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Charger
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2405 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-12 21:05:01
December 12 2011 21:04 GMT
#1821
On December 13 2011 06:03 chaynesore wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 06:00 Ariovist wrote:
we need more graphs...

Ask and ye shall receive..

*graph*

I expanded the x axis to show how much time is left.
I find it curious how both votes rates of increase stay in proportion with each other...


Yes how very strange indeed...

lol this is such a joke
It's easy to be a Monday morning quarterback.
JOJOsc2news
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
3000 Posts
December 12 2011 21:05 GMT
#1822
I expanded the x axis to show how much time is left.
I find it curious how both votes rates of increase stay in proportion with each other..


that's what a good bot does. it'll always be slightly better and win with a small not too obvious margin.
✉ Tweets @sc2channel ⌦ Blog: http://www.teamliquid.net/blog/JOJO ⌫ "Arbiterssss... build more arbiterssss." Click 'Profile' for awesome shiro art!
ribboo
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1842 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-12 21:05:55
December 12 2011 21:05 GMT
#1823
Glider had a 16k lead 45 minutes ago. It's now down to 14,5k. She is gaining. But by the looks of it - with only three hours left - nowhere close to fast enough. Let's hope the bots don't pick up their pace.

98700 ESL
113329 Glider
MadChem
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Germany218 Posts
December 12 2011 21:05 GMT
#1824
[QUOTE]On December 13 2011 06:02 Roscoe.964 wrote:
[QUOTE]On December 13 2011 05:58 MadChem wrote:
[Quote]To close out 2011, the On The Rise candidates this month are as talented and diverse as ever, including an ESL teacher, a pop culture vlogger, a skateboard videographer and a portrait artist. Vote for your favorite by December 12, and we’ll announce the partner selected on this blog on December 19. [/qoute]


Just paid a bit more attention to what yt is writing. I think they gonna choose Paperlilies ;-)[/QUOTE]
why do you say that?[/QUOTE]

It looks to me like yt still wants to have saying, why should they wait until the 19 of December for announcing the winner?
"I am become death, the destroyer of worlds." - Oppenheimer
Draconicfire
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2562 Posts
December 12 2011 21:06 GMT
#1825
Whoa what. The graph is so close it's ridiculous.

I think we can hold out at this rate though, but it's starting to feel like one of those campaign missions where we just turtle and survive >_>
@Drayxs | Drayxs.221 | Drayxs#1802
caradoc
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada3022 Posts
December 12 2011 21:06 GMT
#1826
On December 13 2011 06:03 chaynesore wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 06:00 Ariovist wrote:
we need more graphs...

Ask and ye shall receive..

[image loading]

I expanded the x axis to show how much time is left.
I find it curious how both votes rates of increase stay in proportion with each other...

EDIT: What I want to see now that I'm tracking, is another giant surge from us, to see if it surges for Jennifer at the same time.. If we can do that. We have solid proof guys. We need day9 or something.



Lol---- absolutely ridiculous, this is so obviously a bot
Salvation a la mode and a cup of tea...
pPingu
Profile Joined September 2011
Switzerland2892 Posts
December 12 2011 21:07 GMT
#1827
On December 13 2011 06:03 chaynesore wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 06:00 Ariovist wrote:
we need more graphs...

Ask and ye shall receive..

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


I expanded the x axis to show how much time is left.
I find it curious how both votes rates of increase stay in proportion with each other...

EDIT: What I want to see now that I'm tracking, is another giant surge from us, to see if it surges for Jennifer at the same time.. If we can do that. We have solid proof guys. We need day9 or something.


Is it possible for you to provide a 3 days graph or something?

It would be really interesting
brachester
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia1786 Posts
December 12 2011 21:07 GMT
#1828
[QUOTE]On December 13 2011 06:05 MadChem wrote:
[QUOTE]On December 13 2011 06:02 Roscoe.964 wrote:
[QUOTE]On December 13 2011 05:58 MadChem wrote:
[Quote]To close out 2011, the On The Rise candidates this month are as talented and diverse as ever, including an ESL teacher, a pop culture vlogger, a skateboard videographer and a portrait artist. Vote for your favorite by December 12, and we’ll announce the partner selected on this blog on December 19. [/qoute]


Just paid a bit more attention to what yt is writing. I think they gonna choose Paperlilies ;-)[/QUOTE]
why do you say that?[/QUOTE]

It looks to me like yt still wants to have saying, why should they wait until the 19 of December for announcing the winner?[/QUOTE]
maybe to investigate anything that may come up during the contest such as what's hapenning right now?
I hate all this singing
Badboyrune
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden2247 Posts
December 12 2011 21:07 GMT
#1829
On December 13 2011 06:03 chaynesore wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 06:00 Ariovist wrote:
we need more graphs...

Ask and ye shall receive..

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


I expanded the x axis to show how much time is left.
I find it curious how both votes rates of increase stay in proportion with each other...

EDIT: What I want to see now that I'm tracking, is another giant surge from us, to see if it surges for Jennifer at the same time.. If we can do that. We have solid proof guys. We need day9 or something.


Graph hugging is going to be the new sport for programmers everywhere. Who can get their score closest to another entry in a random poll on the internet!
"If yellow does start SC2, I should start handsomenerd diaper busniess and become a rich man" - John the Translator
AndyGB4
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada156 Posts
December 12 2011 21:08 GMT
#1830
On December 13 2011 06:03 chaynesore wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 06:00 Ariovist wrote:
we need more graphs...

Ask and ye shall receive..

[image loading]

I expanded the x axis to show how much time is left.
I find it curious how both votes rates of increase stay in proportion with each other...

EDIT: What I want to see now that I'm tracking, is another giant surge from us, to see if it surges for Jennifer at the same time.. If we can do that. We have solid proof guys. We need day9 or something.


Ummm. that second graph is really scary, it's so odd that her votes are almost perfectly proportional with ours :S

This is getting ridiculous... I really want to know WHO is botting, JennyESL (whos being all innocent and such) or YouTube, who's starting to have some odd connections with promoting education as mentionned a few posts ago..
chaynesore
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia175 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-12 21:09:47
December 12 2011 21:09 GMT
#1831
On December 13 2011 06:07 pPingu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 06:03 chaynesore wrote:
On December 13 2011 06:00 Ariovist wrote:
we need more graphs...

Ask and ye shall receive..

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


I expanded the x axis to show how much time is left.
I find it curious how both votes rates of increase stay in proportion with each other...

EDIT: What I want to see now that I'm tracking, is another giant surge from us, to see if it surges for Jennifer at the same time.. If we can do that. We have solid proof guys. We need day9 or something.


Is it possible for you to provide a 3 days graph or something?

It would be really interesting

It would be, but no. I'm just doing this manually by refreshing every 5 mins while watching movies.. Maybe youtube has those stats...

I'll keep doing this until the comp is over though
"When things get weird, I'm in my element." - Liquid`TLO
caradoc
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada3022 Posts
December 12 2011 21:09 GMT
#1832
If we get data until 17:00 and the trend continues, I think it is pretty solid proof of botting, that if presented to yt, can't be legitimately ignored out of hand.
Salvation a la mode and a cup of tea...
JOJOsc2news
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
3000 Posts
December 12 2011 21:10 GMT
#1833

If we get data until 17:00 and the trend continues, I think it is pretty solid proof of botting, that if presented to yt, can't be legitimately ignored out of hand.


as Glider said earlier. nothing will be done about it because that would be bad press. this isn't actually very important for youtube. it's only about the daily feature. they won't risk bad press about something like that.
✉ Tweets @sc2channel ⌦ Blog: http://www.teamliquid.net/blog/JOJO ⌫ "Arbiterssss... build more arbiterssss." Click 'Profile' for awesome shiro art!
BobbyBrown
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand62 Posts
December 12 2011 21:13 GMT
#1834
at first i was like

what the fuck

then i was like

WHAT THE FUCK!

and transitioned rigth into

VOTE THE FUCK!!!!!
caradoc
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada3022 Posts
December 12 2011 21:13 GMT
#1835
On December 13 2011 06:10 JOJOsc2news wrote:
Show nested quote +

If we get data until 17:00 and the trend continues, I think it is pretty solid proof of botting, that if presented to yt, can't be legitimately ignored out of hand.


as Glider said earlier. nothing will be done about it because that would be bad press. this isn't actually very important for youtube. it's only about the daily feature. they won't risk bad press about something like that.



possibly, but it's bad press to allow it as well, given that theres a community of several hundred thousand that's aware of it.

Can't think for them though so who knows.
Salvation a la mode and a cup of tea...
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
December 12 2011 21:14 GMT
#1836
On December 13 2011 06:09 chaynesore wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 06:07 pPingu wrote:
On December 13 2011 06:03 chaynesore wrote:
On December 13 2011 06:00 Ariovist wrote:
we need more graphs...

Ask and ye shall receive..

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


I expanded the x axis to show how much time is left.
I find it curious how both votes rates of increase stay in proportion with each other...

EDIT: What I want to see now that I'm tracking, is another giant surge from us, to see if it surges for Jennifer at the same time.. If we can do that. We have solid proof guys. We need day9 or something.


Is it possible for you to provide a 3 days graph or something?

It would be really interesting

It would be, but no. I'm just doing this manually by refreshing every 5 mins while watching movies.. Maybe youtube has those stats...

I'll keep doing this until the comp is over though


Yes, and because of this method, we should be a bit careful before we use this as evidence for bot. Imagine if your reading is a bit early or late, due to caching, you being caught up in movie, youtube page not updating votes perfectly live or something. Then you will see correlated shapes like this. If you accidentally get a too short time interval, both increments will be low, if you accidentally take a too large time, both will be high.

just saying, don't be too hot on the trigger from this graph, as the information goes through a lot of steps, and any flaw will give this signal.
gullberg
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Sweden1301 Posts
December 12 2011 21:15 GMT
#1837
My fucking god this is going to be close as fuck >.<
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8302 Posts
December 12 2011 21:15 GMT
#1838
On December 13 2011 06:06 caradoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 06:03 chaynesore wrote:
On December 13 2011 06:00 Ariovist wrote:
we need more graphs...

Ask and ye shall receive..

[image loading]

I expanded the x axis to show how much time is left.
I find it curious how both votes rates of increase stay in proportion with each other...

EDIT: What I want to see now that I'm tracking, is another giant surge from us, to see if it surges for Jennifer at the same time.. If we can do that. We have solid proof guys. We need day9 or something.



Lol---- absolutely ridiculous, this is so obviously a bot


Can someone extrapolate the first graph to project the numbers at 5:00 please?

(Probably the most bizzare thing I've ever asked, but figured I'd put it out there.)
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
ribboo
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1842 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-12 21:16:10
December 12 2011 21:15 GMT
#1839
ESL has only caught up by around 100 votes the last 15 minutes. This is actually looking really good.
caradoc
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada3022 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-12 21:19:14
December 12 2011 21:17 GMT
#1840
On December 13 2011 06:14 Cascade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 06:09 chaynesore wrote:
On December 13 2011 06:07 pPingu wrote:
On December 13 2011 06:03 chaynesore wrote:
On December 13 2011 06:00 Ariovist wrote:
we need more graphs...

Ask and ye shall receive..

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


I expanded the x axis to show how much time is left.
I find it curious how both votes rates of increase stay in proportion with each other...

EDIT: What I want to see now that I'm tracking, is another giant surge from us, to see if it surges for Jennifer at the same time.. If we can do that. We have solid proof guys. We need day9 or something.


Is it possible for you to provide a 3 days graph or something?

It would be really interesting

It would be, but no. I'm just doing this manually by refreshing every 5 mins while watching movies.. Maybe youtube has those stats...

I'll keep doing this until the comp is over though


Yes, and because of this method, we should be a bit careful before we use this as evidence for bot. Imagine if your reading is a bit early or late, due to caching, you being caught up in movie, youtube page not updating votes perfectly live or something. Then you will see correlated shapes like this. If you accidentally get a too short time interval, both increments will be low, if you accidentally take a too large time, both will be high.

just saying, don't be too hot on the trigger from this graph, as the information goes through a lot of steps, and any flaw will give this signal.


Not technically true--- notice how the lines never cross-- you would predict that they would very likely cross if there was no botting. You would also predict the existence of cases where portrait art inc/5min would increase while esl inc/5min would decrease, again, doesn't happen. What you would NOT predict if this was two organic processes is a tight correlation at 5 minute intervals, which you see here.

The spiky nature of the graph is (partially) related to intervals, but that's all.
Salvation a la mode and a cup of tea...
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