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SoylentCreep
Profile Joined September 2010
Korea (South)176 Posts
December 13 2011 15:45 GMT
#381
On December 14 2011 00:37 Russano wrote:
My point is that when you take the end result of winning or losing out of the equation, whether or not ANY strategy actually wins you a match becomes irrelevant. So a probe rush for the lulz becomes just as acceptable as a MS rush for the lulz. Why should the length of the actual execution be important?

This "incident" only matters in the scope of E-sports because people are throwing a bitch fit over a nonincident. It's like when Republicans went ape shit over Michelle Obama over telling kids that they should eat healthy, which is *gasp* what is really one of her jobs. It's not Naniwas job to do things for the sake of a vague notion of "E-sports". If you don't want to be a fan of him because of this, go right ahead, that's not what he is playing for.


It's not the length of the execution but rather the possibility percentage of winning, which equals 0% with a probe rush.
As i don't care for US politics i dont get your analogy there...sry.
The thing is that I'm actually a fan of Naniwa and that is why I'm so pissed at his actions. Why don't just own the shit out of Nestea like in Providence and show that he can repeatedly (as in more than twice) beat him? Especially after he told him: "don't be so angry and relax" at the press conference.
Russano
Profile Joined November 2010
United States425 Posts
December 13 2011 15:45 GMT
#382
That's completely your opinion. What a progamer plays for is different for everyone. Your opinon is different then Naniwas on the topic of "what am I playing for". Just because you would do something differently to help E-sports, doesn't mean Naniwa is required to do the same.
Eviscerador
Profile Joined October 2011
Spain286 Posts
December 13 2011 15:45 GMT
#383
On December 14 2011 00:40 Quagmire wrote:
this is pro gaming the highest level, with Alot of ppl watching, u imaging tuning in to a ufc fight and one of the fighters just walks in with his hands down and put his chin out to be knocked out just because he knows he wont win, or a football team all just sit down on the pitch because they cant quailfy even if they win....

This happens a lot actually, so why not in SC2? Haven't you seen some big team playing with all the reserves against an average one just because they have a big match the next week? And don't get me started with any fighting shows, which are some of the most bribed sports in the world.
A victorious warrior wins first, then goes to war. A defeated warrior goes to war and then seeks to win.
BlindSight754
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada156 Posts
December 13 2011 15:46 GMT
#384
This is so silly. If he cannon rushed which is exactly the same thing as a probe rush except with a tiny tiny bit more effort people would be like "meh".

Whats making people not like Naniwa is because he didn't give them a game to go, "OH HE LOST THAT GAME THEREFORE NESTEA IS INFINITELY BETTER". Which is the other overblown reaction this community would have. Geez.
Nakama
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany584 Posts
December 13 2011 15:46 GMT
#385
On December 14 2011 00:36 Gowerly wrote:
How would you regulate something like this?
You must build at least 1 zealot/marine/zergling before typing GG?
It's just a waste of time. You can't make someone excited about a game. Sure, you can go through the mechanics in your mind, but if you don't care whether you're going to win, you're not going to play well.


There is no need for a rule. U cant make a rule for everything and u can abuse every rule to some extend thats the nature of all rules.
The problem me and most other ppl complaining about Naniwa is exactly what u wrote . He DIDNT CARE if he is going to win or not only because the tournament was already over for him. He didnt´t care about anything or anyone else, epecially not about those ppl making it possible for him to be where he is now.
rblstr
Profile Joined February 2011
Ireland398 Posts
December 13 2011 15:46 GMT
#386
Oh please, you think GOM care about that game?
Did they lose any money from Nani throwing the game?

No.
Get over it.
Its not a big deal, just be happy you saw Leenok, Polt and MMA show incredible games.
scatmango2
Profile Joined November 2010
United States408 Posts
December 13 2011 15:46 GMT
#387
All these fucking Koreans crying like it's the end of the world need to grow the fuck up man...Naniwa can do whatever the FUCK he wants to do is not obligated to do anything.
Russano
Profile Joined November 2010
United States425 Posts
December 13 2011 15:47 GMT
#388
On December 14 2011 00:45 SoylentCreep wrote:


It's not the length of the execution but rather the possibility percentage of winning, which equals 0% with a probe rush.
As i don't care for US politics i dont get your analogy there...sry.
The thing is that I'm actually a fan of Naniwa and that is why I'm so pissed at his actions. Why don't just own the shit out of Nestea like in Providence and show that he can repeatedly (as in more than twice) beat him? Especially after he told him: "don't be so angry and relax" at the press conference.



Winning or losing the match became irrelevant. Which is why 0 percent chances become viable. When the objective is not to win or lose but to entertain, then the only thing that matters is how entertaining it was, not whether it won him the game.

Nothingtosay
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States875 Posts
December 13 2011 15:48 GMT
#389
I feel bad for Quantic gaming more than anyone else.
[QUOTE][B]On October 16 2011 13:00 Anihc wrote:[/B] No, you're the one who's wrong. Nothingtosay got it right.[/QUOTE]:3
dartoo
Profile Joined May 2010
India2889 Posts
December 13 2011 15:49 GMT
#390
Initialiaay I was thinking, okay what is so bad about this. But then on further thoughts, it is actually wrong to do this. Imagine if this happens in a real sports event, where you throw a game because it has no benefit for you? That would never go down well if they were sa, Manu fans, who have spent a lot of money and time travelling just to see this.

I hope he realizes his mistake,but by this time, he doesnt have too many extra lives left.
SoylentCreep
Profile Joined September 2010
Korea (South)176 Posts
December 13 2011 15:49 GMT
#391
On December 14 2011 00:47 Russano wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 00:45 SoylentCreep wrote:


It's not the length of the execution but rather the possibility percentage of winning, which equals 0% with a probe rush.
As i don't care for US politics i dont get your analogy there...sry.
The thing is that I'm actually a fan of Naniwa and that is why I'm so pissed at his actions. Why don't just own the shit out of Nestea like in Providence and show that he can repeatedly (as in more than twice) beat him? Especially after he told him: "don't be so angry and relax" at the press conference.



Winning or losing the match became irrelevant. Which is why 0 percent chances become viable. When the objective is not to win or lose but to entertain, then the only thing that matters is how entertaining it was, not whether it won him the game.



Well, then we agree to disagree. No problem. I respect your opinion.
MildSeven
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada311 Posts
December 13 2011 15:49 GMT
#392
On December 14 2011 00:46 scatmango2 wrote:
All these fucking Koreans crying like it's the end of the world need to grow the fuck up man...Naniwa can do whatever the FUCK he wants to do is not obligated to do anything.

it's easy to say obligations don't exist only when you come from a spoiled family with poor education on integrity and professionalism.
Alpino
Profile Joined June 2011
Brazil4390 Posts
December 13 2011 15:50 GMT
#393
On December 14 2011 00:46 Nakama wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 00:36 Gowerly wrote:
How would you regulate something like this?
You must build at least 1 zealot/marine/zergling before typing GG?
It's just a waste of time. You can't make someone excited about a game. Sure, you can go through the mechanics in your mind, but if you don't care whether you're going to win, you're not going to play well.


There is no need for a rule. U cant make a rule for everything and u can abuse every rule to some extend thats the nature of all rules.
The problem me and most other ppl complaining about Naniwa is exactly what u wrote . He DIDNT CARE if he is going to win or not only because the tournament was already over for him. He didnt´t care about anything or anyone else, epecially not about those ppl making it possible for him to be where he is now.


Why does he have to care? He never said he cares. And fyi, if he didn't care he wouldn't give so many interviews. Gosh I really hate this world where you can't ACT OUT OF EMOTION/SPITE anymore. No everybody has to be fucking Jesus No-personality Christ.
20/11/2015 - never forget EE's Ember
Russano
Profile Joined November 2010
United States425 Posts
December 13 2011 15:53 GMT
#394
On December 14 2011 00:49 dartoo wrote:
Initialiaay I was thinking, okay what is so bad about this. But then on further thoughts, it is actually wrong to do this. Imagine if this happens in a real sports event, where you throw a game because it has no benefit for you? That would never go down well if they were sa, Manu fans, who have spent a lot of money and time travelling just to see this.

I hope he realizes his mistake,but by this time, he doesnt have too many extra lives left.


Half-assed performances happen all the time in regular sports. People need to quit bringing this argument up, it's already been shot down.

THe major difference between other sports and this one, is the fact that it can end in a minute compared to 90.
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
December 13 2011 15:53 GMT
#395
On December 13 2011 22:46 Salteador Neo wrote:
Most asian cultures are always super polite about everything so it's not really a surprise.


Polite in some ways, rude in others, like his housemates not taking practice games against him seriously
blae000
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway1640 Posts
December 13 2011 15:53 GMT
#396
Very fast!! ... wow

"Greg Fields is an angel compared to Naniwa"

What a priceless comment! XD
Liquid
Alacast
Profile Joined December 2011
United States205 Posts
December 13 2011 15:53 GMT
#397
How can anyone logically pretend that game was worthless? Is it that hard to grasp that the Blizzard cup is nearly 99% publicity-oriented as a way to recap the year and get people excited for 2012? Fans got to see their absolute favorite players face off head to head in the group stage and Nani disrespected his team, his fans, his sponsors, the tourney organizers, and esports as a whole by being incapable of giving a damn about anyone but himself. He didn't get to where he was alone, and I'm blown away that anyone could be so arrogant as to feel justified in ignoring everyone's expectations of him.

If you don't want to entertain people, find a new job.
Let us not rail about justice as long as we have arms and the freedom to use them. -Frank Herbert
MayorITC
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Korea (South)798 Posts
December 13 2011 15:53 GMT
#398
On December 14 2011 00:46 rblstr wrote:
Oh please, you think GOM care about that game?
Did they lose any money from Nani throwing the game?

No.
Get over it.
Its not a big deal, just be happy you saw Leenok, Polt and MMA show incredible games.


Actually they have. I've paid for every GOM tournament, but I don't think I'll be paying for anymore tournaments that involve Naniwa.
Russano
Profile Joined November 2010
United States425 Posts
December 13 2011 15:54 GMT
#399
On December 14 2011 00:50 Alpino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 00:46 Nakama wrote:
On December 14 2011 00:36 Gowerly wrote:
How would you regulate something like this?
You must build at least 1 zealot/marine/zergling before typing GG?
It's just a waste of time. You can't make someone excited about a game. Sure, you can go through the mechanics in your mind, but if you don't care whether you're going to win, you're not going to play well.


There is no need for a rule. U cant make a rule for everything and u can abuse every rule to some extend thats the nature of all rules.
The problem me and most other ppl complaining about Naniwa is exactly what u wrote . He DIDNT CARE if he is going to win or not only because the tournament was already over for him. He didnt´t care about anything or anyone else, epecially not about those ppl making it possible for him to be where he is now.


Why does he have to care? He never said he cares. And fyi, if he didn't care he wouldn't give so many interviews. Gosh I really hate this world where you can't ACT OUT OF EMOTION/SPITE anymore. No everybody has to be fucking Jesus No-personality Christ.


^^ THis is my point. He's not obligated to give a shit about the same thigns you give a shit about. If you decided to not like him because of that, then go ahead. HE doesn't care because because he, shockingly, doesn't give a shit about the same things you give a shit about.
Weemoed
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands741 Posts
December 13 2011 15:54 GMT
#400
On December 14 2011 00:53 MayorITC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 00:46 rblstr wrote:
Oh please, you think GOM care about that game?
Did they lose any money from Nani throwing the game?

No.
Get over it.
Its not a big deal, just be happy you saw Leenok, Polt and MMA show incredible games.


Actually they have. I've paid for every GOM tournament, but I don't think I'll be paying for anymore tournaments that involve Naniwa.


lol
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