER consequences the tournament would've given to him. What if they completely disqualified him? Would he have complained? Unlikely. He couldve have easily left every game of the finals, taken $1350, and left the viewers with a terrible finals series. Instead, he forfeited his spot and let the tournament organizers decide what happens next. The crux of this situation is that Stephano put too much on his plate, as EVERYONE has done in the past. He's likely never put himself in this situation before and he'll likely not do it again. That's the end of it, there's no need for bickering over one mistake. | ||
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Deleted User 61629
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36388 Posts
On January 31 2012 06:54 arQ wrote: Are you serious? You cant be this naive. First of all I dont think I ever have seen TL themselves create a thread about a small little incident like this, and put it at the top of Community News. Why now? Second, the obvious incredible over-publicity of this tiny incident creates nothing but unnecessary drama, and unjustified hate towards Stephano to the point that members of this site now call out for "punishment", "banning from more tournaments", and even racist slurs against his nation. You still think this is a good way to go? This is newsworthy because of the reaction and circumstances surrounding it. It's not a "tiny incident" it's the finals of a 3k community driven barcraft funded event. It's the opposite of a "tiny incident" and if you look at the community reaction you'd see that. Misinformation, aka people speculating what happened and why is what is bad, and this thread is to clarify that so people didn't have to look around to multiple sites and dig through a 200 page LR thread. | ||
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niteReloaded
Croatia5282 Posts
On January 31 2012 06:53 Chill wrote: I think this needs to be addressed by tournament organizers in the future. Major tournaments should make it clear that forfeit matches will incur predetermined penalties. Then everyone is completely aware of the pros and cons. Good post, I agree. Before commenting on that, I wanted to say that I don't like how people are being punished for being honest. Stephano could've drone rushed and he would have won 2nd place. He could've gave his Bnet password to someone and have him drone rush, and he'd STILL have won 2nd place. He could've fallen asleep accidentally and not shown up - still probably 2nd place. But because he was honest, he loses $600. That's the wrong part of it. | ||
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ohmkerg
United States102 Posts
On January 31 2012 07:00 Laurens wrote: if it's 2:45 AM and he has to wait for a 3rd place game, then play a BO7... vs a macro player like Kas that'd take until at least 4 AM >.> I suppose if Kas can stay up for it, so can Stephano, but still.. life, it's just too hard. o_O | ||
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