EPTWe Must Fight For The Carrier - Page 57
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AnonymousEmu
Canada70 Posts
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Sting
Serbia76 Posts
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Tel Maethor
United States11 Posts
For all of the ways that the Tempest is supposed to "fix" Protoss lategame, the Carrier should be allowed fill the role with a few tweaks. Phoenixes can already shoot and move at the same time? Why can't Carriers? Extend their range to be the siege units we need. This makes me so angry that they might axe it. There are a lot of people complaining about the Carrier from an iconic standpoint, and that's pretty much just opinion. But it would be shame to lose such an innovative game mechanic because Blizzard can't figure out how to do it right. Axe the Tempest. Long Live the Carrier! | ||
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Powerstrike
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Korlin
Canada142 Posts
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GinDo
3327 Posts
Without Mech Carriers lost its purpose. Not to mention the huge Micro nerf that Blizzard inflicted. The whole TvP Match-Up is balanced on having Bio be the Bread and Butter Terran composition. That's why in Alpha Carriers were removed. The only reason they came back was because of all the community tears, which I feel is very understandable. | ||
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Sumadin
Denmark588 Posts
It was nice to watch after seeing other protosses fail lately. He got the upgrades, clearly planned for it in time and also had the supply to make them. It should be noted that moneystorms and Vortexs also helped. | ||
HelioSeven
United States193 Posts
On July 10 2012 05:15 Korlin wrote: Just needs less build time to put it more on par with other T3 units. Maybe a 80-90 second build time? 120 seconds is just too long to use to re-max or remake. Also if the interceptors were harder to shoot down (evade chance maybe?) that would help also. Carrier is the same as BC (90 seconds) with perfect chrono boosts. Most Protosses have a bunch of pooled chrono in the late-game anyway, I don't really see a problem with it the way it is. On July 10 2012 05:21 GinDo wrote: The Carrier died when Blizzard smashed Terrran TvP Mech into the ground. The only use Carriers had in BW was MoneyMap shinnanigans and TvP. Other then that they were near useless. Without Mech Carriers lost its purpose. Not to mention the huge Micro nerf that Blizzard inflicted. The whole TvP Match-Up is balanced on having Bio be the Bread and Butter Terran composition. That's why in Alpha Carriers were removed. The only reason they came back was because of all the community tears, which I feel is very understandable. This is very true, in many ways, but I think what really bugs me is all the mech buffs that are coming in HotS, which should make mech viable in TvP. Of course, it wouldn't be Blizzard if they didn't remove the carrier at the same time... | ||
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Areon
United States273 Posts
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Swords
6038 Posts
On July 10 2012 10:12 HelioSeven wrote: Carrier is the same as BC (90 seconds) with perfect chrono boosts. Most Protosses have a bunch of pooled chrono in the late-game anyway, I don't really see a problem with it the way it is. This is very true, in many ways, but I think what really bugs me is all the mech buffs that are coming in HotS, which should make mech viable in TvP. Of course, it wouldn't be Blizzard if they didn't remove the carrier at the same time... This is what bugs me about the removal of the carrier. Protoss air will be more viable with more viable Terran mech. However, instead of leaving the carrier in to see how it plays out, they're getting rid of it without giving it a chance. It just seems silly to take a classic unit that was in the first edition of the game (SC2, obviously carriers worked well and were prevalent in SC/BW) out, without trying to fix it once, and once it might well have a role again. | ||
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Black[CAT]
Malaysia2589 Posts
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cpc
Australia126 Posts
Goldfish posted some changes ages ago about how to make it more microable. I think i succeeded at following the instructions but I can't logon to NA to post it because of no patch 1.4.4 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=306311¤tpage=30#586 | ||
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Scrubwave
Poland1786 Posts
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Korlin
Canada142 Posts
On July 10 2012 10:12 HelioSeven wrote: Carrier is the same as BC (90 seconds) with perfect chrono boosts. Most Protosses have a bunch of pooled chrono in the late-game anyway, I don't really see a problem with it the way it is. The carrier should have faster build time with chrono boost than the BC which does not have it. Chrono boost is supposed to be an advantage for the protoss. Saying that the carrier should have the same build time with chrono as the BC without is like saying that probes should have longer build time, or protoss upgrades should take longer. | ||
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Adonminus
Israel543 Posts
Here's replay. You can see the carrier role in all it's beauty here: dps monster, it just does so much damage it kills everything on it's path, however you need to carefully get to that point with decent early game defense. | ||
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HelioSeven
United States193 Posts
On July 12 2012 18:30 Adonminus wrote: I got proof why carriers should be kept. I played a 1200+ master terran and beat him with carriers. Here's replay. You can see the carrier role in all it's beauty here: dps monster, it just does so much damage it kills everything on it's path, however you need to carefully get to that point with decent early game defense. Not to burst your bubble or anything, but that guy did the exact wrong thing against carriers, which is make tons of vikings. Vikings don't have the armor or health to live long against carriers and they are too expensive, if he had simply made a ton of marines and used his starports for medivacs instead you would have gotten shredded to pieces. | ||
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XxVenem94xX
United States41 Posts
On July 12 2012 22:12 HelioSeven wrote: Not to burst your bubble or anything, but that guy did the exact wrong thing against carriers, which is make tons of vikings. Vikings don't have the armor or health to live long against carriers and they are too expensive, if he had simply made a ton of marines and used his starports for medivacs instead you would have gotten shredded to pieces. If we started removing every unit that gets countered by marine/medivac the only units left in the game would be marine/medivac. | ||
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boomudead1
United States186 Posts
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PyroNips
Canada3 Posts
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HelioSeven
United States193 Posts
On July 13 2012 04:50 XxVenem94xX wrote: If we started removing every unit that gets countered by marine/medivac the only units left in the game would be marine/medivac. Haha, while I kind of agree with this, particularly carriers. Their dps is good with the intial volley but without splash marine dps is just too overwhelming with stim and medivacs. Marines have kind of always been the anti-carrier, so you have to use HTs or colo unless Terran mechs. | ||
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