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KimJongIlJr
Korea (North)61 Posts
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[17]Purple
United Kingdom3489 Posts
On December 10 2011 05:05 bmn wrote: False, please re-read Jason's statement. They were going to send people to Korea who he would be able to speak English with. I am not claiming any party is lying on the matter, but the fact that Jason Lake said "any week now" instead of any concrete time period such as 3-6 weeks is very concering in regards to its legitimacy. I am also very suspicious about their motives posting the information on reddit instead of their own community site or even Teamliquid, it all seems very suspicious to me. It may simply be the fact that them saying sending Trimaster to Korea wasn't bundled up in an announcment article with a clear and definite time period but introduced as a rather vague attack to NaNiwa really... irks me in regards to their handling of the situation. | ||
pPingu
Switzerland2892 Posts
On December 10 2011 05:10 bmn wrote: FYI, I am part of the "non-American/English speaking community". Naniwa made it clear he was lonely, and nobody is disputing that, or that it was hard on him. Jason disputed the claim that they had no plans to send anyone "for a long time", which appears to be false. Maybe nani meant somebody he is friend with Anyways, I don't see how this has become such a drama subject | ||
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aintz
Canada5624 Posts
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Klondikebar
United States2227 Posts
On December 10 2011 05:10 bmn wrote: FYI, I am part of the "non-American/English speaking community". Naniwa made it clear he was lonely, and nobody is disputing that, or that it was hard on him. Jason disputed the claim that they had no plans to send anyone "for a long time", which appears to be false. I was not a good fit in Complexity because I was all alone in Korea, and they had no plans to send any more of their players here for a long time. Those are Naniwa's exact words. They can be interpreted as "for a long time they had no plans to send any more of their players here." Which would mean the Trimaster plans are a new development. Or, they can be interpreted as "it will be a long time before another player is here in Korea with me." Given that CoL's statement was Trimaster will go to Korea "any week now" that's not an unfair statement for Naniwa to make. Either way I just hate this whole thing. What could have been a simple team switch turned into a shit flinging contest because some managers and "anonymous sources" couldn't resist. | ||
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iEatWoofers
Switzerland108 Posts
It makes sense considering Nanis comment... I wouldn't want to be all alone in korea either. SaSe and Naniwa should get even more amazing at PvP now! :D Awesome! Oh and this is a great pick-up for Quantic! I hope everything goes well for 'em  | ||
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Mr. Black
United States470 Posts
I do not think Complexity or Naniwa has acted poorly in any way. That said, I feel for Complexity, because they have a great team, they are clearly dedicated to SC2, and they have had really bad luck with player retention. | ||
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Kaitokid
Germany1327 Posts
On December 10 2011 05:40 iEatWoofers wrote: When I read Complexitys statement I thought there would be more behind this too... that Nani did something really bad. (So, please make better statements in the future - this kind of sh*t doesn't fare well on the internet. Be clear about the reasons! Or you'll just make the whole thing bigger than it should be.) It makes sense considering Nanis comment... I wouldn't want to be all alone in korea either. SaSe and Naniwa should get even more amazing at PvP now! :D Awesome! Oh and this is a great pick-up for Quantic! I hope everything goes well for 'em I don't think this tranfer had any influence on whether SaSe and Naniwa practice together or not, as they know each other very well anyway. | ||
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00Visor
4337 Posts
On December 10 2011 05:11 KimJongIlJr wrote: Any reason why he is so deadset on being in korea, he can't get on a korean team? Bouncing around from team to team no matter what the circumstances doesn't seem to look good for him because it turns into a 'he said, they said' imo. There is much more money to get in foreign teams. And Korean teams are not interested in sending players to foreign events. | ||
miwi
Sweden647 Posts
On December 10 2011 05:36 Klondikebar wrote: Those are Naniwa's exact words. They can be interpreted as "for a long time they had no plans to send any more of their players here." Which would mean the Trimaster plans are a new development. Or, they can be interpreted as "it will be a long time before another player is here in Korea with me." Given that CoL's statement was Trimaster will go to Korea "any week now" that's not an unfair statement for Naniwa to make. Either way I just hate this whole thing. What could have been a simple team switch turned into a shit flinging contest because some managers and "anonymous sources" couldn't resist. Or a third: that he meant that coL are not sending anyone to stay in korea for a long period of time with him, meaning he will get "visits" for one or some weeks but not someone that will be in korea long term with him. Naniwa have said on numerous occasions that he wants to stay in korea for a looong period of time since it's the only way to compete with top koreans in tournaments. I think it's a fair assumption that he probably told complexity this, and that he, quite frankly, don't want to waste time on anything other than practicing for really big tournaments like GSL or Blizzard Cup. I think this is a big factor in why coL decided to sell him, they don't want to have a guy in korea "practicing" all the time. I have a feeling this is what coL meant with "core values of compLexity" and I believe this is what is different about Quantic. Oh and I'm not even going to comment on this ESFI World article, because I don't think it should have received nearly as much attention as it did. | ||
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HerroPreaseTN
Norway71 Posts
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BarbieHsu
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sereniity
Sweden1159 Posts
On December 10 2011 05:11 KimJongIlJr wrote: Any reason why he is so deadset on being in korea, he can't get on a korean team? Bouncing around from team to team no matter what the circumstances doesn't seem to look good for him because it turns into a 'he said, they said' imo. Because korea is where you have to be if you wanna be the best and compete with the best? wow that was hard... | ||
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Vul
United States685 Posts
On December 10 2011 03:10 Klondikebar wrote: I think your confusing absolute and relative values. 7% isn't a lot no matter how many 0's appear at the end of the number. And like Doodsmack said earlier, if it's common knowledge that Naniwa is difficult, why do you need an anonymous source? And why on earth would you tack on the mental help part? It's a mistake that's SO easy to avoid. The source knew they would remain anonymous so they just couldn't resist adding a little jab at the end of their quote, which really sheds some light on the validity of that source. Journalists also have the ability to truncate quotes with an ellipsis. Why would you as a journalist include something in your article you know to be immature slander? I think people expect Naniwa to be BM and ESFI and CoL are exploiting that to get in a little mudslinging at Naniwa's expense. He doesn't deserve that. He catches too much flak for BM that never happened. Like I said, I'm not sure that they should have chosen that quote for the article, but not because it was anonymous. I do think it was legitimate to include the opinion of his former coworkers, even if it was negative. Does questioning his mental state cross the line? I think that's a good question. My point is that it has nothing to do with the anonymity of the source. I'm not confusing absolute and relative values. I was showing how implausible it is to believe that about 10% of hundreds of thousands of news stories "don't end well" because they use anonymous sourcing. Again, that was just looking at a fraction of one medium (daily, print newspapers), in one country, whereas really we would be dealing in the millions if we included every medium, and in every country. | ||
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vitruvia
Canada235 Posts
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-_-
United States7081 Posts
"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit" Ryan "Aristotle" Rushia I completely understand that the webmaster likely asked each player to "give a quote that resonates with you." They're certainly not trying to plagiarize Aristotle. But it just struck me as hilarious. Sort of like when you see the picture of Harry Potter saying "You shall not pass" --Dumbledore. http://www.complexitygaming.com/roster/ | ||
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aMies
United States77 Posts
On December 10 2011 07:02 -_- wrote: So, I just went to complexity's site to see what their roster was. On the page where you can mouse over the players, each player had a quote attributed to them. Half of the quotes are famous maxims, but beneath them they put the players name. "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit" Ryan "Aristotle" Rushia I completely understand that the webmaster likely asked each player to "give a quote that resonates with you." They're certainly not trying to plagiarize Aristotle. But it just struck me as hilarious. Sort of like when you see the picture of Harry Potter saying "You shall not pass" --Dumbledore. http://www.complexitygaming.com/roster/ Yes, we do ask each player to provide a quote of their choice. This can be a famous quote that resonates with them, or it can be something in their own words. | ||
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-_-
United States7081 Posts
On December 10 2011 07:04 aMies wrote: Yes, we do ask each player to provide a quote of their choice. This can be a famous quote that resonates with them, or it can be something in their own words. No disrespect was meant. I just went in assuming they were all player quotes and got a huge smile. | ||
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D_K_night
Canada615 Posts
On December 09 2011 06:11 Alvalanker wrote: I really don't see how it does. Human beings have emotions...even professionals are human beings, believe it or not, and they are emotional. They should be able to express themselves. Who cares if IDrA or Naniwa are rude or bad mannered sometimes? Seriously? Who the fuck cares? It will bring in as many people as it will turn away. you do realize that there are cultural differences that need to be accounted for, right? specifically between korea(where mild-mannered, self-effacing, modest behavior is expected), vs the west where we have a love/hate relationship with the brash, volatile personality type. there's something called professionalism that's important, because you can't justify acting like child whilst in game. Would you go all BM and throw a hissy fit right in the middle of a game? | ||
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WightyCity
Canada887 Posts
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