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FaRess
Tunisia937 Posts
On January 31 2012 06:50 ohmkerg wrote: "wait 45 mins no DQ, if I was late 15 minutes I would be instant DQ no? where is the consistency ;;" the organizer already stated that it was their fault that Illusion had to wait without having any information and that they allowed stephano to take a break, what's your point ? | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On January 31 2012 06:45 Hot_Bid wrote: I don't understand how people can say its hypocrisy that there is no thread about Tyler when if it was anyone else who forfeits first round (literally anyone, doesn't have to be Liquid) we wouldn't make a thread about it. To summarize: 1. Anyone forfeiting first round, no thread, not newsworthy 2. One of the best foreigners forfeiting invitational right before finals, yes thread #1 doesn't matter if it's Liquid, there wouldn't be a thread about Destiny or Flo or Incontrol or anyone else forfeiting first round, this should be obvious to anyone. There is no special treatment for Tyler. I am personally not looking for a thread on Tyler, nor do I think it would be thread worthy, but I think that a statement or simple explanation would be appropriate here. It's a community sponsored tournament, and I am sure there were a lot of people, myself included, who would have liked to see Tyler against Stephano or Rotterdam, and were certainly very disappointed when these games were not played. Thread? Not necessary. But we have heard nothing from Tyler, and I think the community and his fans deserves at least that. | ||
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andis35
Latvia346 Posts
On January 31 2012 06:49 Hot_Bid wrote: Honestly I have no idea why he forfeited, I can't imagine he'd say "I had to go out and kill puppies" or something, I assume it's for some reason, the absolute worst it could be is "I didn't feel like it." You take off your tin foil conspiracy hat now. But Stephano had a reason too, and only because he was deeper in tournament this threat was made? Does not sound reasonable tbh. | ||
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On January 31 2012 06:47 redso wrote: /drama so strange why so many pepole are raging... maybe because he is the best in europe ... Naniwa is the best in Europe. Regardless, if you're going to forfeit before a final, you should probably have a decent reason if you want to avoid drama and hate. Saying you're sleepy is hardly a good excuse. | ||
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Quakie
Norway725 Posts
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Chill
Calgary26004 Posts
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Phobbers
773 Posts
Second, many people in here are complaining that this isn't "thread worthy" and that it wasn't that big of a deal. If I recall, this was an event that was run off VOLUNTEER labor. What right does Stephano to play through the entire tourney, make it the finals, and then shit on it because he is tired? Sounds like a big middle finger to all the people who put in the time to make this a fantastic tourney. I wish ONOG would have just flat out DQed him after his denial to play the finals. Especially considering he sent a "my way or the highway" vibe. Herp derp I am too tired, I give up or we play tomorrow, /log. The sad part, this isn't the first time Stephano has made a flaky decision, I thought he would have picked up better decision making and comprehension after his fiasco with Complexity. I can only hope that he learns from this and matures a tad bit, I hate to see a player of his caliber piss it all away because of attitude problems. | ||
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arQ
1033 Posts
On January 31 2012 05:49 Hot_Bid wrote: The purpose of the thread is to provide information that summarizes a bunch of sources. Do you really feel its more appropriate for users to dig through 200+ pages to find information in a live report thread? Besides, this thread includes information and links that you can't find in the ONOG LR thread anyway. Since when is more information, especially information that is easily accessible, and reporting with actual sources a bad thing? Are you serious? You cant be this naive. First of all I dont think I ever have seen TL themselves create a thread about a small little incident like this, and put it at the top of Community News. Why now? Second, the obvious incredible over-publicity of this tiny incident creates nothing but unnecessary drama, and unjustified hate towards Stephano to the point that members of this site now call out for "punishment", "banning from more tournaments", and even racist slurs against his nation. You still think this is a good way to go? | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On January 31 2012 06:52 Bagration wrote: I am personally not looking for a thread on Tyler, nor do I think it would be thread worthy, but I think that a statement or simple explanation would be appropriate here. It's a community sponsored tournament, and I am sure there were a lot of people, myself included, who would have liked to see Tyler against Stephano or Rotterdam, and were certainly very disappointed when these games were not played. Thread? Not necessary. But we have heard nothing from Tyler, and I think the community and his fans deserves at least that. On January 31 2012 06:53 Quakie wrote: I'm not asking for a thread that make drama about Tyler. Just a simple reason for us that were following him. Yes,I agree it is far from as notable as Stephano forfeitting. if you think it is so important: write in tyler's fan club and ask why. pm tyler. twitter tyler. | ||
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bobsire
Canada296 Posts
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
On January 31 2012 06:24 garbodor wrote: They didn't even have sponsors is the biggest thing about this, imo. Volunteers worked for months to raise the $3,000 prize pool and Stephano shit on them. Volunteers. [Also, I don't understand people that are saying Stephano was tired because he was playing all day. He played 2 bo3s and a bo5 for Scan, and 1 bo5 for ONOG. I play more than that every day.] That is an interesting point, he only played 11 games, with a dinner break in between... It's like playing a 16 man single-elimination tournament with best of 3's (with the maximum number of games that can occur). | ||
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Utaheka
Denmark124 Posts
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sambo400
United States378 Posts
On January 31 2012 06:53 Chill wrote: I think this needs to be addressed by tournament organizers in the future. Major tournaments should make it clear that forfeit matches will incur predetermined penalties. Then everyone is completely aware of the pros and cons. Yes. Or even better, standardize it. In golf, you have a 5 minute leeway. If you aren't at the Tee, 2 shot penalty. If 10 minutes pass, you are DQ and the tournament goes along as planned. And these are the rules at any golf tournament anywhere in the world. | ||
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rabidbot
United States48 Posts
On January 31 2012 06:54 arQ wrote: Are you serious? You cant be this naive. First of all I dont think I ever have seen TL themselves create a thread about a small little incident like this, and put it at the top of Community News. Why now? Second, the obvious incredible over-publicity of this tiny incident creates nothing but unnecessary drama, and unjustified hate towards Stephano to the point that members of this site now call out for "punishment", "banning from more tournaments", and even racist slurs against his nation. You still think this is a good way to go? The reporting of news doesn't dictate how readers react to it. The strong reaction from them pretty much justifies that it should have been posted imo. | ||
Destructicon
4713 Posts
Forfeiting any game, if not done under some very extreme circumstances (life threatening emergency etc), shows a total lack of respect for the fans, the other players and the organizers, and it should always have some harsh consequences. I find it very wrong that people either don't take a tournament seriously because either, its too small, or because the player in question is so big/popular. Rules are rules. When White-Ra was forced to play 10 best of 3 in a row because he was forced to forfeit the games due to the rules of MLG, he didn't complain, he shrug on and made it into championship Sunday at Aneheim. Now that is true character. | ||
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zdfgucker
China594 Posts
On January 31 2012 06:52 andis35 wrote: But Stephano had a reason too, and only because he was deeper in tournament this threat was made? Does not sound reasonable tbh. There's a difference between forfeiting the finals and forfeiting first round. If you can't see that, then stop discussing because we hit a dead end. Especially since that was 100% Stephano's fault for scheduling two tournaments on the same day, delaying this whole tournament first and then embarrassing the casters, Kas and the viewers like that. | ||
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Condor Hero
United States2931 Posts
On January 31 2012 06:53 Chill wrote: I think this needs to be addressed by tournament organizers in the future. Major tournaments should make it clear that forfeit matches will incur predetermined penalties. Then everyone is completely aware of the pros and cons. If the objective of every player that enters is to win the tournament/prize money, then forfeit itself is penalty enough. TBH if it was some random in an earlier part of the tournament nobody would care but because it's a popular player in the finals (or Nani's case) it gets a lot of attention. | ||
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fash_ric
England8 Posts
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Shodanss
Greece245 Posts
This behavior is starting to disgust me, we viewers are supporting players so that they can play and win money, not the other way around. | ||
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