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In just two weeks the Homestory Cup 4 is kicking off and fragster had the opportunity to have a talk with Geoff ' iNcontroL' Robinsson who seems really motivated for the first big event in Starcraft 2.
The whole interview
Some impressions:
What are your thoughts about the atmosphere of the tournament in general?
iNcontroL: The atmosphere is really exciting for me. It's a big tourney, the prizepool is fantastic and the competition will definitely be top notch but yet it maintains a more relaxed feel which allows the players to play more comfortably. I am really excited for this as I think I (and anyone really) plays better when they are more at ease.
![[image loading]](http://vorschau.fragster.de/de/esport/coverages/homestory-cup/4/artikel/bilder/incontrol-deutsch-1.jpg)
Is there an player at the HSC 4 you really look forward to see or maybe to see again in this smooth atmosphere?
iNcontroL: Naniwa! I have a nice personable relationship with him and in a few instances he asked me about my opinion on one subject or the other so I feel like there is an opportunity for me to work with him on managing his image in SC2. I am not talking about making him into a saint but maybe helping him understand the value in monitoring his behavior or words. Who knows? At least I can try!
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Yeah Geoff! My favorite player always and forever!!
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Gogo InControl!!! You are awesome your gonna be great I'n HSC4 so what would we call you???? Manner coach!!!
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"in 2012 I expect to give people a level of play worth being proud of. Or die trying." Careful Geoff, dying trying is actually a possibility in Starcraft D;
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Interesting! Homestory will be awesome!
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I like confidence, but I think iNcontrol is bordering being delusional. He will not win, and I would actually be surprised if he took a Bo3 series off anyone. Sad, but true.
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gogo Geoff. Hopefully this break he's taking right now will allow him to get his head in the right spot.
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I am not talking about making him into a saint but maybe helping him understand the value in monitoring his behavior or words. - Dr Phil
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GOGO incontrol to take HSC4
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<3 iNc. He seems so well spoken.
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nice decision by Take to invite a diamond player, it will be fun to watch :D
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I think Incontrol has some issues when it comes to evaluating his own abilities. Maybe he can get some tournament results next year but giving Naniwa adivice about PR? I dont know about that...
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GL Incontrol, looking forward to you winning some games.
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On December 26 2011 00:44 Calasmere wrote: I like confidence, but I think iNcontrol is bordering being delusional. He will not win, and I would actually be surprised if he took a Bo3 series off anyone. Sad, but true.
Sad but at least partially true. At this point you can't question his heart but honestly that elite world class level of skill just isn't there.
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What the hell is going on in the backgorund of that pic?
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On December 26 2011 01:01 Niazger wrote: I think Incontrol has some issues when it comes to evaluating his own abilities. Maybe he can get some tournament results next year but giving Naniwa adivice about PR? I dont know about that...
Doesn't the fact that although Incontrol has little results he is one of the most well known players in sc2 speak to his ability for PR? He may not be one of the best players in SC but he is charismatic and well known and great and getting publicity for his sponsors and his team not to mention his stream numbers are always great.
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On December 26 2011 00:44 Calasmere wrote: I like confidence, but I think iNcontrol is bordering being delusional. He will not win, and I would actually be surprised if he took a Bo3 series off anyone. Sad, but true. which competitor goes in a tournament with the attitude of "I probably won't win a bo3"?? What else shoud Inc say? You play/practise to win
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Will be interesting to watch for sure, good luck in Germany!
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Incontrol always sounds like such a weird control freak. o_O
MAYBE I CAN HELP NANIWA MANAGE HIS BEHAVIOUR :D :D :D
oh well, best of luck, we'd better see some results from you in 2012!
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On December 26 2011 01:07 Hoodlum wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 01:01 Niazger wrote: I think Incontrol has some issues when it comes to evaluating his own abilities. Maybe he can get some tournament results next year but giving Naniwa adivice about PR? I dont know about that... Doesn't the fact that although Incontrol has little results he is one of the most well known players in sc2 speak to his ability for PR? He may not be one of the best players in SC but he is charismatic and well known and great and getting publicity for his sponsors and his team not to mention his stream numbers are always great.
Yea if anything, incontrol is the player that knows how to do PR the best
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so exited, gl in the tournament
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he has no business questioning naniwa's PR, if he focused more on practice and less on spreading his opinions like naniwa does, then he might beable to have a chance in this tournement.
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theres people who practice same amounts of time and are not even pros so incontrol should be happy hes making more money than some better players
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Links to the full interview seems to be broken to me, only me having this issue?
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On December 26 2011 01:22 obsidia wrote: he has no business questioning naniwa's PR, if he focused more on practice and less on spreading his opinions like naniwa does, then he might beable to have a chance in this tournement. I think your being kind of rediculous. He is a pro player and I'm sure he practices hard and often with his team. And its not like he approached them for this interview they approached him so he put it out there. Are you seriously gonna say Naniwa has a good sense of pr? Get off his back He is a good player who is in a slump.
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Ah, love that Incontrol's gonna take Naniwa under his wing. The Image Doctor is in! 
Plus, I think Naniwa's a lot more receptive to that kind of thing now than he has been in the past. GL, Geoff, and I hope you have a great 2012, competitively and personally!
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On December 26 2011 01:06 iamperfection wrote: What the hell is going on in the backgorund of that pic?
Seconded, please we're discombobulated.
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Incontrol personal relation with Naniwa. Oh my.
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The pic was taken just outside the team journalism center at MLG Providence, which was one floor above the competition level. One level up from this floor was some sort of Irish folk dance competition for leetle gurls.
Those girls had lots of really big, curly hair.
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On December 26 2011 00:59 TrollingGUY wrote: nice decision by Take to invite a diamond player, it will be fun to watch :D
3/10. Honestly from your name it seems like trolling would be your M.O. but that sucked. Sorry bro.
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(At first I read the thread title as "iNcontrol is taking HSC 4 in his arms" Which I thought was going to be a thread about his buffness/help with muscle gains. Which I am very relieved wasn't the case =3)
I really want iNcontrol to come out of no where, though I'm also feeling like he says this kinda thing often and it's sorta become this awkward thing of "oh um...sure I guess maybe this time". I'm not bringing that up to be all grumpy with him, but because he spoke out about managing Naniwa's personality, which I feel is a bit out of place to say publicly as it indirectly says to Naniwa that he has a problem, which he may not agree with, which could quickly lead to some hurt feelings.
Having your heart in the right place is amazing of iNcontrol, and I don't doubt where things are coming from when he makes statements like that, but I feel like his statement is lacking empathy for Naniwas mentality. Things like that shouldn't have been said public and should have been behind closed doors with Naniwa.
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Incontrol fighting! We're cheering for you.
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On December 26 2011 01:22 obsidia wrote: he has no business questioning naniwa's PR, if he focused more on practice and less on spreading his opinions like naniwa does, then he might beable to have a chance in this tournement.
TIL : SirScoots is not allowed to tell IdrA how to act in games, because SirScoots is not top 5 GrandMaster with 7 major tourney wins.
Thanks for informing up, obsidia.
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hope youe will convince naniwa of your point 
hope incontrol wont drop out 1st round (groupplay again but im afraid chances are good he will :/)
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On December 26 2011 02:16 SafeAsCheese wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 01:22 obsidia wrote: he has no business questioning naniwa's PR, if he focused more on practice and less on spreading his opinions like naniwa does, then he might beable to have a chance in this tournement. TIL : SirScoots is not allowed to tell IdrA how to act in games, because SirScoots is not top 5 GrandMaster with 7 major tourney wins. Thanks for informing up, obsidia.
SirScoots is Idras manager so he can say whatever he wants. Incontrol has nothing to do with Naniwa other than being on friendly terms. Your comparison is lame.
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I really hope he practice his ass off, because he really didnt deserve an invite. There's alot of NA players who have had better achievments in 2011 and are alot more skilled than him. It makes me a bit sad that other (better) NA players had to go trough a qualifier, and Incontrol recieved an invite. However I hope he makes a good showing in HSC4.
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On December 26 2011 01:30 randomKo_Orean wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 01:01 Niazger wrote: I think Incontrol has some issues when it comes to evaluating his own abilities. Maybe he can get some tournament results next year but giving Naniwa adivice about PR? I dont know about that... As much as I dislike incontrol ever since sc2 came out, you have to remember that incontrol was #1 Zerg / #1 player in the United States at one point in SC:BW, a fact you can't discount.
So that made him what... 2000th best in the world? Pretty easy to discount actually.
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On December 26 2011 01:22 obsidia wrote: he has no business questioning naniwa's PR, if he focused more on practice and less on spreading his opinions like naniwa does, then he might beable to have a chance in this tournement.
Naniwa doesn't need help winning tournaments, Naniwa sure does need help with presenting himself in a positive manner.
Guess which one iNcontrol was talking about?
The fact that iNcontrol has such a large fan base and gets invited to all these various tournaments is a pretty good indicator that he does indeed know what he's talking about when it comes to PR.
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On December 26 2011 01:03 nvs. wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 00:44 Calasmere wrote: I like confidence, but I think iNcontrol is bordering being delusional. He will not win, and I would actually be surprised if he took a Bo3 series off anyone. Sad, but true. Sad but at least partially true. At this point you can't question his heart but honestly that elite world class level of skill just isn't there. Inc may not be the top level SC2 player but I don't think you can rule out his potential once he practice hard enough. I mean, he came from a BW background, actually hes one of the few foreign BW players along with Idra, Ret, Artosis, Day9 etc...
I think the reason hes not doing well in SC2 is maybe he doesn't have all the time like he had before to practice. Anyway, best of luck for him in 2012.
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This thread is going to be packed with bitter replys from underskilled diamond players who criticize incontrolls sc2 skill back and forth even tho it has nothing to do with the subject.
Why dont people bash day9 as much as Incontroll? Both of them do shitloads for the community and either are GSL level in skill, wich seems to be peoples main focus when a proplayer does anything at all here.
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On December 26 2011 02:28 Eee wrote: I really hope he practice his ass off, because he really didnt deserve an invite.
Why not?
I mean having iNcontrol there will bring them far more viewers then some random good but unknown North American player; he seems like the perfect invite.
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cool, can't wait to see if incontrol can improve from his 541st position on TLPD or improve his overall 34% win rate. 2012 will be a big year to see if he can ever become a legitimate threat at a tournament.
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/1139_iNcontroL
Good luck in 2012 Geoff! Hopefully he doesn't meet a single terran as he lost his last 17 games of 20 against Terran.
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On December 26 2011 02:36 Liight wrote: This thread is going to be packed with bitter replys from underskilled diamond players who criticize incontrolls sc2 skill back and forth even tho it has nothing to do with the subject.
Why dont people bash day9 as much as Incontroll? Both of them do shitloads for the community and either are GSL level in skill, wich seems to be peoples main focus when a proplayer does anything at all here. Because Day9 isn't being invited into tournaments...? I don't think InControl deserved an invite but he's a passionate guy who's done a lot for the community so obviously hoping for him to do well.
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Yeah incontrol may not be good at starcraft but he's damn funny and a great guy. I'm always willing to watch his games and I root for him no matter what. Homestory is the best kind of venue for a good personality,
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Good luck iNcontroL! The man talks a lot of sense if you take the time to pay attention and don't get sidetracked by some of his classic sound-bites
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Loves iNcontrol - a fuzzy teddy bear! Hope he does well at HSC; good luck Geoff!
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Is there a follow-up interview with that girl in the elf costume or whatever in the background?
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Good luck Geoff Cheering for you as always.
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Nice to see that Incontrol owns a pair of jeans after all :D Never seen him without shorts
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Good luck iNcontrol.. I hope that you'll enjoy your stay here in Germany!
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On December 26 2011 01:30 randomKo_Orean wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 01:01 Niazger wrote: I think Incontrol has some issues when it comes to evaluating his own abilities. Maybe he can get some tournament results next year but giving Naniwa adivice about PR? I dont know about that... As much as I dislike incontrol ever since sc2 came out, you have to remember that incontrol was #1 Zerg / #1 player in the United States at one point in SC:BW, a fact you can't discount. did you follow BW though? or just looking at his past results.because everyone knew his um...'style' back in bw and he even admitted how 'tactical' he was. yes he had success with it and thats great, but it wont translate well to a high caliber of competition because you become a one-trick pony real fast.
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On December 26 2011 02:36 Liight wrote: This thread is going to be packed with bitter replys from underskilled diamond players who criticize incontrolls sc2 skill back and forth even tho it has nothing to do with the subject.
Why dont people bash day9 as much as Incontroll? Both of them do shitloads for the community and either are GSL level in skill, wich seems to be peoples main focus when a proplayer does anything at all here. Mostly because Day9 is a caster, so no one considers him to be a top-tier player. He's self-admittedly not even GM level on NA. Incontrol on the other hand is a progamer, on a legitimate team with sponsors, and he attends tournaments as a competitor. I don't really agree with the amount of hate he gets seeing as the vast majority of NA (and EU) players are just as good (or bad) as he is, but that's the reasoning behind it.
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On December 26 2011 03:00 hmunkey wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 02:36 Liight wrote: This thread is going to be packed with bitter replys from underskilled diamond players who criticize incontrolls sc2 skill back and forth even tho it has nothing to do with the subject.
Why dont people bash day9 as much as Incontroll? Both of them do shitloads for the community and either are GSL level in skill, wich seems to be peoples main focus when a proplayer does anything at all here. Mostly because Day9 is a caster, so no one considers him to be a top-tier player. He's self-admittedly not even GM level on NA. Incontrol on the other hand is a progamer, on a legitimate team with sponsors, and he attends tournaments as a competitor. I don't really agree with the amount of hate he gets seeing as the vast majority of NA (and EU) players are just as good (or bad) as he is, but that's the reasoning behind it. but what about fans of ANY sport criticizing a player who just doesn't hang with everyone else in terms of skill and results? happens all the time and is generally agreed upon to be justified.
just because fans of starcraft cant play at incontrol's level (no shit, hes a progamer) doesn't mean they shouldnt criticise him from a sport standpoint as a poor competitor compared to all other pros...
i feel like inc is at the level of a NA GM semi-pro and needs to stop focusing on just his image and really buckle down and practice, because then he could actually be good (compared to other pros, yes i know hes better than me and 99% in the forum and that is not the point)
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Heart of a champion, courage of a lion. <3 gl buddy, hope to see you kick some nass and take some manes in 2012.
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On December 26 2011 02:28 Eee wrote: I really hope he practice his ass off, because he really didnt deserve an invite. There's alot of NA players who have had better achievments in 2011 and are alot more skilled than him. It makes me a bit sad that other (better) NA players had to go trough a qualifier, and Incontrol recieved an invite. However I hope he makes a good showing in HSC4. Popularity matters. InControl knows how to promote himself, and that counts.
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On December 26 2011 02:37 TheButtonmen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 02:28 Eee wrote: I really hope he practice his ass off, because he really didnt deserve an invite. Why not? I mean having iNcontrol there will bring them far more viewers then some random good but unknown North American player; he seems like the perfect invite. If they were doing it for that reason than its even more stupid. Also personally, i dont believe that he's that popular in Europe (since it will be casted in EU primetime), and most people i know strongly dislike him. So I would say that it would "damage" their viewership more than it helps it (although i think his participation doesnt really have any effect on viewership).
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On December 26 2011 03:04 nath wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 03:00 hmunkey wrote:On December 26 2011 02:36 Liight wrote: This thread is going to be packed with bitter replys from underskilled diamond players who criticize incontrolls sc2 skill back and forth even tho it has nothing to do with the subject.
Why dont people bash day9 as much as Incontroll? Both of them do shitloads for the community and either are GSL level in skill, wich seems to be peoples main focus when a proplayer does anything at all here. Mostly because Day9 is a caster, so no one considers him to be a top-tier player. He's self-admittedly not even GM level on NA. Incontrol on the other hand is a progamer, on a legitimate team with sponsors, and he attends tournaments as a competitor. I don't really agree with the amount of hate he gets seeing as the vast majority of NA (and EU) players are just as good (or bad) as he is, but that's the reasoning behind it. but what about fans of ANY sport criticizing a player who just doesn't hang with everyone else in terms of skill and results? happens all the time and is generally agreed upon to be justified.just because fans of starcraft cant play at incontrol's level (no shit, hes a progamer) doesn't mean they shouldnt criticise him from a sport standpoint as a poor competitor compared to all other pros... i feel like inc is at the level of a NA GM semi-pro and needs to stop focusing on just his image and really buckle down and practice, because then he could actually be good (compared to other pros, yes i know hes better than me and 99% in the forum and that is not the point)
the main discussion forums of SC2 are both heavily moderated, either through popular oppinions only or extremely mannered like TL. Also because of the community support for SC2 and feeling of "intertwining" since it is still a pretty small scene where fan feedback is important it allows evangelists who do a lot of promotion/shows to get really far. Also there is a big lack of an NA tourney scene that most people watch. MLG's are pretty much entirely dominated by a few foreigners and koreans so the stratification in the NA scene is a few at the top and then everyone else.
Basically if NA had a valid regular tournament scene where people could get their names out or play casted it would be different. Currently it is a few sporadic weekend events and the only "regular" tournament (NASL) has fallen pretty far in viewership.
With this type of scene and geoff being featured in most MLG's it does make him a "top exposured" NA player. Basically it's completely logical why he is a "big name" despite abysmal results. The scene really needs to grow about 5x as big and to whole new levels where its to a serious level where there is a big enough foreign talent pool to pick from. Right now in Korea alone they have more "skill" than the rest of the world combined. So it's slim pickings besides a few exceptional players.
The NA SC2 scene really is in infancy right now aside from a select few (including select) so who should have went to HSC instead that would give EG/teams/HSC more exposure? The fans ultimately decide and he has a lot of fans of his play.
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Seriously, I love Tyler, but why didn't he get this amount of shit that iNcontroL is getting for having been invited to Homestory Cup III? Sometimes you people can be really predictable.
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On December 26 2011 03:14 Eee wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 02:37 TheButtonmen wrote:On December 26 2011 02:28 Eee wrote: I really hope he practice his ass off, because he really didnt deserve an invite. Why not? I mean having iNcontrol there will bring them far more viewers then some random good but unknown North American player; he seems like the perfect invite. If they were doing it for that reason than its even more stupid. Also personally, i dont believe that he's that popular in Europe (since it will be casted in EU primetime), and most people i know strongly dislike him. So I would say that it would "damage" their viewership more than it helps it (although i think his participation doesnt really have any effect on viewership).
To say having iNcontrol on your stream will damage your viewership is simply just wrong, like him or not he's one of the most popular players out there and as for if his participation will effect the viewership simply look at how fast this thread is growing compared to others on the front page (on Christmas day too!), how much it' growing compared to other threads linking to old part ones of interviews. iNcontrol brings eyes to whatever he's involved in, this simple part of an interview has already advertised to 6500 people about Homestory cup.
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On December 26 2011 03:28 GrungyMunchy wrote: Seriously, I love Tyler, but why didn't he get this amount of shit that iNcontroL is getting for having been invited to Homestory Cup III? Sometimes you people can be really predictable. because this is thread abour incontrol if there will be thread about tyler he will get shit too. btw atleast tyler isnt trying to cover his lack of skill by being funny and cool guy in every sc2 show possible
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This is TAKES tourney he can invite whoever he wants. Incontrol is to be considered to be one of the weakest there. So what. He can upset the bracket and he's a great addition for the whole atmosphere.
I don't like his playstyle at all and he has to improve a ton BUT I will enjoy his presence, hopefully his casting and all the other stuff around it.
Great addition for a great tournament.
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On December 26 2011 03:59 taitanik wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 03:28 GrungyMunchy wrote: Seriously, I love Tyler, but why didn't he get this amount of shit that iNcontroL is getting for having been invited to Homestory Cup III? Sometimes you people can be really predictable. because this is thread abour incontrol if there will be thread about tyler he will get shit too. btw atleast tyler isnt trying to cover his lack of skill by being funny and cool guy in every sc2 show possible
Wow. This statement is... I don't even know. Are you saying that he is acting as a funny and cool guy on several popular shows to try and cover for his supposed "lack of skill"?
Okay.
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Cool invite great personality and sense of humor which will make HSC4 all the better. Nani's awkward like a rock personality could use lessons from incontrol.
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Nice interview. Good luck Incontrol !
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On December 26 2011 03:59 taitanik wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 03:28 GrungyMunchy wrote: Seriously, I love Tyler, but why didn't he get this amount of shit that iNcontroL is getting for having been invited to Homestory Cup III? Sometimes you people can be really predictable. because this is thread abour incontrol if there will be thread about tyler he will get shit too. btw atleast tyler isnt trying to cover his lack of skill by being funny and cool guy in every sc2 show possible No shit it's about iNcontroL, I'm talking about Homestory Cup III.
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The comments in this thread make me feel like no one actually read the interview ...
Good luck @ HSC4 iNcontrol. I hope you play up to the level you believe you can.
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On December 26 2011 02:40 TheSubtleArt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 02:36 Liight wrote: This thread is going to be packed with bitter replys from underskilled diamond players who criticize incontrolls sc2 skill back and forth even tho it has nothing to do with the subject.
Why dont people bash day9 as much as Incontroll? Both of them do shitloads for the community and either are GSL level in skill, wich seems to be peoples main focus when a proplayer does anything at all here. Because Day9 isn't being invited into tournaments...? I don't think InControl deserved an invite but he's a passionate guy who's done a lot for the community so obviously hoping for him to do well.
Lol, you're a joke. If there's anyone in the SC2 scene that deserves a invite to a tournament like HSC 4, It's incontrol. Perhaps you did not watch HSC 3 and do not know of the atmosphere at these tournaments...??
Also, all of you people trying so hard discounting iNcontroL's passion, dedication, skill level, and motivation to improve, and even questioning his invite, are a special kind of sad.
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Geoff talks a big game, but he can't deliver, and I feel his hype is what is getting people disappointed in him.
Good luck to him though, and nice interview.
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incontrol telling people he understands the value in monitoring his behavior or words. you gotta be kidding me! this is the same guy who, on djwheat's stream in front of 10,000+ viewers after an MLG, simulated anal rape to SeleCT by making a ring with one hand and fisting it with the other.
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A perfect invite to HSC Can't wait for him to sit in that couch and cast with other players. Goodluck in the tourney aswell Geoff!
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On December 26 2011 03:59 taitanik wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 03:28 GrungyMunchy wrote: Seriously, I love Tyler, but why didn't he get this amount of shit that iNcontroL is getting for having been invited to Homestory Cup III? Sometimes you people can be really predictable. because this is thread abour incontrol if there will be thread about tyler he will get shit too. btw atleast tyler isnt trying to cover his lack of skill by being funny and cool guy in every sc2 show possible
I doubt incontrol's humour and behaviour has any correlation to level of skill. People like you are just one of the many who pick out little things to hate about pro players who put themselves out there for the fans.
Btw if results were an indication of "skill" , look at haypro at the MLG championship , taking games off top tier players like MVP and nestea , barely losing the last game in the series to MVP. I think I can say that nobody in the community except those who actually practices with haypro (maybe not even them) thought haypro could take out these players.
Anyway good luck to Incontrol for the HSC , loved the past few ones . Hopefully he'll jump on and cast some games .
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because this is thread abour incontrol if there will be thread about tyler he will get shit too. btw atleast tyler isnt trying to cover his lack of skill by being funny and cool guy in every sc2 show possible
Could you be any more cynical and jealous? Yeah, he's trying extra hard to make jokes and be cool, funny and sometimes witty.
Give me a break, he's being himself and surprise, surprise, he's a lot more likeable than you.
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Too many people are shitting on iNcontrol as if it'll matter
Rofl, the vocal minority sure is vocal. Should do something productive like start a choir before singing the hate on a player.
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On December 26 2011 06:11 kurrysauce wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 03:59 taitanik wrote:On December 26 2011 03:28 GrungyMunchy wrote: Seriously, I love Tyler, but why didn't he get this amount of shit that iNcontroL is getting for having been invited to Homestory Cup III? Sometimes you people can be really predictable. because this is thread abour incontrol if there will be thread about tyler he will get shit too. btw atleast tyler isnt trying to cover his lack of skill by being funny and cool guy in every sc2 show possible I doubt incontrol's humour and behaviour has any correlation to level of skill. People like you are just one of the many who pick out little things to hate about pro players who put themselves out there for the fans. .
you do realise that people "put themselves out there" for their own selfish needs don't you? not saying that it is wrong but try not to be naive and make out incontrol to be some sort of martyr
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On December 26 2011 03:59 taitanik wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 03:28 GrungyMunchy wrote: Seriously, I love Tyler, but why didn't he get this amount of shit that iNcontroL is getting for having been invited to Homestory Cup III? Sometimes you people can be really predictable. btw atleast tyler isnt trying to cover his lack of skill by being funny and cool guy in every sc2 show possible
incontrol is the first person to say he's been under performing
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Dunno what anyone gains trying to put down iNcontrol. Everyone knows his gamestate and instead of being the 30th poster to repeat the same thing, wish him good luck and hope he makes his break out. I don't even know who they're arguing with. If you aren't a fan why do you even care anyways other than to hate.
gl incontrol <3
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On December 26 2011 03:59 taitanik wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 03:28 GrungyMunchy wrote: Seriously, I love Tyler, but why didn't he get this amount of shit that iNcontroL is getting for having been invited to Homestory Cup III? Sometimes you people can be really predictable. because this is thread abour incontrol if there will be thread about tyler he will get shit too. btw atleast tyler isnt trying to cover his lack of skill by being funny and cool guy in every sc2 show possible
Cover his lack of skill?
Seriously, In every interview that i have read about INcontrol, he says that he is disappointed with himself skillwise and resultwise. He is not trying to cover anything!
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On December 26 2011 06:31 Tyrant0 wrote: Dunno what anyone gains trying to put down iNcontrol. Everyone knows his gamestate and instead of being the 30th poster to repeat the same thing, wish him good luck and hope he makes his break out. I don't even know who they're arguing with. If you aren't a fan why do you even care anyways other than to hate.
gl incontrol <3
Or you could not be the 30th poster ignoring the fact that he hasn't done well and instead criticize his inclusion in a tournament filled with better players.
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On December 26 2011 06:44 StyLeD wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 06:31 Tyrant0 wrote: Dunno what anyone gains trying to put down iNcontrol. Everyone knows his gamestate and instead of being the 30th poster to repeat the same thing, wish him good luck and hope he makes his break out. I don't even know who they're arguing with. If you aren't a fan why do you even care anyways other than to hate.
gl incontrol <3 Or you could not be the 30th poster ignoring the fact that he hasn't done well and instead criticize his inclusion in a tournament filled with better players.
I want to watch iNcontrol. If you don't like it, don't watch. Simple.
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On December 26 2011 04:06 Mzh wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 03:59 taitanik wrote:On December 26 2011 03:28 GrungyMunchy wrote: Seriously, I love Tyler, but why didn't he get this amount of shit that iNcontroL is getting for having been invited to Homestory Cup III? Sometimes you people can be really predictable. because this is thread abour incontrol if there will be thread about tyler he will get shit too. btw atleast tyler isnt trying to cover his lack of skill by being funny and cool guy in every sc2 show possible Wow. This statement is... I don't even know. Are you saying that he is acting as a funny and cool guy on several popular shows to try and cover for his supposed "lack of skill"? Okay.
I can understand where he comes from though. The fact is, Incontrol was acting kinda cocky on SotG before he had to face Boxer in an MLG (the first Boxer attended...Anaheim, was it?), saying that Boxer was the easiest Korean by far and that it would probably be a free win. Well, Boxer destroyed him that time and Boxer is now Code S, something that Incontrol could probably never dream of.
I like Incontrol, but only as an eSports personality, not as an SC2 player, and I think people have the right to say so. At this point, the distinction must be made, it would be unfair to bash the personality because he's 0-10 in MLG sets since the beginning of times.
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On December 26 2011 06:52 Tyrant0 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 06:44 StyLeD wrote:On December 26 2011 06:31 Tyrant0 wrote: Dunno what anyone gains trying to put down iNcontrol. Everyone knows his gamestate and instead of being the 30th poster to repeat the same thing, wish him good luck and hope he makes his break out. I don't even know who they're arguing with. If you aren't a fan why do you even care anyways other than to hate.
gl incontrol <3 Or you could not be the 30th poster ignoring the fact that he hasn't done well and instead criticize his inclusion in a tournament filled with better players. I want to watch iNcontrol. If you don't like it, don't watch. Simple.
but he didn't say he doesn't want to watch incontrol...
anyways even though I think incontrol should not have gotten an invite to this tournament(go in qualifiers), i want to wish him the best and good luck
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On December 26 2011 06:52 Tyrant0 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 06:44 StyLeD wrote:On December 26 2011 06:31 Tyrant0 wrote: Dunno what anyone gains trying to put down iNcontrol. Everyone knows his gamestate and instead of being the 30th poster to repeat the same thing, wish him good luck and hope he makes his break out. I don't even know who they're arguing with. If you aren't a fan why do you even care anyways other than to hate.
gl incontrol <3 Or you could not be the 30th poster ignoring the fact that he hasn't done well and instead criticize his inclusion in a tournament filled with better players. I want to watch iNcontrol. If you don't like it, don't watch. Simple.
that is such a weak argument, if we all thought like you no one would have an opinion on anything and nothing would progress or change
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I've never really been incontrol's biggest fan as a player, but this interview is a perfect example of why I think he's such a great (and much needed) personality in the community. He's like the ooposite of Idra, and I need we need both of them for the scene to grow. Drama is needed, but what this guy brings is what a lot of people will love and respect. You got yourself a fan Inc!
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On December 26 2011 06:20 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +because this is thread abour incontrol if there will be thread about tyler he will get shit too. btw atleast tyler isnt trying to cover his lack of skill by being funny and cool guy in every sc2 show possible Could you be any more cynical and jealous? Yeah, he's trying extra hard to make jokes and be cool, funny and sometimes witty. Give me a break, he's being himself and surprise, surprise, he's a lot more likeable than you. how cant i be jealous?im working all month and guy makes much more money than me just by losing every tournament 0-6 and being funny
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Good luck geoff! Hope you have at least a good run, you deserve it.
Id love him to win some massive events next year. The mindless jealousy and hate on this mans back is one of the most upsetting and fucking retarded things within our fucking awesome community.
Sort it out folks.
edit. Oh, iNcontroL HWAIIITING!
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On December 26 2011 01:10 Hardigan wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 00:44 Calasmere wrote: I like confidence, but I think iNcontrol is bordering being delusional. He will not win, and I would actually be surprised if he took a Bo3 series off anyone. Sad, but true. which competitor goes in a tournament with the attitude of "I probably won't win a bo3"?? What else shoud Inc say? You play/practise to win
i think he knows hes not good enough atm. lets be realistic he has been focusing on anything else he can so he doesnt fade away from sc2 all together. there will be many many like him in the months to come it is wise of him to grasp things like casting and community stuff.
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gl in this tourny geoff! I hope this helps you gain some momentum and go strong in 2012
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Inc can play pretty solid, he just hasn't managed it too well in tournaments this year. *shrug* It happens, can only go upwards and I hope it does for him in 2012. As for the Nani comment, if *anyone* knows about PR shitstorms lol..
Good luck man, make it happen!
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HSC is a fun tourney, and I don't know who has brought as much overall fun to the community as Incontrol... maybe I'd disagree with a Code S invite, but not HSC
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I don't feel like Geoff should ever be invited to any tournaments to participate as a player. A caster, personality..fine, but I feel that there are far more qualified players out there just dying to get a chance to prove themselves.
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those can...do. those can't..teach. those who can't do or teach...talk.
good luck incontrol.
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I don't think this interview was very interesting. This is generally the same things he always says (Except the stuff about HSC of course). I think Geoff is hilarious, and REALLY want him to succeed. It would be great for SC2 in general if he does well at HSC.
Basically, he needs to perform. I want him to, but I just don't see the same positives in his play that I see in players like Naniwa.
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On December 26 2011 06:55 ZenithM wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 04:06 Mzh wrote:On December 26 2011 03:59 taitanik wrote:On December 26 2011 03:28 GrungyMunchy wrote: Seriously, I love Tyler, but why didn't he get this amount of shit that iNcontroL is getting for having been invited to Homestory Cup III? Sometimes you people can be really predictable. because this is thread abour incontrol if there will be thread about tyler he will get shit too. btw atleast tyler isnt trying to cover his lack of skill by being funny and cool guy in every sc2 show possible Wow. This statement is... I don't even know. Are you saying that he is acting as a funny and cool guy on several popular shows to try and cover for his supposed "lack of skill"? Okay. I can understand where he comes from though. The fact is, Incontrol was acting kinda cocky on SotG before he had to face Boxer in an MLG (the first Boxer attended...Anaheim, was it?), saying that Boxer was the easiest Korean by far and that it would probably be a free win. Well, Boxer destroyed him that time and Boxer is now Code S, something that Incontrol could probably never dream of. I like Incontrol, but only as an eSports personality, not as an SC2 player, and I think people have the right to say so. At this point, the distinction must be made, it would be unfair to bash the personality because he's 0-10 in MLG sets since the beginning of times.
do you think he should go into every match expecting to lose? of course hes gonna say hes gonna win. then hes gonna damn well try his hardest because hes got a damn good attitude. you should go into every game, whether its against dippty derp or boxer expecting to win or else youre already playing at a disadvantage. i also think youre exaggerating the part about "probably free win". you should go back and listen to what he actually says
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On December 26 2011 06:44 StyLeD wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 06:31 Tyrant0 wrote: Dunno what anyone gains trying to put down iNcontrol. Everyone knows his gamestate and instead of being the 30th poster to repeat the same thing, wish him good luck and hope he makes his break out. I don't even know who they're arguing with. If you aren't a fan why do you even care anyways other than to hate.
gl incontrol <3 Or you could not be the 30th poster ignoring the fact that he hasn't done well and instead criticize his inclusion in a tournament filled with better players. Oh my, god forbid if all 32 players aren't at the exact level of skill, someone could think they're not worthy of a spot in a tournament where players are picked by Take whether people like it or not. I hope you were flinging shit when people like Jimpo or Insolence were invited to HSC3 back in June.
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On December 26 2011 07:01 mememolly wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 06:52 Tyrant0 wrote:On December 26 2011 06:44 StyLeD wrote:On December 26 2011 06:31 Tyrant0 wrote: Dunno what anyone gains trying to put down iNcontrol. Everyone knows his gamestate and instead of being the 30th poster to repeat the same thing, wish him good luck and hope he makes his break out. I don't even know who they're arguing with. If you aren't a fan why do you even care anyways other than to hate.
gl incontrol <3 Or you could not be the 30th poster ignoring the fact that he hasn't done well and instead criticize his inclusion in a tournament filled with better players. I want to watch iNcontrol. If you don't like it, don't watch. Simple. that is such a weak argument, if we all thought like you no one would have an opinion on anything and nothing would progress or change
I have an opinion: I like watching iNcontroL, and if a lot of people will watch HSC4 by tossing an additional invite his way then it sounds pretty logical. Not Take's fault incontrol has haters. Would an invite to Destiny be equally unacceptable? Besides, HSC is more than just a black and white tournament with results.
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On December 26 2011 04:59 Toppp wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 02:40 TheSubtleArt wrote:On December 26 2011 02:36 Liight wrote: This thread is going to be packed with bitter replys from underskilled diamond players who criticize incontrolls sc2 skill back and forth even tho it has nothing to do with the subject.
Why dont people bash day9 as much as Incontroll? Both of them do shitloads for the community and either are GSL level in skill, wich seems to be peoples main focus when a proplayer does anything at all here. Because Day9 isn't being invited into tournaments...? I don't think InControl deserved an invite but he's a passionate guy who's done a lot for the community so obviously hoping for him to do well. Lol, you're a joke. If there's anyone in the SC2 scene that deserves a invite to a tournament like HSC 4, It's incontrol. Perhaps you did not watch HSC 3 and do not know of the atmosphere at these tournaments...?? Also, all of you people trying so hard discounting iNcontroL's passion, dedication, skill level, and motivation to improve, and even questioning his invite, are a special kind of sad. Special kind of sad because....? Can't doubt his passion but you'd be delusional to think Inc's recent results show he's on the same tier as the players he's competing against. IMO there are players more deserving of an invite, that's all. I'm still gonna enjoy the tourney, and if Incontrol proves me dead wrong I'll be happy because he's a great character and brings a lot to the community. I just don't see it happening.
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iNcontroL, best of luck @ HSC4! Although a bit early - Welcome to Europe and enjoy your stay!
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Incontrol + HSC is going to be insanely fun to watch. Looking forward to the tournament.
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I really don't think he should have been invited but good luck in 2012
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On December 26 2011 00:59 TrollingGUY wrote: nice decision by Take to invite a diamond player, it will be fun to watch :D
User was banned for this post. I don't see why he was banned. Incontrol IS diamond/ low master in korea last time I checked.
gl geoff
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On December 26 2011 11:14 ratzp0li wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 00:59 TrollingGUY wrote: nice decision by Take to invite a diamond player, it will be fun to watch :D
User was banned for this post. I don't see why he was banned. Incontrol IS diamond/ low master in korea last time I checked. gl geoff
"TrollingGUY" saying it would be "fun to watch"
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One of the few pro gamers who I would actually want to hang out with. Too bad his level of skill is so far below the others. I don't think he'll do well in the tournament but he will definitely be the coolest person there.
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On December 26 2011 11:14 ratzp0li wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 00:59 TrollingGUY wrote: nice decision by Take to invite a diamond player, it will be fun to watch :D
User was banned for this post. I don't see why he was banned. Incontrol IS diamond/ low master in korea last time I checked. gl geoff You must have watched when he first got his kr account as he is actually high masters on korea and ive seen him play korean gm's as well.
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On December 26 2011 06:55 ZenithM wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 04:06 Mzh wrote:On December 26 2011 03:59 taitanik wrote:On December 26 2011 03:28 GrungyMunchy wrote: Seriously, I love Tyler, but why didn't he get this amount of shit that iNcontroL is getting for having been invited to Homestory Cup III? Sometimes you people can be really predictable. because this is thread abour incontrol if there will be thread about tyler he will get shit too. btw atleast tyler isnt trying to cover his lack of skill by being funny and cool guy in every sc2 show possible Wow. This statement is... I don't even know. Are you saying that he is acting as a funny and cool guy on several popular shows to try and cover for his supposed "lack of skill"? Okay. I can understand where he comes from though. The fact is, Incontrol was acting kinda cocky on SotG before he had to face Boxer in an MLG (the first Boxer attended...Anaheim, was it?), saying that Boxer was the easiest Korean by far and that it would probably be a free win. Well, Boxer destroyed him that time and Boxer is now Code S, something that Incontrol could probably never dream of. I like Incontrol, but only as an eSports personality, not as an SC2 player, and I think people have the right to say so. At this point, the distinction must be made, it would be unfair to bash the personality because he's 0-10 in MLG sets since the beginning of times. You do know most people who predicts Boxer's outcome in MLG thinks he will not get far. Plus, you are are bringing up a game when Boxer had lost games in the GSL. I also think he was out of Code A even.
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I'm not a fan of Incontrol as a player. I prefer to watch strong players with tournament results under their belts. Incontrol is, in my opinion, not a strong player.
BUT
I don't feel my opinion entitles me to openly bash him for his comparative lack of skill. I admire his work ethic and his desire to hang in there with the best of the best. I am aware of all the things that he has done for the foreign SC2 community outside of tournament results.
If he got invited to this tournament, it is because of the accumulation of all the work that he has put in to make himself known in the SC2 community. He will most likely do very poorly in the tournament. I wish him well nonetheless.
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gl in 2012 Geoff, hope next year is better for you in terms of results.
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I don't rate Incontrol at all as a professional player, but inviting him to HSC 4 is a great move, because HSC is about having a fun tournament with a great atmosphere. Inc may not be the best SC2 player, but he's going to be great when it comes to the rest of SC2, which is sitting around in Take's apartment talking about SC2, commentating, and having a laugh with other top level SC2 players.
If it was any other invitational then it might be somewhat disappointing, but a HSC4 invite definitely won't be wasted in Inc.
And if Khaldor makes it, then we will have Inc and Khaldor in a room together, which is what every SC2 fan should be hoping for.
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iNcontroL will destroy everyone in 2012.
for whoever gets the reference
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On December 26 2011 08:03 Disposition1989 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 06:55 ZenithM wrote:On December 26 2011 04:06 Mzh wrote:On December 26 2011 03:59 taitanik wrote:On December 26 2011 03:28 GrungyMunchy wrote: Seriously, I love Tyler, but why didn't he get this amount of shit that iNcontroL is getting for having been invited to Homestory Cup III? Sometimes you people can be really predictable. because this is thread abour incontrol if there will be thread about tyler he will get shit too. btw atleast tyler isnt trying to cover his lack of skill by being funny and cool guy in every sc2 show possible Wow. This statement is... I don't even know. Are you saying that he is acting as a funny and cool guy on several popular shows to try and cover for his supposed "lack of skill"? Okay. I can understand where he comes from though. The fact is, Incontrol was acting kinda cocky on SotG before he had to face Boxer in an MLG (the first Boxer attended...Anaheim, was it?), saying that Boxer was the easiest Korean by far and that it would probably be a free win. Well, Boxer destroyed him that time and Boxer is now Code S, something that Incontrol could probably never dream of. I like Incontrol, but only as an eSports personality, not as an SC2 player, and I think people have the right to say so. At this point, the distinction must be made, it would be unfair to bash the personality because he's 0-10 in MLG sets since the beginning of times. do you think he should go into every match expecting to lose? of course hes gonna say hes gonna win. then hes gonna damn well try his hardest because hes got a damn good attitude. you should go into every game, whether its against dippty derp or boxer expecting to win or else youre already playing at a disadvantage. i also think youre exaggerating the part about "probably free win". you should go back and listen to what he actually says
I think he has the right mindset now. He should never say he's the favorite in a pro-game anymore because it's rarely true, but I think he knows that by now. At the time of Anaheim, he was still believing in being a top player, because of his results at Dallas 2010, where he battled TLO (yeah...TLO) for a 4th place finish, and managed to sneak proxy pylons in the guy's main. I don't think Incontrol honestly expects to win much anymore, but he can say things like "I will try my hardest", no denying that, and I wish him good luck.
A fun fact that I like to point out: Incontrol is a top Liquibet member, and Liquibet includes NASL matches where he played, all 7 of them. All 7 of them were loses, and my guess here is that Incontrol realistically bet himself as the loser in those liquibets. He is aware of the level of skill he's at right now, don't worry, those "I will win" shenanigans are just for show and sportmanship, and it's all good.
Personally I'm glad to have him at HSC4, he should bring a lot of fun commentaries, but don't expect too much gosu Starcraft 2 play out of him.
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Inviting Incontrol for HSC4 was a huge disappointment for me. I was hoping that all invites would go out to good + likeable players
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I do think inControl's inclusion in HomeStory Cup IV is kind of questionable, there are plenty of comparable or better players who didn't get it. I think that image and popularity is certainly important but there should at least be some major consideration for skill as well.
To people looking forward to seeing inControl, that's well and good but it's not like his actual play is mind-blowing or especially creative and he's going there to compete. Ultimately, this is an issue that arrises with heavy invite based tournaments in general.
That said, I love HomeStory Cup and its not like his presence is going to ruin it for me in the slightest.
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good interview but i dont really get why he gets invited to the homestorycup. Hes not good enough as a player and his casting is kinda terrible too. i guess TaKe wants his viewers.
should be the same reason for the destiny invite. cant blame TaKe for that though. Still its kinda sad that bad players get spots in a 32 players tournament where there are so many better players not being invited instead.
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Oh my god this is my opportunity to express my undying hatred of an individual who not only has done nothing to me personally but should I meet him in person would probably be quite friendly! Gosh, I hope he reads this so he can see how much time I spent breaking down statistics showing just how awful of a player he is. And who does this jerk think he is even mentioning the name Naniwa!? This whole tournament is just ruined for me!
God these threads drive me insane sometimes, people never change.
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Pumped to see if incontrol can actually put in the work and show some kind of result in this tourney, I'm always very happy to see hardwork pay off for people and always enjoy the opportunity to laugh at the lazy. GL sir and lets see if you can really stick to your motivation this time!
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I really like incontrol, i hope 2012 can bring some better results, I feel like if he puts in so much time where are the results. We have faith in you man you can do it!
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^o^
He'll finally win something maybe. I hope.
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Incontrol is a fascinating and enigmatic character of the community.
By the way, why is there a camera in the preview picture, but no video of the interview :D ?
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Incontrol needs to show some results soon. I don't think our attitude is helping either.
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On December 26 2011 17:20 Ciraxis wrote: Incontrol is a fascinating and enigmatic character of the community.
By the way, why is there a camera in the preview picture, but no video of the interview :D ?
I was actually wondering this one too... A little odd haha.
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Best of Luck InControl ! Always one of my favourites !
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Thanks for the interview. And good luck to iNcontroL! I'll be cheering for you at HSC!
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GL Geoff, really hope you can pull it off this (next) year mate.
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Your website is ugly and reading the article hurt my eyes. With that out of the way, the article was great and the questions asked are very good. Great piece of work!
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well... i hope he does good cuz it's really odd to me that he was invited. he just seems subpar. if he practice's enough tho... who knows, not impossible.
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On December 26 2011 17:20 Ciraxis wrote:
By the way, why is there a camera in the preview picture, but no video of the interview :D ?
because it isn't a video camera
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Good luck incontrol, will be watching :p.
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On December 26 2011 19:22 mememolly wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 17:20 Ciraxis wrote:
By the way, why is there a camera in the preview picture, but no video of the interview :D ? because it isn't a video camera Check out the mic cable running into the camera. I'm pretty sure it's a digital camera that was being used to record the interview, but they just transcribed it and released it as text for whatever reason.
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On December 26 2011 17:20 Ciraxis wrote: Incontrol is a fascinating and enigmatic character of the community.
By the way, why is there a camera in the preview picture, but no video of the interview :D ?
This one is just a written interview the picture is out of our database, I think we shot it at MLG Providence
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Aww i got so excited for a second. I thought the title said "incontrol taking hsc 4..." =[
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I came here for the Girl in Miniskirt you see at the end of the floor. <3
Oh and nice Interview!
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On December 26 2011 02:28 Eee wrote: I really hope he practice his ass off, because he really didnt deserve an invite. What have you done for the community or for the HSC to tell us who deserves an invitation? I think the HSC stuff knows what is the best for the cup.
Being a viewer who watched every HSC so far (the first one was really small, the second got at least some guests ) I am glad to see Incontrol the fourth one.
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On December 26 2011 00:34 m0s1n0 wrote: iNcontroL: Naniwa! I have a nice personable relationship with him and in a few instances he asked me about my opinion on one subject or the other so I feel like there is an opportunity for me to work with him on managing his image in SC2.
Well we know who EG is going to try and recruit in 2012....
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On December 26 2011 02:29 Figgy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 01:30 randomKo_Orean wrote:On December 26 2011 01:01 Niazger wrote: I think Incontrol has some issues when it comes to evaluating his own abilities. Maybe he can get some tournament results next year but giving Naniwa adivice about PR? I dont know about that... As much as I dislike incontrol ever since sc2 came out, you have to remember that incontrol was #1 Zerg / #1 player in the United States at one point in SC:BW, a fact you can't discount. So that made him what... 2000th best in the world? Pretty easy to discount actually.
But when 3/4 of those players are not playing SC2 it definitely makes a difference. However no matter how good he used to be in BW his play is pretty dire today.
Also he would have been no where near 2000 me thinks. Though humans have great difficulty estimating large quantities :p
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incontrol should focus on anything with esports except for playing the game. he is an iconic figure with stog, nasl season1, TL, and such. but he is not that great at playing.
about time he accepts this fact and focus on things that he is good at. I can see him making a good manager/caster/organizer/host/etc. just not a good player.
maybe he will prove otherwise, but I stopped putting my money on incontrol so many MLGs ago.
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On December 27 2011 08:10 [F_]aths wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 02:28 Eee wrote: I really hope he practice his ass off, because he really didnt deserve an invite. What have you done for the community or for the HSC to tell us who deserves an invitation? I think the HSC stuff knows what is the best for the cup. Being a viewer who watched every HSC so far (the first one was really small, the second got at least some guests  ) I am glad to see Incontrol the fourth one.
What's best for the cup is good players that deserve invites and can perform on a consistent level. InControl getting stomped isn't good for the cup, it's just a waste of an invite.
That being said. Goodluck to InControl. If he can practice and perform on a good level then it wasn't a waste after all but judging from past experience...
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On December 27 2011 08:10 [F_]aths wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 02:28 Eee wrote: I really hope he practice his ass off, because he really didnt deserve an invite. What have you done for the community or for the HSC to tell us who deserves an invitation? I think the HSC stuff knows what is the best for the cup. Being a viewer who watched every HSC so far (the first one was really small, the second got at least some guests  ) I am glad to see Incontrol the fourth one.
I don't think he has to be involved in HSC or have done something massive for the community in order to give his opinion on who deserves an invitation. The, "They know what's best for themselves" argument could effective eliminate the need for any criticism altogether.
Being a viewer who has watched HSC in the past, I am not particularly excited to see incontrol in the fourth one as there are other players I feel may be more deserving. Nonetheless, he's there and it isn't the biggest travesty.
It's just another opinion, it has nothing to do with what the poster you responded to has done for the community.
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Its pretty funny how he thinks he is that good with pr, i mean look at his own image now  anyways gl, but i don't even see him making it out of group stages tbh
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Having an iconic figure participate is always a good thing I think, regardless of skill. Go Inc! Go give them a big upset.
Does anyone have an update on the cosplayer in the background.
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GL Geoff, always rootin' for ya for a huge comeback in 2012. <3
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On December 27 2011 09:19 Ex_Combat wrote:Having an iconic figure participate is always a good thing I think, regardless of skill. Go Inc! Go give them a big upset. Does anyone have an update on the cosplayer in the background.  is it? it may seem like it but then artosis played nasl season 1. how did that turn out again? after his results, everyone was stating how that spot could have went to more deserved. if you can't compete at the level of the tournament, don't play imo. its just a waste of a seat.
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Don't hate the player hate the game lolol but really I'm hoping for a good turn out this year from Geoff!!!
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On December 27 2011 09:25 justsayinbro wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2011 09:19 Ex_Combat wrote:Having an iconic figure participate is always a good thing I think, regardless of skill. Go Inc! Go give them a big upset. Does anyone have an update on the cosplayer in the background.  is it? it may seem like it but then artosis played nasl season 1. how did that turn out again? after his results, everyone was stating how that spot could have went to more deserved. if you can't compete at the level of the tournament, don't play imo. its just a waste of a seat.
I gotta agree that his performance in NASL 1 was kinda sucky but his appearance in the first season of GSL make me erections. I thinking having one or two popular names in there ornaments the whole tourney.
Its kinda like having Boxer in ANYTHING. And plus who knows, I got my fingers crossed that Inc will cause a major upset.
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He should concentrate on everything outside of playing. He is infinitely more skilled at creating a brand through his cult of personality. Playing, not so much.
Good luck regardless in '12.
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On December 27 2011 09:48 Ex_Combat wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2011 09:25 justsayinbro wrote:On December 27 2011 09:19 Ex_Combat wrote:Having an iconic figure participate is always a good thing I think, regardless of skill. Go Inc! Go give them a big upset. Does anyone have an update on the cosplayer in the background.  is it? it may seem like it but then artosis played nasl season 1. how did that turn out again? after his results, everyone was stating how that spot could have went to more deserved. if you can't compete at the level of the tournament, don't play imo. its just a waste of a seat. I gotta agree that his performance in NASL 1 was kinda sucky but his appearance in the first season of GSL make me erections. I thinking having one or two popular names in there ornaments the whole tourney. Its kinda like having Boxer in ANYTHING. And plus who knows, I got my fingers crossed that Inc will cause a major upset.
Boxer is currently Code S and generally performs somewhat respectably in most tournaments he competes in.
It's not exactly comparable.
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On December 26 2011 20:03 AmericanUmlaut wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 19:22 mememolly wrote:On December 26 2011 17:20 Ciraxis wrote:
By the way, why is there a camera in the preview picture, but no video of the interview :D ? because it isn't a video camera Check out the mic cable running into the camera. I'm pretty sure it's a digital camera that was being used to record the interview, but they just transcribed it and released it as text for whatever reason.
The video interview you're looking for hasn't be released. (That's me int he photo) It was an interview for ESPN, I can't confirm whether or not the video will be released anytime soon unfortunately.
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If Incontrol were performing in practice as bad as his results in tournaments have been, he probably would be looking to move to a purely coaching position within EG (something he would be well suited for) or casting job (which he has proven he is good at). I really think that he's just having a bit of trouble at tournaments, but is going to turn it around. Sure his results have been poor recently, but anyone who's been a professional gamer as long as he has must have the dedication to turn that kind of slump around, or they would never have reached that point.
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On December 27 2011 09:54 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2011 09:48 Ex_Combat wrote:On December 27 2011 09:25 justsayinbro wrote:On December 27 2011 09:19 Ex_Combat wrote:Having an iconic figure participate is always a good thing I think, regardless of skill. Go Inc! Go give them a big upset. Does anyone have an update on the cosplayer in the background.  is it? it may seem like it but then artosis played nasl season 1. how did that turn out again? after his results, everyone was stating how that spot could have went to more deserved. if you can't compete at the level of the tournament, don't play imo. its just a waste of a seat. I gotta agree that his performance in NASL 1 was kinda sucky but his appearance in the first season of GSL make me erections. I thinking having one or two popular names in there ornaments the whole tourney. Its kinda like having Boxer in ANYTHING. And plus who knows, I got my fingers crossed that Inc will cause a major upset. Boxer is currently Code S and generally performs somewhat respectably in most tournaments he competes in. It's not exactly comparable.
Except for a while Boxer could barely eclispe the mediocre foreigners and was consistently the lowest placing of nearly every Korean at every event where he didn't get seeded high. Give Geoff the respect he deserves people. He's trying his best. I'd much rather have someone who consistently puts in effort and trys to further the game than someone who's good and just plays to make money and doesn't really give a shit.
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On December 27 2011 13:37 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2011 09:54 Mordiford wrote:On December 27 2011 09:48 Ex_Combat wrote:On December 27 2011 09:25 justsayinbro wrote:On December 27 2011 09:19 Ex_Combat wrote:Having an iconic figure participate is always a good thing I think, regardless of skill. Go Inc! Go give them a big upset. Does anyone have an update on the cosplayer in the background.  is it? it may seem like it but then artosis played nasl season 1. how did that turn out again? after his results, everyone was stating how that spot could have went to more deserved. if you can't compete at the level of the tournament, don't play imo. its just a waste of a seat. I gotta agree that his performance in NASL 1 was kinda sucky but his appearance in the first season of GSL make me erections. I thinking having one or two popular names in there ornaments the whole tourney. Its kinda like having Boxer in ANYTHING. And plus who knows, I got my fingers crossed that Inc will cause a major upset. Boxer is currently Code S and generally performs somewhat respectably in most tournaments he competes in. It's not exactly comparable. Except for a while Boxer could barely eclispe the mediocre foreigners and was consistently the lowest placing of nearly every Korean at every event where he didn't get seeded high. Give Geoff the respect he deserves people. He's trying his best. I'd much rather have someone who consistently puts in effort and trys to further the game than someone who's good and just plays to make money and doesn't really give a shit.
uh boxer did amazing in foreign tournaments. dono what you're smoking.
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On December 27 2011 13:50 akalarry wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2011 13:37 1Eris1 wrote:On December 27 2011 09:54 Mordiford wrote:On December 27 2011 09:48 Ex_Combat wrote:On December 27 2011 09:25 justsayinbro wrote:On December 27 2011 09:19 Ex_Combat wrote:Having an iconic figure participate is always a good thing I think, regardless of skill. Go Inc! Go give them a big upset. Does anyone have an update on the cosplayer in the background.  is it? it may seem like it but then artosis played nasl season 1. how did that turn out again? after his results, everyone was stating how that spot could have went to more deserved. if you can't compete at the level of the tournament, don't play imo. its just a waste of a seat. I gotta agree that his performance in NASL 1 was kinda sucky but his appearance in the first season of GSL make me erections. I thinking having one or two popular names in there ornaments the whole tourney. Its kinda like having Boxer in ANYTHING. And plus who knows, I got my fingers crossed that Inc will cause a major upset. Boxer is currently Code S and generally performs somewhat respectably in most tournaments he competes in. It's not exactly comparable. Except for a while Boxer could barely eclispe the mediocre foreigners and was consistently the lowest placing of nearly every Korean at every event where he didn't get seeded high. Give Geoff the respect he deserves people. He's trying his best. I'd much rather have someone who consistently puts in effort and trys to further the game than someone who's good and just plays to make money and doesn't really give a shit. uh boxer did amazing in foreign tournaments. dono what you're smoking.
You'll have to enlighten me. I only recall him doing well at Anaheim. (Top 4)
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On December 27 2011 09:25 justsayinbro wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2011 09:19 Ex_Combat wrote:Having an iconic figure participate is always a good thing I think, regardless of skill. Go Inc! Go give them a big upset. Does anyone have an update on the cosplayer in the background.  is it? it may seem like it but then artosis played nasl season 1. how did that turn out again? after his results, everyone was stating how that spot could have went to more deserved. if you can't compete at the level of the tournament, don't play imo. its just a waste of a seat. It gave us the artosis pylon.
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On December 27 2011 13:28 toofaraway wrote: If Incontrol were performing in practice as bad as his results in tournaments have been, he probably would be looking to move to a purely coaching position within EG (something he would be well suited for) or casting job (which he has proven he is good at). I really think that he's just having a bit of trouble at tournaments, but is going to turn it around. Sure his results have been poor recently, but anyone who's been a professional gamer as long as he has must have the dedication to turn that kind of slump around, or they would never have reached that point.
I can't help but agree with this. Imagine the pressure of not only being on one of the greatest teams outside Korea, being a relatively good BW foreigner, and slumping, all while knowing that the entire SC community is "pressuring" (for lack of a better word) him to have good results. Everyone wants to see Incontrol (and this applies to Tyler as well) do well in tournaments and know they can, which can't help but add to the pressure when they don't.
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On December 27 2011 08:48 justsayinbro wrote: incontrol should focus on anything with esports except for playing the game. he is an iconic figure with stog, nasl season1, TL, and such. but he is not that great at playing.
about time he accepts this fact and focus on things that he is good at. I can see him making a good manager/caster/organizer/host/etc. just not a good player.
maybe he will prove otherwise, but I stopped putting my money on incontrol so many MLGs ago. That's not for you to say but for him to say. If he enjoys what he's doing who are you to tell him he can't do it and should be doing something else? MYOB. Invitationals are not merit based anyway but based on draw/popularity in addition to some merit. I think inc has the first two covered which is more than enough.
If you want 100% merit based competitions don't watch any tournaments but GSL... wait... they polluted the pool too with IdrA and Sen and other popular invites. Just stop watching SC2.
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I'm really cheering for Geoff, such a great guy who does so much and clearly cares about the game a ton. Gogo incontrol!
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On December 27 2011 09:10 ReachTheSky wrote:Its pretty funny how he thinks he is that good with pr, i mean look at his own image now 
Er, you can say many things about iNcontrol but one this you can say with some certainity is that he's extrememly popular and well known which is even more outstanding due to the fact he didn't get this popularity by winning huge events or being the best.
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How come this is an article instead of a video interview? I see a camera there! Where's the video! :>
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On December 27 2011 13:53 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2011 13:50 akalarry wrote:On December 27 2011 13:37 1Eris1 wrote:On December 27 2011 09:54 Mordiford wrote:On December 27 2011 09:48 Ex_Combat wrote:On December 27 2011 09:25 justsayinbro wrote:On December 27 2011 09:19 Ex_Combat wrote:Having an iconic figure participate is always a good thing I think, regardless of skill. Go Inc! Go give them a big upset. Does anyone have an update on the cosplayer in the background.  is it? it may seem like it but then artosis played nasl season 1. how did that turn out again? after his results, everyone was stating how that spot could have went to more deserved. if you can't compete at the level of the tournament, don't play imo. its just a waste of a seat. I gotta agree that his performance in NASL 1 was kinda sucky but his appearance in the first season of GSL make me erections. I thinking having one or two popular names in there ornaments the whole tourney. Its kinda like having Boxer in ANYTHING. And plus who knows, I got my fingers crossed that Inc will cause a major upset. Boxer is currently Code S and generally performs somewhat respectably in most tournaments he competes in. It's not exactly comparable. Except for a while Boxer could barely eclispe the mediocre foreigners and was consistently the lowest placing of nearly every Korean at every event where he didn't get seeded high. Give Geoff the respect he deserves people. He's trying his best. I'd much rather have someone who consistently puts in effort and trys to further the game than someone who's good and just plays to make money and doesn't really give a shit. uh boxer did amazing in foreign tournaments. dono what you're smoking. You'll have to enlighten me. I only recall him doing well at Anaheim. (Top 4)
Crushed his NASL group, lost to MC at the offline finals. Best placing korean at TSL3 (together with MC) 11. at MLG Orlando and 20. at Providence are the only not that great placings I coudl find. Imo he did really well at foreign events, even during his "slump" @gsl.
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Good luck to Incontrol for 2012, he'll need it  I'd like to see him do well though. He gets more criticism and ridicule than most.
On December 27 2011 16:44 Neelia wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2011 13:53 1Eris1 wrote:On December 27 2011 13:50 akalarry wrote:On December 27 2011 13:37 1Eris1 wrote:On December 27 2011 09:54 Mordiford wrote:On December 27 2011 09:48 Ex_Combat wrote:On December 27 2011 09:25 justsayinbro wrote:On December 27 2011 09:19 Ex_Combat wrote:Having an iconic figure participate is always a good thing I think, regardless of skill. Go Inc! Go give them a big upset. Does anyone have an update on the cosplayer in the background.  is it? it may seem like it but then artosis played nasl season 1. how did that turn out again? after his results, everyone was stating how that spot could have went to more deserved. if you can't compete at the level of the tournament, don't play imo. its just a waste of a seat. I gotta agree that his performance in NASL 1 was kinda sucky but his appearance in the first season of GSL make me erections. I thinking having one or two popular names in there ornaments the whole tourney. Its kinda like having Boxer in ANYTHING. And plus who knows, I got my fingers crossed that Inc will cause a major upset. Boxer is currently Code S and generally performs somewhat respectably in most tournaments he competes in. It's not exactly comparable. Except for a while Boxer could barely eclispe the mediocre foreigners and was consistently the lowest placing of nearly every Korean at every event where he didn't get seeded high. Give Geoff the respect he deserves people. He's trying his best. I'd much rather have someone who consistently puts in effort and trys to further the game than someone who's good and just plays to make money and doesn't really give a shit. uh boxer did amazing in foreign tournaments. dono what you're smoking. You'll have to enlighten me. I only recall him doing well at Anaheim. (Top 4) Crushed his NASL group, lost to MC at the offline finals. Best placing korean at TSL3 (together with MC) 11. at MLG Orlando and 20. at Providence are the only not that great placings I coudl find. Imo he did really well at foreign events, even during his "slump" @gsl.
Yeah BoxeR definitely didn't "barely eclipse mediocre foreigners", he had a great record vs the foreigners, even the best ones. He performed quite well.
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On December 27 2011 15:41 TheButtonmen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2011 09:10 ReachTheSky wrote:Its pretty funny how he thinks he is that good with pr, i mean look at his own image now  Er, you can say many things about iNcontrol but one this you can say with some certainity is that he's extrememly popular and well known which is even more outstanding due to the fact he didn't get this popularity by winning huge events or being the best.
Yeah, people are hating on him for how poor he's done lately as a player, not because he's bad at pr.
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On December 27 2011 15:34 tdt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2011 08:48 justsayinbro wrote: incontrol should focus on anything with esports except for playing the game. he is an iconic figure with stog, nasl season1, TL, and such. but he is not that great at playing.
about time he accepts this fact and focus on things that he is good at. I can see him making a good manager/caster/organizer/host/etc. just not a good player.
maybe he will prove otherwise, but I stopped putting my money on incontrol so many MLGs ago. That's not for you to say but for him to say. If he enjoys what he's doing who are you to tell him he can't do it and should be doing something else? MYOB. Invitationals are not merit based anyway but based on draw/popularity in addition to some merit. I think inc has the first two covered which is more than enough. If you want 100% merit based competitions don't watch any tournaments but GSL... wait... they polluted the pool too with IdrA and Sen and other popular invites. Just stop watching SC2. right I am not telling incontrol to do as I say obviously. I am making a point that he is better at other things than playing. I don't see how you can argue with that.
invitationals are and should be merit based. whenever they invite random people spectators will and have asked questions re their merit. You do realize idra put in time with GSL and quit from code S. that is merit right there. Also sen is known to be the best taiwanese player at sc2.
incontrol? his mlg losing streak just does not cut it.
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On December 28 2011 06:47 justsayinbro wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2011 15:34 tdt wrote:On December 27 2011 08:48 justsayinbro wrote: incontrol should focus on anything with esports except for playing the game. he is an iconic figure with stog, nasl season1, TL, and such. but he is not that great at playing.
about time he accepts this fact and focus on things that he is good at. I can see him making a good manager/caster/organizer/host/etc. just not a good player.
maybe he will prove otherwise, but I stopped putting my money on incontrol so many MLGs ago. That's not for you to say but for him to say. If he enjoys what he's doing who are you to tell him he can't do it and should be doing something else? MYOB. Invitationals are not merit based anyway but based on draw/popularity in addition to some merit. I think inc has the first two covered which is more than enough. If you want 100% merit based competitions don't watch any tournaments but GSL... wait... they polluted the pool too with IdrA and Sen and other popular invites. Just stop watching SC2. right I am not telling incontrol to do as I say obviously. I am making a point that he is better at other things than playing. I don't see how you can argue with that. invitationals are and should be merit based. whenever they invite random people spectators will and have asked questions re their merit. You do realize idra put in time with GSL and quit from code S. that is merit right there. Also sen is known to be the best taiwanese player at sc2. incontrol? his mlg losing streak just does not cut it.
But because they are invitationals they will never be merit-based. They will be based on a mixture of results and popularity.
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