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Kyoudai
15 Posts
The main problem seems to be when i try to go in a stright line to something, i go off on curves, i have constructed a diagram of me attempting to go from the rectangle to the star. I have read threads about mouse accuracy settings, i turned of accelaration and accuracy in windows and my deathadder driver settings are: 1800 DPI (it goes up to 3500), sensitivity is 10, and master sensitivity is 6, same with windows. Thanks for any help. | ||
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shirobu
Australia16 Posts
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prom1se
Canada35 Posts
Also just to be sure, use a mouse pad/make sure your on a good surface (seems silly, but can be an issue with tracking). Plus I am not 100% sure but I know early versions of the Deathadder 3.5g (the 3500 dpi version) had issues with tracking on cloth pads. | ||
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joopajoo
Finland67 Posts
EDIT: Oh and how's your mouse pad? | ||
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gibb
Sweden288 Posts
On December 14 2011 00:41 shirobu wrote: So what is you question? Is it ways to improve mouse accuracy? In terms of settings, on a Deathadder V2 the optimal settings are what you have listed. Make sure mouse hertz is set to 500 and not 1000 though. Why should the hertz be 500? | ||
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Kyoudai
15 Posts
- I use a steal series qck mouse mat. (cloth) - I have spent hours every so often playing full screen mouse accuracy games and im getting nowhere. | ||
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creamyy
United States46 Posts
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Kyoudai
15 Posts
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Sensator
Australia377 Posts
I could only get to level 4 because the game is bad and doesn't register clicks sometimes. If there's one thing I learned from playing FPS' competitively it's that the lower sensitivity the more control you have. A lot of pros also opt for mice like the Intellimouse 3.0 which only offers 450 dpi. | ||
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Saafen
Sweden79 Posts
On December 14 2011 00:49 Kyoudai wrote: - The mouse is very new 2-3 months - I use a steal series qck mouse mat. (cloth) - I have spent hours every so often playing full screen mouse accuracy games and im getting nowhere. Keep practice! | ||
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Reuental
United States457 Posts
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prom1se
Canada35 Posts
On December 14 2011 00:54 Kyoudai wrote: I went from 3500 dpi to 1800 a while back and it made no difference to my weired curves Unless your really that bad, I don't think it will have much of an effect, not to mention WMO and Logitech mini optical are really good mice to be honest. @OP I honestly think at this point you should think of trying to return it (maybe try other mice first to check if its an issue with the case). | ||
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enCore-
98 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20318 Posts
On December 14 2011 01:11 enCore- wrote: You have to set DPI and hz to maximum, acceleration to minimum and then reconfigure the actual mouse speed in the starcraft 2 settings. Should be obvious that this way you get maximum precision. I play on 5600DPI and 1000hz just fine, the only limiting factor is my hand. Bad advice, set sc2 to 51-54% sensitivity with acceleration disabled and change DPI for "sensitivity" if you want pixel perfect tracking. To OP, the most likely cause of your "curves" i think is the way you control the mouse, when moving, make sure your mouse is always pointed DIRECTLY forward and not angled to the left or right, for example when some people move they will hold their wrist in the same place and swing their hand to the right, which would make the mouse face about 45 degrees (diagonally up/right). If you are TURNING the way your mouse faces, instead of just moving it directly up/down/left/right with it always facing the exact same way, you wont be able to draw perfectly straight lines at any angles. Try playing at lower DPI too, i used to play at 3200 myself, but i gradually dropped to 800 for sc2 (and about 3-5 sensitivity in a few FPS engines) but i can reach level 6 on http://www.missionred.com/games/reflexte.html using 400dpi, im sure i could get further if i practiced for a while but i havnt played that or Osu in a few weeks. | ||
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GWBuffalo
United States234 Posts
On December 14 2011 00:49 Kyoudai wrote: - The mouse is very new 2-3 months - I use a steal series qck mouse mat. (cloth) - I have spent hours every so often playing full screen mouse accuracy games and im getting nowhere. I'm assuming the plastic film has been peeled off the bottom of the mouse? I have a death adder, and being the retard that I am, I actually played with that film on the bottom of my mouse for almost 2 months. | ||
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Kyoudai
15 Posts
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Kyoudai
15 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20318 Posts
On December 14 2011 01:46 Kyoudai wrote: The problem really slows me down in sc2 doing things like putting scvs on gas and sometimes building placement, im trying to sort it with allot of practice but didnt seem to work, so im looking at software settings but still getting nowhere http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=94258 A great game for mouse accuracy and speed, try to play songs on difficulty levels you cant finish without lots of practice and then move on to others, helped me unimaginably with control, speed and recovering from unexpected situations almost instantly in starcraft 2. | ||
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kirdie
Germany221 Posts
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GWBuffalo
United States234 Posts
On December 14 2011 03:22 kirdie wrote: How good are you at disc dash arcade? I got over 200k once (but around 100k is normal) and I have a death adder too. I use 900 dpi though and feel very comfortable with that. It always depresses me when people post disc dash scores. I wonder if their machine is slowing the game down or something. Because after playing a million times, I once got 40k and I felt like my wrist was going to break and my head was going to explode. 100k as normal? 200k? wtf, seriously. | ||
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Sik Boy
Bosnia-Herzegovina1 Post
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Eluadyl
Turkey364 Posts
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Zodiac7777
81 Posts
On December 14 2011 03:38 GWBuffalo wrote: It always depresses me when people post disc dash scores. I wonder if their machine is slowing the game down or something. Because after playing a million times, I once got 40k and I felt like my wrist was going to break and my head was going to explode. 100k as normal? 200k? wtf, seriously. Not trying to be mean but what league are you in? Because i think of myself pretty bad at these types of things and i got 116K first try. | ||
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Rob28
Canada705 Posts
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Tiazi
Netherlands761 Posts
now try this for a few hours and come back to me. Im pretty sure you wont be disappointed. using a deathadder here too btw. | ||
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GWBuffalo
United States234 Posts
On December 14 2011 04:36 Zodiac7777 wrote: Not trying to be mean but what league are you in? Because i think of myself pretty bad at these types of things and i got 116K first try. Diamond on both NA and EU, trying hard to break into masters. This is the game we are talking about, right? Because I just don't see how 116K first try is humanly possible. I just don't get it. (even worse, the guy who made this post said he got over a million. what the what???!?!?) I feel like maybe I'm missing something that everyone else is doing. Like I said, seeing people post these scores is just depressing.  | ||
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Manslayer
Chile150 Posts
On December 14 2011 05:10 GWBuffalo wrote: Diamond on both NA and EU, trying hard to break into masters. This is the game we are talking about, right? Because I just don't see how 116K first try is humanly possible. I just don't get it. (even worse, the guy who made this post said he got over a million. what the what???!?!?) I feel like maybe I'm missing something that everyone else is doing. Like I said, seeing people post these scores is just depressing. lol, i just got 98k in my first try OP: Try disabling the sensitivity in the razer control panel and just use the 6/11 of windows, it may be messing the 1:1 ratio lowering your accuracy | ||
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GWBuffalo
United States234 Posts
On December 14 2011 05:26 Manslayer wrote: lol, i just got 98k in my first try  | ||
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Budzlight
United States578 Posts
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MasterKush
United Kingdom568 Posts
On December 14 2011 05:10 GWBuffalo wrote: Diamond on both NA and EU, trying hard to break into masters. This is the game we are talking about, right? Because I just don't see how 116K first try is humanly possible. I just don't get it. (even worse, the guy who made this post said he got over a million. what the what???!?!?) I feel like maybe I'm missing something that everyone else is doing. Like I said, seeing people post these scores is just depressing. Lol, don't worry, I know how you feel... can't get over 30k (on my 6th "try" now) | ||
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1st_Panzer_Div.
United States621 Posts
Apparently I need to work on my mouse skills. And I'm 25th master league atm.Edit: Oh okay, 4th try broke 80k, I think there is a small bit of strategy involved to that game actually. | ||
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Iranon
United States983 Posts
On December 14 2011 03:38 GWBuffalo wrote: It always depresses me when people post disc dash scores. I wonder if their machine is slowing the game down or something. Because after playing a million times, I once got 40k and I felt like my wrist was going to break and my head was going to explode. 100k as normal? 200k? wtf, seriously. I hear you... I'm accurate enough, but not fast. Just tried that game from the link later on in the thread, and in 4 games I was always between 22k and 38k. With other hand dexterity tasks too, I just can't seem to make more than 2 deliberate motions per second. | ||
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shirobu
Australia16 Posts
It should be set to 500 hertz because max settings are not necessarily the best settings. Mouse acceleration/deceleration can occur on maxed settings. Their is a program out called the Mouse Movement Recorder and every time you move your mouse, it will record the movement. It will then display a red bar when acceleration occurs and a green bar when deceleration occurs. Naturally you want to have settings set so that no green or red bars are present. I own a Deathadder V2 and it is optimal on 1800 DPI and 500 hertz. It is basically the same as a Deathadder V1 but they added in settings which the mouse can't operate efficiently at. | ||
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NTTemplar
609 Posts
In this case the posture part is specificly your arms, read up on right angles on elbow and wrist for your grip and also read up on posture like shoulder height and work on reducing tension in the arm. For grip find out what grip you prefer, main three grips are palm, claw and fingertip (fingertip is optimal for SC2 accuracy but far from necessary), all grips got pros and cons, and also each grip needs a different mouse (some mouses work for fingertip+claw, and some for claw+palm, but those mouses are not optimal). Then the most important part of grip, do it right... A good estimate on my part is that half my friends use palm grip, the other half doesn't grip their mouse right (e.g. they use "claw" or "fingertip" but not right so it becomes just a purely bad grip). So find the grip you want to use, get a mouse for that grip, use that grip right, work on reducing tension in the arm, and POSTURE POSTURE POSTURE. | ||
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CatNzHat
United States1599 Posts
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DeltruS
Canada2214 Posts
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perestain
Germany308 Posts
Still this will not be your optimal sensitivity in terms of precision, so you have to actually make an effort to determine which sensitivity is best for you. A good approach is to try and seperate all mouse actions into small micro movements (i.e. selecting individual units from a ball) and broader movements (i.e. boxing all units on screen). Use only your wrist for the small movement, and use the movement of your whole arm for the broader movement. Set the sensitivity as low as possible, just high enough that you can still comfortably travel across the whole screen with one arm swipe. Have a pivot point for your arm movements (elbow) and a pivot point for your wrist movement (heel of the hand) for stability. This should enable you to do fast mouse movements with your arm and precision movements with your wrists. Your new sensitivity will feel awkward at first, because you are not used to it. Patience is the key here. Play games vs the computer until you get used to it. In the long run it will pay off to have that extra precision and control for small micro actions. Its favorable to set your sensitivity through the dps of your mouse so that you can set ingame sensitivity to 51 to 55. This way, the ingame sensitivity will be close to your sensitivity in windows, and you train your mouse movement even when not playing. Disclaimer: Other people might play differently, and I am nowhere near a great player, but with this method my mouse movement feels very intuitive and comfortable and I have a great sense of control overall. | ||
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Marooned
Norway161 Posts
On December 14 2011 00:37 Kyoudai wrote: I have read threads about mouse accuracy settings, i turned of accelaration and accuracy in windows and my deathadder driver settings are: 1800 DPI (it goes up to 3500), sensitivity is 10, and master sensitivity is 6, same with windows. Thanks for any help. I have messed around in sc2 alot to find the optimal settings for me, and I still havent found the perfect setting. I come from an fps background, where I used to play competatively. I was used to having a very low sens. Low sens in general is good for fps, and for that mouse accuracy game, but its not allways the best in starcraft. Right now I use a steelseries xai, or ikari mouse at 1600 dpi. 51% ingame sense and 6 windows. Its a good setting for me where I can split units like marines fast, but still remain pretty accurate. If I try that accuracy game though my score is not nearly as good when on 1600dpi as it is on 800dpi. It might be cause my hands are used to 800dpi and win sens 6, but I feel that having a high sens in general, although it can make you faster, it takes a lot longer time to develop the necessary muscle memory to remain accurate. Just the smallest musclemovements makes your cursour move alot at high sens settings. And establishing "patterns" of movement across your mousepad is much harder cause the movements required to move around are so small. This is a well known fact among fps gamers, where the norm is to stick to a "low" sense, though a few good players use what some would consider an unplayable high sens and still do well with it. Anyway, if I were in your shoes I would try to figure out this on my own, not asking what the perfect sens settings for deathadder or whatever is, cause its different from person to person. Yes, it is important to do precise clicks in starcraft, but its also important to be fast. I wouldnt put to much into that accuracy game when trying to find the perfect sens. | ||
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terriBean
Canada75 Posts
1) Use a good mouse pad, a good mouse pad can help you just as much as a gaming mouse. 2) Disable mouse acceleration. 3) Lower your sensitivity, lower sensitivity means better consistency. You obviously need to strike a balance though between speed and consistency. | ||
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MrTortoise
1388 Posts
dont just play the game ... if you are going for accuracy you should never miss a click even if it means the target fades away before you click it. You should be aiming for the middle and not clicking till you are on it ... even if the target fades away before. If you find its too fine a control for you then lower your sensitivity. Te problem with all this new kit is that it is *horribly* over specced. I was hitting 66% of rails when playing 1v1 q2 with a mouse with a ball whilst adjusting for ping. You have to care about every motion. If you do not have accuracy its because you have been favouring tasks that do not require it or not demanding a high enough level of proficieny for yourself for an extended period of time. I agree with guy about about the mousepad ... a good mousepad makes all the difference. There are many about now - personally i prefer cloth due to the way it wears over time. But really it isn't kit, its you  A little bit of very deliberate conscious effort every day soon adds up.You can learn the entire fretboard of a guitar in 7 days just learn 1 position of the major scale a day. I also literally mean someone who has just picked up the guitar for the first time. But you need to put in several hours a day. | ||
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GildedAdonis
United States70 Posts
Get good. You'll improve. | ||
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + With a horrible dell mouse and no mousepad / familiar mouse settings at a school computer. | ||
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CounterOrder
Canada457 Posts
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bluQ
Germany1724 Posts
On December 14 2011 03:38 GWBuffalo wrote: It always depresses me when people post disc dash scores. I wonder if their machine is slowing the game down or something. Because after playing a million times, I once got 40k and I felt like my wrist was going to break and my head was going to explode. 100k as normal? 200k? wtf, seriously. ![[image loading]](http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/804/discdash.jpg/) Uploaded with ImageShack.us First time playing this game and playing it halfassed. (edit: btw using an i7 2600k ... so no: my system is not slowing it down the slightest bit )I really think most people use their mouse in the wrong way. Herp derp using mouse wrong? Yes. If you have a kinda high sense/dpi/whatever you should only hold your mouse very lightly. If you have a slow sense you need to have a kinda hard grip on your mouse. I can only advice anyone with bad mouse movement to just set their mouse to some standard values (said multiple times 1800 dpi, 6/11) and practice with games like Osu(be aware that there are many bad written "songs" out there, the pattern doesnt align to the beat), QuakeLive or maybe even this DiscDash. Most of us have a lot of practice in either FPS or RTS which kinda makes it easy to split and micro in SC2. For me i played several years competitivly as a sniper in DoD so my strafe-click is kinda good but there for I have problems with steering against recoil and stuff. But my overall mouse precision got improved by years of playing FPS. 2nd edit: this reflex.te is very badly coded, clicks arent regonized correctly and stuff. | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13389 Posts
On January 28 2012 01:27 bluQ wrote: Uploaded with ImageShack.us First time playing this game and playing it halfassed. (edit: btw using an i7 2600k ... so no: my system is not slowing it down the slightest bit )I really think most people use their mouse in the wrong way. Herp derp using mouse wrong? Yes. If you have a kinda high sense/dpi/whatever you should only hold your mouse very lightly. If you have a slow sense you need to have a kinda hard grip on your mouse. I can only advice anyone with bad mouse movement to just set their mouse to some standard values (said multiple times 1800 dpi, 6/11) and practice with games like Osu(be aware that there are many bad written "songs" out there, the pattern doesnt align to the beat), QuakeLive or maybe even this DiscDash. Most of us have a lot of practice in either FPS or RTS which kinda makes it easy to split and micro in SC2. For me i played several years competitivly as a sniper in DoD so my strafe-click is kinda good but there for I have problems with steering against recoil and stuff. But my overall mouse precision got improved by years of playing FPS. 2nd edit: this reflex.te is very badly coded, clicks arent regonized correctly and stuff. Yeah I just got 87K so its not the hardest game out there Im surprised you only get 40K O.O | ||
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IPS.Blue
Germany309 Posts
On January 28 2012 01:27 bluQ wrote: I can only advice ... practice with games like Osu(be aware that there are many bad written "songs" out there, the pattern doesnt align to the beat), QuakeLive or maybe even this DiscDash ... I disagree. Not that it's not good to play mouse speed practice games in order to improve ones mouse movement ability. But the games you mentioned are all suboptimal. For instance this Disc Dash: it's only a good game, if you're kind of slow. Above a certain level you can play this game indefinitely and get bored to death (I stopped playing with over a million and not one escaped target). + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://h9.abload.de/img/discdaships.blueumx3k.png) I watched some videos of Osu and I don't get how that is supposed to help. Isn't it mainly rythm training? QuakeLive also doesn't sound like a good idea - how about SC 2 itself instead? Good mouse speed practice games: Reflex.TE (not the other Reflex versions) on missionred.com Exact Aiming on aim400kg.ru/en (comes in different variations) | ||
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wunsun
Canada622 Posts
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Danzo
2820 Posts
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Pwere
Canada1556 Posts
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AKomrade
United States582 Posts
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Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo
Germany2959 Posts
My tip, something I did wrong for the longest time: Try to move your mouse directly to the target with one single motion. Sounds damn obviousl, but I was (for my entire life) actually always making one rather rough estimated motion, followed by a second one that would then cross the gap between my first and the actualy target location. It's just something I did and.. well if you do it for over 10 years you won't suddenly switch for no reason^^ Slightly off topic: Does someone know a nice 10 Finger Typing game or program? I've found some which were rather weak or for complete beginners only. I've heard of old games like Typing of the Dead but something up to date would be really nice. Though I've given up, as I just cannot find anything. | ||
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HQuality
2682 Posts
![[image loading]](http://s017.radikal.ru/i433/1202/f7/0fd8a4f31e3b.jpg) Optimal setting on BE is the same as in v2 (and v1) | ||
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Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo
Germany2959 Posts
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IPS.Blue
Germany309 Posts
On February 23 2012 08:32 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote: ... My tip, something I did wrong for the longest time: Try to move your mouse directly to the target with one single motion. Sounds damn obviousl ... So simple, but so true Just force yourself to click precise - starting now!If you have room for one more change: don't spam 10 right clicks, when one would suffice. You don't shoot targets in Reflex ten times, do you? | ||
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themask4f
138 Posts
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IPS.Blue
Germany309 Posts
On February 23 2012 09:54 themask4f wrote: I did 200k is that good? Basically: if Disc Dash ends, because you missed too much targets, you have got quite some room for improvement. | ||
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Fetchystick
United States43 Posts
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