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On December 08 2011 05:18 rapidtransit247 wrote: Dude, it's gonna be WeRRa all over again...
I hope that wasn't meant to be as horribly inappropriate as I understood it to be...
Good luck to It's Gosu and Gretorp. I'm sure he'll be a great coach if he has enough time to dedicate to coaching.
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On December 08 2011 06:03 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 05:43 -_- wrote:On December 08 2011 05:08 Xeris wrote:On December 08 2011 05:05 -_- wrote:On December 08 2011 02:43 -_- wrote: I wonder why itsgosu thinks it needs the publicity. I suppose it has failed to break into the upper echelon of teams, but I still can't put my finger on why they think now is the time to make the push.
I'm also interested in whether Gretorp will actually do any coaching. Probably not, but it would be neat to see a team try to use one of their promoters for something else. Reading this post again, it sound more negative than I meant it to be. That said, I think the Starcraft 2 community is very interested in the idea of coaches. If Gretorp is actually a coach, they should create a ton of video content where Gretorp is coaching members of the team. What would that even look like? I'd be interested. If they don't, everyone in the Starcraft 2 community is savvy enough to realize that it was a publicity stunt. What does this even mean? Also, I struggle to find posts from you that aren't negative. Sometimes organizations try to affiliate themselves with a caster for publicity. For example, according to different members of sixjax, when Artosis became a member of that team, he didn't actually do much. Sixjax simply wanted Artosis as a member to raise its profile. If you've followed the scene, you've likely noticed a rash of casters being hired by teams without any set duties or any evidence that they do any work. As for what I said about being a coach, if you read Reddit or Teamliquid.net, I'm sure you've seen several posts asking why foreign teams don't have coaches. Without a doubt people are interested. However, at different times players and managers of prominent teams like TL and EG have said that coaches would not mesh well with Western Esports teams (as opposed to Korean Teams). A few points those people brought up include: 1) The coach would not be respected. In Korea, if a legend like Boxer with championships and lots of experience gives you advice, the players would listen. Outside of Korea, however, the few legendary players have retired and moved on to other things (with the notable exception of Mondragon). Why should a player listen Gretorp if A) he's a better SC2 player than him now, and B) he was a better BW or WC3 player than him in the past? What can he offer? Or rather, what would the player think he could offer? 2) Culturally, as a general matter, Koreans have proven to be better at submitting to authority than Americans and Europeans, at least in an esports context. Certainly, everyone has obeyed a coach at some point in their life, but Koreans have experience listening to Esports coaches. If a Coach told, for example, Stephano to switch away from a mass ling infestor style would he simply shut up and listen to him? 3) Finally, for a coach to be effective, he would have to dedicate quite a bit of time. Can teams afford to pay a coach enough money for him to focus long enough on coaching for the investment to be worth it? Considering those difficulties, I would be extremely interested in watching Gretorp coach. And I doubt I'd be alone. That's what I meant by my previous post. Of course the effectiveness of a SC2 coach outside of Korea is questionable, and rightfully so. However, just because it might not actually be effective doesn't mean it's just for publicity. It could be, don't get me wrong... but saying, "unless they really make good content that shows Gretorp is actually doing a lot of coaching it's just a publicity stunt," is really shallow. I personally think a coach CAN be effective, and it will take the right group of people. I do NOT think, for example, Gretorp could coach someone like Stephano. I think it can work in this particular instance, because the ItsGosu players aren't prima-donnas and don't have the same ego as top level players (obviously someone like Stephano, IdrA, etc, will never seriously listen to coaching from Gretorp). They are young enough and familiar enough with Gretorp that I think they will take his advice seriously. So ya, even if it doesn't work out, and he doesn't really do much, I don't think it's fair to say that it's just a publicity stunt. Gretorp is part of the ItsGosu family, whether his role plays out the way they envision it is a different story~
Another big duty I imagine a coach in Korea to have is - when you practise for a big upcoming match against a certain player - to find out everything about the game of that player, so that the players themselves can concentrate on their game, i,e, mechanics. However, this is not really needed in the western system. Especially in sc2, where there is so much information about the player on the market, having somebody dedicated to study your opponent is pretty valuable.
Regardless, I think a coach is a good decision. I am really curious what exaclty Gretorps duties will be.
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Fantastic choice by It's Gosu. Gretorp's friendly demeanor almost betrays how brilliant of an SC2 mind he really is! Behind that huggable giggly lad is an amazing strategist. I can't wait to see how it helps the It's Gosu crew! :D :D :D
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woot! sadly i think he is no longer going to cast NASL3(if there is one)
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On December 08 2011 06:25 Day[9] wrote: Fantastic choice by It's Gosu. Gretorp's friendly demeanor almost betrays how brilliant of an SC2 mind he really is! Behind that huggable giggly lad is an amazing strategist. I can't wait to see how it helps the It's Gosu crew! :D :D :D Hey day9 you seem like a perfect coach have you ever considered coaching a team? Anyways congratulations to gretorp with players like gatored, vibe, hwangsin and dde and now their own coach itsgosu look like a big name coming into 2012.
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On December 08 2011 06:34 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 06:25 Day[9] wrote: Fantastic choice by It's Gosu. Gretorp's friendly demeanor almost betrays how brilliant of an SC2 mind he really is! Behind that huggable giggly lad is an amazing strategist. I can't wait to see how it helps the It's Gosu crew! :D :D :D Hey day9 you seem like a perfect coach have you ever considered coaching a team? Anyways congratulations to gretorp with players like gatored, vibe, hwangsin and dde and now their own coach itsgosu look like a big name coming into 2012.
Day9 will probably make a perfect multiple things in SC2 (caster, player, coach), he just can't be everywhere at once.
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Day[9] Has nowhere near enough free time to coach a team. He barely has time to do what he's doing now, especially with the huge number of events he's been casting.
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Great choice by It's Gosu! I hope it works out! I've been a big fan of gretorp ever since some of his bw analysis work. The dude knows his stuff.
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This totally confused me until i realized that it was the other "gosu" team that disbanded. Whew. GL Gretorp!
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i'm still not entirely sure what team coaches do in sc2. it almost seems like an honorary title for players who wont be playing as much but still want to contribute to the team in suggesting strategy or helping players develop builds. i'm thinking of former players like ogsthewind. is this the basic idea? gretorp is so well known though it's almost like the team gets a brand when they hire him.
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Hell yeah <333 go go andre bear!
Remember your first team
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On December 08 2011 02:43 -_- wrote: I wonder why itsgosu thinks it needs the publicity. I suppose it has failed to break into the upper echelon of teams, but I still can't put my finger on why they think now is the time to make the push.
I'm also interested in whether Gretorp will actually do any coaching. Probably not, but it would be neat to see a team try to use one of their promoters for something else.
You might be underestimating the power of a coach. It's obviously not the same scale, but when Gretorp coached the Princeton CSL team a couple years ago, we were able to take down teams FAR superior to our own (Duke, whose lineup featured coL.rsvp and Liquid`Tyler). Preparation, yo.
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wonder what Hwangsin thinks about that :D
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Good for Gretorp and It's Gosu. I really felt bad for Gretorp, taking all the hate that he did during NASL for his casting. Maybe he was not as entertaining as Husky and Day9 or HD and Painuser, but you could see he was trying his best and focusing on the technicalities of the game.
Coach Gretorp...good ring to it.
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How does coaching work? Is he sponsored by It's Gosu (gear/travel-wise) now, or is like an actual job with salary?
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On December 08 2011 07:11 BoggieMan wrote: wonder what Hwangsin thinks about that :D
No matter how much I read about Hwangsin i always think about Hwasin, haha.
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Congrats Gretorp! This is so cool.
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AWESOME~~ this reminds me of back in the day of USA B team xD we dominate~ but this time, he's our coach :D Congrats on joining our team and welcome
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On December 08 2011 06:34 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 06:25 Day[9] wrote: Fantastic choice by It's Gosu. Gretorp's friendly demeanor almost betrays how brilliant of an SC2 mind he really is! Behind that huggable giggly lad is an amazing strategist. I can't wait to see how it helps the It's Gosu crew! :D :D :D Hey day9 you seem like a perfect coach have you ever considered coaching a team? Anyways congratulations to gretorp with players like gatored, vibe, hwangsin and dde and now their own coach itsgosu look like a big name coming into 2012.
Day[9] does not need a job as a coach. He already coaches the whole freaking community. As for the article, congratulations to both It's Gosu and Gretorp! It's Gosu is really starting to shape up to be a serious competetive team.
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