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dangthatsright
Profile Joined July 2011
1158 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-28 17:23:40
May 28 2012 17:23 GMT
#621
Is there any reason a unit, even if it turns out to be worthless for like, winning games, can't just be left in? Unless they intend on adding enough Protoss stargate units to make the carrier's presence a problem (oh god no), I don't see any problems arising, and carriers have their use in entertainment value if nothing else.

* Also, everything else.
-Kira
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
352 Posts
May 28 2012 17:23 GMT
#622
You know there is something wrong with carrier when 100/0 Missle turret has more DPS than 350/250 Carrier with full interceptors...
BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
May 28 2012 17:24 GMT
#623
On May 29 2012 02:18 Orcasgt24 wrote:
Making Carriers is the most sure-fire way to blow a lead in SC2. Why would such a unit be removed? Are we going to take the Hydralisk away from zerg and the Thor(closest terran game losing unit I could think of) away from Terran?
Oh wait we are taking the thor lol....


They're getting rid of the thor, really? Last interview I saw Blizzard was talking about giving it a new role because of the warhound.
Orcasgt24
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada3238 Posts
May 28 2012 17:25 GMT
#624
On May 29 2012 02:24 BlazeFury01 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2012 02:18 Orcasgt24 wrote:
Making Carriers is the most sure-fire way to blow a lead in SC2. Why would such a unit be removed? Are we going to take the Hydralisk away from zerg and the Thor(closest terran game losing unit I could think of) away from Terran?
Oh wait we are taking the thor lol....


They're getting rid of the thor, really? Last interview I saw Blizzard was talking about giving it a new role because of the warhound.

They are making the Thor a one of unit and stripping it of its AA gun. Thats about as close to removed as it gets
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Cuce
Profile Joined March 2011
Turkey1127 Posts
May 28 2012 17:30 GMT
#625
I would say the new goliath is looks much more boring that Thor.

Thor has some very distinct properties. pretty much the only beefy terran ground unit, a very big size, base armor, and ability to dish out insane dmg on anything other than lings and marines. It has a very distint attack animation delay, after moving, or switching from air to ground attack. Being quite slow, it has to be used as a stable mush like siege tanks, but with cute differences. much shorter range effective against what tanks are not and weak against what tanks are good at. being bulkier, in some situations, it can be a very cute buffer.

I mean, we can all call thor a "a move unit" but how many times we saw thor get demolished without doign anything, and how many times we saw them pulling amazing stands when we were sure they will got demoelished.

sure there is something there. some players are just creating these situations were thors really exel at. I see no reason the trade such a unit for a stalker proxy.
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Kamikiri
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1319 Posts
May 28 2012 17:31 GMT
#626
On May 29 2012 02:23 -Kira wrote:
You know there is something wrong with carrier when 100/0 Missle turret has more DPS than 350/250 Carrier with full interceptors...


Is this actually true?
-Kira
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
352 Posts
May 28 2012 17:33 GMT
#627
On May 29 2012 02:31 Kamikiri wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2012 02:23 -Kira wrote:
You know there is something wrong with carrier when 100/0 Missle turret has more DPS than 350/250 Carrier with full interceptors...


Is this actually true?


Yes.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Protoss_Unit_Statistics
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Terran_Unit_Statistics
BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
May 28 2012 17:33 GMT
#628
On May 29 2012 02:25 Orcasgt24 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2012 02:24 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On May 29 2012 02:18 Orcasgt24 wrote:
Making Carriers is the most sure-fire way to blow a lead in SC2. Why would such a unit be removed? Are we going to take the Hydralisk away from zerg and the Thor(closest terran game losing unit I could think of) away from Terran?
Oh wait we are taking the thor lol....


They're getting rid of the thor, really? Last interview I saw Blizzard was talking about giving it a new role because of the warhound.

They are making the Thor a one of unit and stripping it of its AA gun. Thats about as close to removed as it gets


They might buff it though.
shell
Profile Joined October 2010
Portugal2722 Posts
May 28 2012 17:33 GMT
#629
It was very well used today on GSTL slayers/EG vs NHO on entomb valley in Crank(P) vs Freaky (Z)

great game btw, must watch for all you carrier lovers!
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Mozzery
Profile Joined January 2012
United States140 Posts
May 28 2012 17:34 GMT
#630
Long live the Carrier, may Blizzard not remove thee!
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Cuce
Profile Joined March 2011
Turkey1127 Posts
May 28 2012 17:35 GMT
#631
alot of thins has more dps than carrier, to name a few 2 hydralisk, 4 non stim marines, 4 non upgraded lings. with smart targeting most of the time carrier dps drops down quite fast too.
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AwfulPlayer
Profile Joined August 2010
249 Posts
May 28 2012 17:39 GMT
#632
On May 29 2012 02:23 -Kira wrote:
You know there is something wrong with carrier when 100/0 Missle turret has more DPS than 350/250 Carrier with full interceptors...

yeah right, you're comparing a building with a capital ship.
until turrets can shoot air & ground and be relocated or even fly, this comparison is stupid.
-Kira
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
352 Posts
May 28 2012 17:42 GMT
#633
On May 29 2012 02:39 AwfulPlayer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2012 02:23 -Kira wrote:
You know there is something wrong with carrier when 100/0 Missle turret has more DPS than 350/250 Carrier with full interceptors...

yeah right, you're comparing a building with a capital ship.
until turrets can shoot air & ground and be relocated or even fly, this comparison is stupid.


Take a look at above post then.
joebang
Profile Joined December 2010
United States33 Posts
May 28 2012 17:55 GMT
#634
honestly i would be sad to see the carrier gone in hots of i feel like toss has to much variety and units but reguardless take something else out put back the carrier !
Cuce
Profile Joined March 2011
Turkey1127 Posts
May 28 2012 19:48 GMT
#635
I say keep the carriers, and add in dark templar reavers!
how to balance them? just like stalkers!!!
you know how goons lost their upgrades but got blink, but also got more fragile.

I present you BREAVERS! reavers with blink upgrade from support bay! yeah blizz can make them all purple and stuff.
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SarcasmMonster
Profile Joined October 2011
3136 Posts
May 28 2012 20:22 GMT
#636
Blizzard doesn't love you like we do, Carriers
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Wrathsc2
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2025 Posts
May 28 2012 20:26 GMT
#637
die carrier die
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dacimvrl
Profile Joined December 2011
Vatican City State582 Posts
May 28 2012 20:30 GMT
#638
Squirtle used carriers to defeat the mass broodlords and roach army of Stephano yesterday, but they are much too slow and were later struck down by the wrath of the corruptors. Carriers are simply too vulnerable to anything that can shoot air to be effective.
JerKy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)3013 Posts
May 28 2012 20:36 GMT
#639
carriers are just to susceptible to corruptors and vikings imo
perhaps a speed increase to carriers or increased durability would be nice

you COULD get void rays/phoenix to help out, but it still wouldnt be the same type of carrier style seen in BW
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Psychonian
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2322 Posts
May 28 2012 21:50 GMT
#640
On May 29 2012 05:36 JerKy wrote:
carriers are just to susceptible to corruptors and vikings imo
perhaps a speed increase to carriers or increased durability would be nice

you COULD get void rays/phoenix to help out, but it still wouldnt be the same type of carrier style seen in BW


I think a speed upgrade would be nice, or maybe cost being nerfed. Honestly, can someone from blizzard honestly say WHY they are taking the carrier out?
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