We Must Fight For The Carrier - Page 55

On June 25 2012 18:14 [F_]aths wrote:

The most iconic units are still present.

On June 25 2012 19:25 Rabiator wrote:

Terran
kept units: Marines, Siege Tank, Battlecruiser, Ghost
deleted/replaced units: Medic, Firebat, Vulture, Goliath, Valkyrie, Wraith, Science Vessel

Protoss
kept units: Zealot, Carrier, Observer, High Templar
deleted/replaced units: Dragoon, Reaver, Shuttle, Arbiter, Dark Archon, Scout, (Shield Battery)

Zerg
kept units: Zergling, Hydralisk, Ultralisk, Overlord
deleted/replaced units: Devourer, Guardian, Queen, Lurker, Defiler


"Most iconic still in the game"? That should rather be "most built" since the tier 1 basic units of Marine, Zergling and Zealot are still there, but A LOT of other very iconic units are gone. Defiler, Scouts, Vultures, Science Vessels and more are really as iconic as your basic run-of-the-mill Marine/Zergling/Zealot AND they have special abilities and are higher tier units which are EXCITING due to the fact they are rarer than those mass troopers.

The units we got instead sometimes dont really perform as well and even though the Raven was fun in the TLOwnage, they seem to be pretty much useless from a progamers point of view. Science Vessels were pretty much necessary for Terrans against Zerg (who were less mobile back then).

On June 25 2012 19:25 Rabiator wrote:
"Most iconic still in the game"? That should rather be "most built" since the tier 1 basic units of Marine, Zergling and Zealot are still there, but A LOT of other very iconic units are gone. Defiler, Scouts, Vultures, Science Vessels and more are really as iconic as your basic run-of-the-mill Marine/Zergling/Zealot AND they have special abilities and are higher tier units which are EXCITING due to the fact they are rarer than those mass troopers.

On June 25 2012 19:34 iNfeRnaL wrote:
most iconic units missing are definitely vultures, dragoons and lurkers imo.

On June 25 2012 19:25 Rabiator wrote:

Terran
kept units: Marines, Siege Tank, Battlecruiser, Ghost
deleted/replaced units: Medic, Firebat, Vulture, Goliath, Valkyrie, Wraith, Science Vessel

Protoss
kept units: Zealot, Carrier, Observer, High Templar
deleted/replaced units: Dragoon, Reaver, Shuttle, Arbiter, Dark Archon, Scout, (Shield Battery)

Zerg
kept units: Zergling, Hydralisk, Ultralisk, Overlord
deleted/replaced units: Devourer, Guardian, Queen, Lurker, Defiler


"Most iconic still in the game"? That should rather be "most built" since the tier 1 basic units of Marine, Zergling and Zealot are still there, but A LOT of other very iconic units are gone. Defiler, Scouts, Vultures, Science Vessels and more are really as iconic as your basic run-of-the-mill Marine/Zergling/Zealot AND they have special abilities and are higher tier units which are EXCITING due to the fact they are rarer than those mass troopers.

The units we got instead sometimes dont really perform as well and even though the Raven was fun in the TLOwnage, they seem to be pretty much useless from a progamers point of view. Science Vessels were pretty much necessary for Terrans against Zerg (who were less mobile back then).

On July 05 2012 04:52 Mozzery wrote:
Yeah, the iconic units gone I'd say are dragoons, vultures, and lurkers, MAYBE the wraith because it was the fricking icon for BW.

Reasoning: Raynor drove a vulture a lot, Fenix came back as a dragoon, lurkers because F yeah lurkers

On July 05 2012 06:45 wcr.4fun wrote:
browders has already said, they are inclined to keep the carrier if someone can come with an argument of why they should keep the carrier besides 'it's a cool unit'.

On July 05 2012 06:45 wcr.4fun wrote:
browders has already said, they are inclined to keep the carrier if someone can come with an argument of why they should keep the carrier besides 'it's a cool unit'.

Which role should the carrier fulfill? This is the question we have to answer. If we can, they might change their minds about buffing the carrier and keeping it instead of removing it.

Blizzard is not completely open for reason, we have to answer it on their terms. If we don't, they'll just cover their ears and put the tempest in the game. Even though I think the tempest has a pretty cool model and is a nice concept (not saying it's going to be good or w/e I just like the model with the lightning ball and the fact that it has 22 range is pretty cool in one way).

In my eyes the carrier is good in besieging bases from places unaccessable to ground units. It can be great at putting pressure on a player and forcing the player to attack under not ideal terms or suffer immense damage to bases/units. Right now toss doesn't have such a unit besides collussi, but they get picked off too easily by infestors/corruptors/... if you don't pay attention for one millisecond. Whereas the addition of more airspace (but not ground, I mean cliffs which are unaccessable to ground units) behind expansions and in key center places of the map, could reallly give the carrier a nice besieging role. Pushing the enemy back through constant interceptor fire.

Now all we need is to get some buffs on the carrier so it can fulfill this role decently imo.

If you think the carrier has a different reason please type it out. I listened to the interview of browder and from what I made up from it, this is the only way we can change their mind.

On July 06 2012 04:59 SharkBait wrote:
How am I going to go Skytoss against zerg now? Especially Brood Lord-Infestor? Void Rays? Fungaled. Phoenixes? Fungaled and/or killed by Corruptors. The Tempest? As it is pre-beta, it'll take five years before it does any damage. By that time the rest of my army will be gone and my bases destroyed. At the very least Carriers can siege Brood Lords withought getting fungaled and can be decently protected from Corropters with Void Rays. They just take so damn long to build.

On July 06 2012 08:05 HelioSeven wrote:


Haha, you want a reason? Setting aside all of the late-game PvZ "how do I kill infestor/BL/spine wall?" discussion and some radical new PvP stuff that's neither here nor there in the context of current meta-game, here's the best reason I can give: mech. HotS is going to make mech hugely more viable in TvP (which is excellent, imo, breaks the stale "always bio" nature of current TvP meta-game), and playing Protoss is going to be terrible with no carrier to combat mech. The carrier currently could never be used in PvT, because marines are way too good against them. But the same thing happened in BW when Terrans figured out the dragoons were pretty good against bio, eventually the carrier found use as the anti-mech when meta-game shifted towards mech-heavy play in TvP. I'd write an open letter to Browder detailing exactly how Terran's new HotS units are going to change TvP meta-game and necessitate that the carrier be left in, but it would fall on deaf ears. Blizz and Browder are biased against the carrier, they're not going to let it live. Sucks, but that's the way it is.



Quick tip: building more stargates negates the build time disadvantage. Building more at a time allows you to get sufficient numbers out in time and doesn't adversely affect your economy (carrier income cost is actually incredibly low, because of said build time).

On July 06 2012 08:36 Xiphos wrote:


Lol yeah I don't think you got that part right.