EPTPeople need to remember that even though you need to work hard to become a pro and play full-time, you're still playing a game. You shouldn't expect to get rich of it, or even to make good money. You're being paid to do something others are willing to pay to do, the very fact that you actually can make money doing it should be good enough. This is why almost no one above college age plays professionally: They need a proper job with a proper salary.
Golden and Dragon leave SlayerS - Page 29
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
People need to remember that even though you need to work hard to become a pro and play full-time, you're still playing a game. You shouldn't expect to get rich of it, or even to make good money. You're being paid to do something others are willing to pay to do, the very fact that you actually can make money doing it should be good enough. This is why almost no one above college age plays professionally: They need a proper job with a proper salary. | ||
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unijoux
United Kingdom23 Posts
January 16th, 2012, Seoul - We are sad to announce that Dragon and Golden decided to leave our team. Golden, who has been a part of our team since the very beginning, decided to part ways with our team after a long discussion with our management, where he expressed his strong desire to explore his opportunities in a foreign team. Dragon, however, decided to put gaming aside, at least from a professional perspective, in order to fully focus on work. We wish both players the best of luck, and we would like our appreciation towards both for being a part of our teama in 2011. Team SlayerS Personally Dragon leaving SlayerS could be to focuss on work, but when you read on liquidpedia about him getting caught for stream cheating against thestC, and him saying he wont dream about becoming a professional gamer or dream about going to tournaments. This could also have a massive effect on his decision to leave SlayerS. | ||
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CP-Jun
Australia278 Posts
How professional is that? I don't know who is telling the truth but someone quoted you and posted it on PlayXP and Sleep himself commented that it is a wrong information. You see what you have caused now? Whether the information from you was right or wrong, Sleep clearly wants to hide the conversation details that he had with you. | ||
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ShatterZer0
United States1843 Posts
On January 16 2012 16:58 FryktSkyene wrote: In my state it's 7.25 per hour soooo.... 40 hours a week (8 hours a day no weekends) = $290 x that by 4 weeks gets you 1160. And thats without taxes so its much lower. So it's high than min. Wage ^_^ If you get paid less than 14k a year in the US you're technically poverty stricken so you pay basically zero in taxes. 48 hours a week is more reasonable for someone working full time minimum wage... even then it's still just barely over the line. For playing games, making your own hours, be able to travel around the world, and meet with people the world over... Making minimum wage is ungodly awesome... especially if it requires no degrees or apprenticeships. | ||
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snively
United States1159 Posts
I hope this doesn't mean he wont have time to stream being awesome anymore!  | ||
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Auren
United States82 Posts
On January 18 2012 06:41 CP-Jun wrote: To be honest that is some screwed up shit from Fnatic. It seems like Fnatic didn't even try to negotiate at all when Sleep said $1.5k - if you didn't want to have him in the team you could have just said 'No, we are not recruiting new players for now" but instead you write on TL "He asked for $1.5k and we didn't want him because he is not worth that much to us". That is some bad professionalism, I don't know whether in this market people can behave like that but other industries that I have faced I have never seen anyone telling everyone in public. How professional is that? I don't know who is telling the truth but someone quoted you and posted it on PlayXP and Sleep himself commented that it is a wrong information. You see what you have caused now? Whether the information from you was right or wrong, Sleep clearly wants to hide the conversation details that he had with you. What Xeris did is definitely not a common occurrence. He is also no longer a part of fnatic and hasn't been for a while now. This is just information he found out while working for them. In this particular case I don't think you should be directing your ire at fnatic :\ | ||
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CaptainCrush
United States785 Posts
On January 18 2012 06:41 CP-Jun wrote: To be honest that is some screwed up shit from Fnatic. It seems like Fnatic didn't even try to negotiate at all when Sleep said $1.5k - if you didn't want to have him in the team you could have just said 'No, we are not recruiting new players for now" but instead you write on TL "He asked for $1.5k and we didn't want him because he is not worth that much to us". That is some bad professionalism, I don't know whether in this market people can behave like that but other industries that I have faced I have never seen anyone telling everyone in public. How professional is that? I don't know who is telling the truth but someone quoted you and posted it on PlayXP and Sleep himself commented that it is a wrong information. You see what you have caused now? Whether the information from you was right or wrong, Sleep clearly wants to hide the conversation details that he had with you. It could be Fnatic covering their own ass too, maybe they wanted to avoid being involved in some secret bidding war for a specific player | ||
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Auren
United States82 Posts
On January 18 2012 07:05 ShatterZer0 wrote: If you get paid less than 14k a year in the US you're technically poverty stricken so you pay basically zero in taxes. 48 hours a week is more reasonable for someone working full time minimum wage... even then it's still just barely over the line. For playing games, making your own hours, be able to travel around the world, and meet with people the world over... Making minimum wage is ungodly awesome... especially if it requires no degrees or apprenticeships. Every minimum wage job I've ever worked was hell bent on making sure the employees never earned overtime and absolutely hated having to give holiday pay | ||
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desRow
Canada2654 Posts
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iky43210
United States2099 Posts
On January 18 2012 07:05 ShatterZer0 wrote: If you get paid less than 14k a year in the US you're technically poverty stricken so you pay basically zero in taxes. 48 hours a week is more reasonable for someone working full time minimum wage... even then it's still just barely over the line. For playing games, making your own hours, be able to travel around the world, and meet with people the world over... Making minimum wage is ungodly awesome... especially if it requires no degrees or apprenticeships. when you play 10+ hours of games of starcraft everyday, it cease to become a "game" for you. For most pros, the experience you accumulated in starcraft most likely won't help you at all after you retire. That 5-10 void years will be horrible on your resume and make it very hard for you to land any job with potential future prospects. Anyway, for California (48 hours work a week) Minimum wage: $8.00 Annual income: ~$20k Better off getting a minimum wage job than to become a progamer, at least it'll be worth something when you apply to a better job in a few years | ||
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CP-Jun
Australia278 Posts
On January 18 2012 07:56 desRow wrote: I talked with sleep and he doesn't want 1500$ a month it was a misunderstanding with fnatic TT only wants travel See, look what happened to his reputation. So many people now consider him as a greedy gamer who wants to be paid when he didn't even break into Code A.. I personally feel very sorry for Sleep. | ||
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Campitor
36 Posts
On January 18 2012 07:59 iky43210 wrote: when you play 10+ hours of games of starcraft everyday, it cease to become a "game" for you. For most pros, the experience you accumulated in starcraft most likely won't help you at all after you retire. That 5-10 void years will be horrible on your resume and make it very hard for you to land any job with potential future prospects. Anyway, for California (48 hours work a week) Minimum wage: $8.00 Annual income: ~$20k Better off getting a minimum wage job than to become a progamer, at least it'll be worth something when you apply to a better job in a few years Many pro athletes (including the bench warmers) use their time in sports as a spring board to other things. I imagine a programer, if he/she is inclined, can go on to be a game caster, video marketing, game marketing or tester, etc. You can't be so limited in scope that you miss the opportunities that are there. I imagine Slayer, if they are still around, will need people in management that know what to look for and who to recruit. | ||
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Mrvoodoochild1
United States1439 Posts
On January 18 2012 09:03 CP-Jun wrote: See, look what happened to his reputation. So many people now consider him as a greedy gamer who wants to be paid when he didn't even break into Code A.. I personally feel very sorry for Sleep. I don't think people necessarily consider him greedy. I see nothing wrong with asking for what you think you are worth. Also in negotiations it is common place to overprice yourself to counter the low ball the opposition will offer. The issue that was presented in this thread was that it was believed that the prices given for these players were supposed to be kept private and it was not obviously. So now we are talking about it. | ||
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ninjamyst
United States1903 Posts
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JoeAWESOME
Sweden1080 Posts
 You can only guess... It feels like Koreans who join foreigner teams is looking for a short term solution and have this image of foreigner players being wealthy and rich. As Xeris said earlier. 3k per month is something SangHo(Killer) thinks that he can get and he's not worth that much.... On January 18 2012 07:56 desRow wrote: I talked with sleep and he doesn't want 1500$ a month it was a misunderstanding with fnatic TT only wants travel Glad that you could clear that out! | ||
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garlicface
Canada4196 Posts
On January 18 2012 09:56 ninjamyst wrote: Xeris need to man up and make a public apology to the players and to the community... Had to log in just to say this: No. | ||
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Cubu
1171 Posts
On January 18 2012 06:41 CP-Jun wrote: To be honest that is some screwed up shit from Fnatic. It seems like Fnatic didn't even try to negotiate at all when Sleep said $1.5k - if you didn't want to have him in the team you could have just said 'No, we are not recruiting new players for now" but instead you write on TL "He asked for $1.5k and we didn't want him because he is not worth that much to us". That is some bad professionalism, I don't know whether in this market people can behave like that but other industries that I have faced I have never seen anyone telling everyone in public. How professional is that? I don't know who is telling the truth but someone quoted you and posted it on PlayXP and Sleep himself commented that it is a wrong information. You see what you have caused now? Whether the information from you was right or wrong, Sleep clearly wants to hide the conversation details that he had with you. Xeris has been talking shit about the koreans quite alot on TL. I don't know why but he obviously don't like them. | ||
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
He made a smart choice. In a foreigner team he has the potential to be on the front while in Slayers he would not get that much attention. Same with Golden. Overall good news for both | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
I watched Dragon's stream a bit. It was pretty entertaining. | ||
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iSometric
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