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adrenaLinG
Canada676 Posts
On December 31 2011 06:19 Primadog wrote: Alexa is a very poor gauge of viewership trends. Here are some actual numbers. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/cMm4t.jpg) Dreamhack Summer 2011 ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/40ix0.jpg) Dreamhack Winnter 2011 Dreamhack has more than just Starcraft | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On December 31 2011 08:24 adrenaLinG wrote: Dreamhack has more than just Starcraft Ontop of those graphs being completely useless because it doesn't compare how to viewer trends have changed. That is a graph of like one day, what exactly is that good for? | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
Players =\= viewers. Just because people aren't playing as many bnet ladder games doesn't mean that the esports scene is stagnating at all, and just because viewership is increasing, we can't conclude that there will always be a stable ladder player base. | ||
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B.I.G.
3251 Posts
If you really want to make a good estimation about the popularity and the trend, you should include all the sc related forums, all the viewers of all the streams, all the b.net users, and tickets sold to events. Im sorry to be this harsh but if you think that this research can conclude anything about the actual popularity of SC entirely then you didnt do your homework. It's always nice to see someone put effort into their post, but the conclusions you are basing on the available data are only misleading. | ||
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Wren
United States745 Posts
On December 31 2011 08:26 FiWiFaKi wrote: Ontop of those graphs being completely useless because it doesn't compare how to viewer trends have changed. That is a graph of like one day, what exactly is that good for? It shows that there were 5k more people who watched the sc2 winter dreamhack finals than the summer one. | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On December 31 2011 08:24 adrenaLinG wrote: Dreamhack has more than just Starcraft Those were SC2 numbers. Other games had a separate stream except the grand finals of Quake and SF which unfortunately didn't seem very popular. | ||
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Primadog
United States4411 Posts
On December 31 2011 08:26 FiWiFaKi wrote: Ontop of those graphs being completely useless because it doesn't compare how to viewer trends have changed. That is a graph of like one day, what exactly is that good for? To demonstrate viewership growth. The above two graphs compare viewership numbers between Dreamhack Summer and Dreamhack Winter for StarCraft 2 English stream. Dreamhack Winter (Nov 27th) clocked over 90k peak viewership, compared to 60k peak of Dreamhack Summer (Jun 20th).* This invalidates your following argument. If anyone has been here for a while, do you guys remember the HDH Invitational in BETA? It's finals peaked at nearly 30k views if my memory serves right, how about TSL3? Nony vs Strelok in ro32 having 60k+ viewers? These events were not the large scale events we have now, but they attracted a huge audience... Where did all these players go? Events like NASL being way below that, Dreamhack keeping on par with TSL3 numbers, and I'm going to take MLG numbers with a grain of salt because those figures are often exaggerated. Alexa is fundamentally a flawed metric, dependent on people using the Alexa Toolbar to measure traffic. Even if it can be relied on, its numbers does not measure viewership or fanbase in any meaningful matters, and actually counters all other indicators. * Note, Day9tv was a restream of the main Dreamhack Winter stream, the viewership numbers are added for peak concurrent number. | ||
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Hoon
Brazil891 Posts
From time to time, a new game brings a lot of interest to it and then it dies. It happened to WoW, CS, Quake, etc. SC2 had its moment, now it's going down, no doubt about it. It might look cool to say that SC2 will grow immensely and become a real sport, but that is just a dream. Sometime soon a new game will take its place in the competitive scene. | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On December 31 2011 08:33 Wren wrote: It shows that there were 5k more people who watched the sc2 winter dreamhack finals than the summer one. Just remember that Winter had more hype to it. There are some tournaments that utterly failed. Compare IEM anything to IEM NY for example... way lower numbers. GSL numbers went down as well. | ||
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Primadog
United States4411 Posts
On December 31 2011 08:37 FiWiFaKi wrote: Just remember that Winter had more hype to it. There are some tournaments that utterly failed. Compare IEM anything to IEM NY for example... way lower numbers. GSL numbers went down as well. Actually, IEM NY broke a Twitch.tv stream record (due to LoL): http://www.twitchstats.com/lab?type=streams&names=&start=1318531500000&end=1318891500000&cb=multi_obj_chart_cb | ||
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NtroP
United States174 Posts
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syn0r
64 Posts
The data is excellent for giving someone some information to chew on when they are wanting to purchase a website from you, but when it comes to predicting, tracking, analyzing, or anything else (especially with TeamLiquid.net) the only way to get accurate info is to dig into the tracking software actually on the site. As far as search engine visits declining goes, when people find this site they usually don't need to go and start searching again, so they end up becoming repeat visitors (40% bounce rate). As this site gets increased age and authority, the search engine visits will never drop to 0, but may not peak again until another new game comes out and gets more people searching for more content. | ||
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TheSwamp
United States1497 Posts
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All.In
United States214 Posts
One interesting thing is even while I quit playing for almost 8 months I still watched a lot of the tourney streams. I think a big part of me is playing again in hopes of HOTS but honestly I am expecting to be let down really hard. That being said the expansion will bring a lot of people back but it will probably be similar to SC2 WOL with people falling out every season. That's to be expected with every game though. | ||
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[KGS]Slacker
Denmark82 Posts
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LimeNade
United States2125 Posts
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Humanfails
224 Posts
On December 31 2011 06:02 adrenaLinG wrote: Anyone that's been on BNet knows that more than half their friends list doesn't go on anymore since Season 3. This. I've turned my friend list over multiple times, usually with each season start. All the "fad" players are dropping out. | ||
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Schnullerbacke13
Germany1199 Posts
Moderation is sometimes way too ridig. This has lead to a decline of interesting/fun posts. I enjoy reading about a player having found a successful all-in (its interesting metagame wise) or some non-standard strategy (even if it fails i like to elaborate, discuss and understand why). However often some wannabee pros (most often idra'ized hardcore droners) enjoy to walkover read-worthy posts. What stays are real low-level evergreen discussions/questions about basic build orders. So I'd assume people walked away from TL, but not necessary SC2. | ||
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zezamer
Finland5701 Posts
On December 31 2011 09:08 Humanfails wrote: This. I've turned my friend list over multiple times, usually with each season start. All the "fad" players are dropping out. Many of those still follow starcraft. I didn't play on ladder last season, but watched all major tournaments and player streams couple times a week. | ||
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