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It's Gosu eSports is today pleased to announce that Andre "Gretorp" Hengchua will be joining our Starcraft II team, where he will serve as player coach.
Scott "RuM" Ball, Team Manager for It's Gosu eSports, marked Hengchua's joining of the team as yet another step forward for It's Gosu.
“Of all the people I'm lucky enough to call friends and colleagues in the world of eSports, Andre is one of the closest to me. Given the fact that his career includes time spent as both a top player and leading analytical caster, the chance to bring him on as a coach is genuinely incredible. There are few as qualified as he is to coach in the North American scene, and it's both an honor and a privilege to have him lending his talents to our organization. I know I speak for everyone at It's Gosu in saying that we're all excited to see his wealth of knowledge being put to use with the aim of helping our players reach their goals and become champions-- I am very confident that he represents the final piece in the puzzle that's going to unlock our true potential. Welcome to the family, Andre!”
Ball's sentiments were echoed by Aaron "Ayesee" Chambers, Executive Manager for It's Gosu eSports, who heralded the team's most recent acquisition as another indication that It's Gosu will continue to play a leading role in North American eSports for years to come.
"In less than a year, It's Gosu eSports has gone from a basement project of a few very passionate individuals, to a major leader in North American eSports, both in terms of competitive teams, and in terms of content offered to serve our community. The fact that our organization has been able to attract the talents of an individual like Andre speaks volumes as to our plans for the future... bigger, better, and assembling as much talent under our roof as possible, all so we can offer the best situation for our players, and so we can turn out the most amazing product we can in order to entertain and serve the people who really make eSports what it is-- the fans. Speaking for the management of It's Gosu, the majority of the credit goes to our players, our employees, and, of course, to Scott, who once again took charge in making this happen. We can't wait to see where things go from here, and consider ourselves quite fortunate to have the chance to work with someone of Andre's caliber."
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Hengchua had the following to say concerning his new home in It's Gosu:
“Since I've worked with the NASL, my time has been very limited. However, I've always wanted to stay as close as possible to the competitive scene. When Scott proposed the idea of coaching to me, I was ecstatic for the opportunity. Still, I had to make sure it was a place I wanted to be. After spending time with them at past MLG events, I realized that they weren't just a bunch of talented, hardworking individuals, but they were also a family. I felt very comfortable and at home. Because of that, I am proud to join the team and do everything I can to be the best coach possible. I thank It's Gosu for this opportunity, and I am looking forward to the impact I will make on the team.”
Hengchua, a former full time Starcraft II player who earned considerable notoriety with numerous competitive successes during the Wings of Liberty Beta, placed 21st overall in the 2010 MLG Pro Circuit, and entered pool play at MLG Dallas. He now works full time for the North American Star League (NASL) as a caster and media personality.
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Nice, hope it works out for all. Will he continue casting or is this his full time job now?
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congrats to you all, I'm sure you will all do well together. 
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Yay, Gretorp <3
Best of luck in your new position! Always liked your casting
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Good stuff seems like a great role for gretorp, best of luck.
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nice
gretorp getting back into it
good that foreign teams start getting coaches as well
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congrats to gretorp :D
Because of this move, im now a fan of itsgosu
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Holy guacamole!
Good luck to gretorp and Gosu :D
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Congratulations, Gretorp!
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Oh wow. Didn't even know about this til I saw the post, but..
Awesome! Welcome Andre ^^ cool guy and it's nice that we have a coach :O!
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Interesting o.O
I look forward to seeing how this pans out. This is new territory.
GL HF Gretorp & ItsGosu~!
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congratulations gretorp :D hopefully the players will show better results
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Haha now we get to see Andre harass more Waiters and Waitresses! Welcome to the team man glad to have you.
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Gosu has a pretty strong team that just needs some good training. Gatored keeps impressing me and I hope gretorp can somehow help him
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Nicee! Now they have a coach, it's good to see ESPORTS develop.
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Best of luck on this and congrats to both parties involved. Hoping for the best in the future!
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I am glad to have you on board Gretorp!
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Man, It's gosu looks better every day
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thats pretty cool, coaches are awesome :D
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Congrats, best of luck Gretorp.
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are you fucking serious no offense to gretorp but what about me? throw me a fucking coaching job for fuck sakes hell give me a chance as a player i need a teams support if i plan on doing anything professionally in this game
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well bad news for team gosu imo
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On December 07 2011 23:58 tenaciousg wrote:
are you fucking serious no offense to gretorp but what about me? throw me a fucking coaching job for fuck sakes hell give me a chance as a player i need a teams support if i plan on doing anything professionally in this game
Who the hell are you? O.o
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Congrats, always appreciated your passion and hardworking. Enjoy your casting too
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Grats to both parties.
Anything that can help its gosu get better is always a step in the right direction. glgl
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On December 07 2011 23:58 tenaciousg wrote:
are you fucking serious no offense to gretorp but what about me? throw me a fucking coaching job for fuck sakes hell give me a chance as a player i need a teams support if i plan on doing anything professionally in this game
lol such a troll
also, congrats gretorp !
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On December 08 2011 00:00 Bocian wrote:
well bad news for team gosu imo
Why would it be a bad news?
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Wait, if Its Gosu is still around, which Gosu team was it that disbanded?
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On December 08 2011 00:05 sambo400 wrote:
Wait, if Its Gosu is still around, which Gosu team was it that disbanded?
Gosugamers. It's a different team.
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On December 08 2011 00:05 sambo400 wrote:
Wait, if Its Gosu is still around, which Gosu team was it that disbanded?
gosugamers
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On December 07 2011 23:58 tenaciousg wrote:
are you fucking serious no offense to gretorp but what about me? throw me a fucking coaching job for fuck sakes hell give me a chance as a player i need a teams support if i plan on doing anything professionally in this game
Totally.
With the amount you've done for esports, wth is gretorp getting this gig instead?!
:/
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Sick - Gretorp is a sick coach from when I've watched him coach some (as the time) midtier NA pros
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congrats Gretorp! such a nice guy
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Awesome stuff, GJ Gretorp!
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On December 07 2011 23:58 tenaciousg wrote:
are you fucking serious no offense to gretorp but what about me? throw me a fucking coaching job for fuck sakes hell give me a chance as a player i need a teams support if i plan on doing anything professionally in this game
In the spirit of the seasons TROLOLOLOL LOLOLOLOL (Deck the halls theme)
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Glad to see someone taking the first steps of adding coaches. Even more excited that its Gretorp. Looking forward to this partnership.
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Really interesting news! It'll be interesting to see how this goes. We all know having a coach is a key element of the "teamhouse" model, but how will it work for a Western team? Personally, I think it'll be a big help, since a coach dhould be able to help players both with strategies and with focusing their practice on specific elements of play. We'll see if this helps push It's Gosu into the big time.
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Congrats Gretorp, I hope you do well.
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Coach Gretrop, a nice ring to it :D
I bet ever player on It's Gosu's quaking in their boots tho.... Gretorp's 'bout to bring some BJJ discipline to those kids xDDD
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awesome, grats Gretorp and IG!
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On December 08 2011 00:01 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2011 23:58 tenaciousg wrote:
are you fucking serious no offense to gretorp but what about me? throw me a fucking coaching job for fuck sakes hell give me a chance as a player i need a teams support if i plan on doing anything professionally in this game Who the hell are you? O.o
i am tenaciousg, best demo in tf2 grandson of a UDT - POW of the Korean War
im tired of the lack of respect and the way this world is fucking run
and i didnt mean to be disrespectful to gretorp i know the work hes put in hes earned it congratulations but alot of people go unheard you think jaedong and flash are good? what about the people who were never given a chance in the first place
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Coachtorp. Love'n it. Andre is the man.
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On December 08 2011 00:38 tenaciousg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 00:01 1Eris1 wrote:On December 07 2011 23:58 tenaciousg wrote:
are you fucking serious no offense to gretorp but what about me? throw me a fucking coaching job for fuck sakes hell give me a chance as a player i need a teams support if i plan on doing anything professionally in this game Who the hell are you? O.o i am tenaciousg, best demo in tf2 grandson of a UDT - POW of the Korean War im tired of the lack of respect and the way this world is fucking run and i didnt mean to be disrespectful to gretorp i know the work hes put in hes earned it congratulations but alot of people go unheard you think jaedong and flash are good? what about the people who were never given a chance in the first place
Like who?
You don't get any respect because you're using profanity and complaining in a topic that: isn't about you & suppose to be a good topic about someone else.
P.M me, let's talk :3
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Yay this is sweet and awesome!
AWEET
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Gretorp as a team coach? Interesting choice.
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But I thought that Gosu collapsed?
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Glad Gretorp found a job outside of NASL,GZ!!!
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Congrats Gretorp .. hope GoSu isn't full though 
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On December 07 2011 23:27 gruff wrote:
Nice, hope it works out for all. Will he continue casting or is this his full time job now?
Lol...
How would this be a full-time job?
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On December 08 2011 00:49 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
But I thought that Gosu collapsed?
GosuGamers shut down their SC2 and Dota 2 teams. Gretop joined It's Gosu.
GosuGamers is a Swedish organization
It's Gosu eSports is North American.
I hope it helped =)
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Congratz!!!! This is awesome! Congratz both of you ! : )!
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Wow this is weird. Will he still cast?
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Awesome news for both Gretorp and Its Gosu!! I'm so excited to see how 2012 is for Its Gosu.
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Time to bop train some clowns. much success!
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Grats, put those gosus on the map.
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aw shit, new favorite team ! :D
can't wait to see dem results xP
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Nice Gretorp, glad to see your happy
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Nice work, bit weird how Gretorp's sc2 career turned out.
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Thats cool.. whats he actually going to be doing?
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Wait to go Andre! Now, about that money you owe me 
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On December 08 2011 01:30 BigLighthouse wrote:
Thats cool.. whats he actually going to be doing?
He will be the team coach
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On December 08 2011 01:22 fortheGG wrote:
Nice work, bit weird how Gretorp's sc2 career turned out.
eh, I didn't expect him to be a power house anyway.
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Gretorpppp. Win next MLG for me! <3
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I think this is a good decision for gretorp, I don't think he has time to be a professional player while dealing with NASL but enough time to coach. Congrats to itsgosu for acquiring him.
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gratz andre!
he is definitely one of the most knowledgeable people we have about the game, he is a great coach and has helped me personally a ton, glad his talents will be put to good use!
<3
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Yeah gratz, man. You might consider giving up your NASL caster spot now so other casters get a chance to relaunch NASL from scratch on.
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I wonder why itsgosu thinks it needs the publicity. I suppose it has failed to break into the upper echelon of teams, but I still can't put my finger on why they think now is the time to make the push.
I'm also interested in whether Gretorp will actually do any coaching. Probably not, but it would be neat to see a team try to use one of their promoters for something else.
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On December 08 2011 02:43 -_- wrote:
I wonder why itsgosu thinks it needs the publicity. I suppose it has failed to break into the upper echelon of teams, but I still can't put my finger on why they think now is the time to make the push.
I'm also interested in whether Gretorp will actually do any coaching. Probably not, but it would be neat to see a team try to use one of their promoters for something else.
To be honest, they didn't make much of a splash back when they were All4One, with It's Gosu, I think they're trying a bit more to make an impact.
I think it's worked on some level.
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Good job and good luck Gretorp!
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On December 08 2011 02:42 TensaiSakuragi wrote:
Yeah gratz, man. You might consider giving up your NASL caster spot now so other casters get a chance to relaunch NASL from scratch on.
Wtf? Get out.
Grats Andre & team gosu, hope this works out for the both of you ~~
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Congratulations, Gretorp! I've been a fan of yours since SC:BW, and you definitely deserve this opportunity. GL HF
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On December 08 2011 00:58 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Congratz!!!! This is awesome! Congratz both of you ! : )!
If sheth is saying its great then thats all the convincing I need to think that its some epic shit man :DD
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On December 08 2011 02:42 TensaiSakuragi wrote:
Yeah gratz, man. You might consider giving up your NASL caster spot now so other casters get a chance to relaunch NASL from scratch on.
No. Just no. Hating on a thread that is supposed to be congratulating Andre isn't cool.
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I thought it's gosu disbanded. Am I thinking of another team?
edit: ah, gosugamers, not it's gosu
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I'm so really happy.......T_T
GRETORP!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Congratulations to Gretorp and best of luck to you sir!
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Congratulations Gretorp! I hope it works out.
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Seems like a good fit for Gretorp! Gratz to him and ItsGosu!
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Holy guacamole! Really happy for Gretorp.
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Welcome Gretorp to the team :D!
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That's... pretty gosu yo'!
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That's actually pretty neat, Gretorp doesn't get to show it very often but he is a very analytical player. I think he'll be able to add some very valuable insight in this new role. gl hf GRETORP!
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Great news!! awesome for both Gretorp and It's Gosu. Work 'em hard Gretorp!!
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Super cool. I love Gretorp <3
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coach pokebunny to championship now
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wasn't expecting that one, glhf
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thats cool <3 gretorp
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On December 08 2011 02:43 -_- wrote:
I wonder why itsgosu thinks it needs the publicity. I suppose it has failed to break into the upper echelon of teams, but I still can't put my finger on why they think now is the time to make the push.
I'm also interested in whether Gretorp will actually do any coaching. Probably not, but it would be neat to see a team try to use one of their promoters for something else.
Reading this post again, it sound more negative than I meant it to be. That said, I think the Starcraft 2 community is very interested in the idea of coaches. If Gretorp is actually a coach, they should create a ton of video content where Gretorp is coaching members of the team. What would that even look like? I'd be interested.
If they don't, everyone in the Starcraft 2 community is savvy enough to realize that it was a publicity stunt.
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Hurray to It's Gosu, for a now extremely overdeveloped infrastructure!
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Awwwwwww, yeaaah!
Im sure Gretorp is going to be a great coach. His knowledge of the game goes pretty deep.
GoSu Fighting!
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congratulation, hoping it pays out (meant not cash wise!).
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On December 08 2011 05:05 -_- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 02:43 -_- wrote:
I wonder why itsgosu thinks it needs the publicity. I suppose it has failed to break into the upper echelon of teams, but I still can't put my finger on why they think now is the time to make the push.
I'm also interested in whether Gretorp will actually do any coaching. Probably not, but it would be neat to see a team try to use one of their promoters for something else. Reading this post again, it sound more negative than I meant it to be. That said, I think the Starcraft 2 community is very interested in the idea of coaches. If Gretorp is actually a coach, they should create a ton of video content where Gretorp is coaching members of the team. What would that even look like? I'd be interested. If they don't, everyone in the Starcraft 2 community is savvy enough to realize that it was a publicity stunt.
What does this even mean? Also, I struggle to find posts from you that aren't negative.
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Congrats Gretorp. Best of luck to you.
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I hope this means Gretorp will be abdicating his NASL casting to focus on It's Gosu coaching.
(Egregious back handed compliment)
GL to all involved.
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YAY FOR GRETORP!!!
Keep going strong man! The NASL casting, the playing, keep it up!
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Dude, it's gonna be WeRRa all over again...
Wonder if this is going to impact his time spent practicing his casting skills for the NASL. Also, I've always felt that haveing a caster who's on one of the teams is a little like having chobopeon do unbiased reporting on EG. It creates a conflict of interest.
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I've been waiting for a top team to do this. I know there are a lot of differences between a foreign and korean pro team and coaching is much less effective for a foreign team... but I think this could really help with their results.
Good luck guys.
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On December 08 2011 05:18 rapidtransit247 wrote:
Dude, it's gonna be WeRRa all over again...
Wonder if this is going to impact his time spent practicing his casting skills for the NASL. Also, I've always felt that haveing a caster who's on one of the teams is a little like having chobopeon do unbiased reporting on EG. It creates a conflict of interest.
Meh... most castors have some sort of conflict of interest.
Ex: Artosis was a member of Sixjax for a point in time. Tasteless was a member of EG. It happens and I don't think it's that big a deal. Everyone's biased in some respect.
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On December 07 2011 23:27 gruff wrote:
Nice, hope it works out for all. Will he continue casting or is this his full time job now?
I hope that's the case. Not trying to bash Orbtorp but I feel like NASL S2 could have been much better in the caster department. At least the Finals weren't that bad.
I think my issue with the NASL was more the regular season format than the casting of Orbtorp, but I still feel like NASL could have been greatly improved from a casting standpoint, not necessarily calling Gretorp bad or anything.
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On December 08 2011 05:08 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 05:05 -_- wrote:On December 08 2011 02:43 -_- wrote:
I wonder why itsgosu thinks it needs the publicity. I suppose it has failed to break into the upper echelon of teams, but I still can't put my finger on why they think now is the time to make the push.
I'm also interested in whether Gretorp will actually do any coaching. Probably not, but it would be neat to see a team try to use one of their promoters for something else. Reading this post again, it sound more negative than I meant it to be. That said, I think the Starcraft 2 community is very interested in the idea of coaches. If Gretorp is actually a coach, they should create a ton of video content where Gretorp is coaching members of the team. What would that even look like? I'd be interested. If they don't, everyone in the Starcraft 2 community is savvy enough to realize that it was a publicity stunt. What does this even mean? Also, I struggle to find posts from you that aren't negative.
Sometimes organizations try to affiliate themselves with a caster for publicity. For example, according to different members of sixjax, when Artosis became a member of that team, he didn't actually do much. Sixjax simply wanted Artosis as a member to raise its profile. If you've followed the scene, you've likely noticed a rash of casters being hired by teams without any set duties or any evidence that they do any work.
As for what I said about being a coach, if you read Reddit or Teamliquid.net, I'm sure you've seen several posts asking why foreign teams don't have coaches. Without a doubt people are interested. However, at different times players and managers of prominent teams like TL and EG have said that coaches would not mesh well with Western Esports teams (as opposed to Korean Teams).
A few points those people brought up include:
1) The coach would not be respected. In Korea, if a legend like Boxer with championships and lots of experience gives you advice, the players would listen. Outside of Korea, however, the few legendary players have retired and moved on to other things (with the notable exception of Mondragon). Why should a player listen Gretorp if A) he's a better SC2 player than him now, and B) he was a better BW or WC3 player than him in the past? What can he offer? Or rather, what would the player think he could offer?
2) Culturally, as a general matter, Koreans have proven to be better at submitting to authority than Americans and Europeans, at least in an esports context. Certainly, everyone has obeyed a coach at some point in their life, but Koreans have experience listening to Esports coaches. If a Coach told, for example, Stephano to switch away from a mass ling infestor style would he simply shut up and listen to him?
3) Finally, for a coach to be effective, he would have to dedicate quite a bit of time. Can teams afford to pay a coach enough money for him to focus long enough on coaching for the investment to be worth it?
Considering those difficulties, I would be extremely interested in watching Gretorp coach. And I doubt I'd be alone. That's what I meant by my previous post.
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On December 08 2011 05:21 DoomsVille wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 05:18 rapidtransit247 wrote:
Dude, it's gonna be WeRRa all over again...
Wonder if this is going to impact his time spent practicing his casting skills for the NASL. Also, I've always felt that haveing a caster who's on one of the teams is a little like having chobopeon do unbiased reporting on EG. It creates a conflict of interest. Meh... most castors have some sort of conflict of interest. Ex: Artosis was a member of Sixjax for a point in time. Tasteless was a member of EG. It happens and I don't think it's that big a deal. Everyone's biased in some respect.
It's only a conflict of interest if you can't separate your two commitments. When Tasteless was on EG for a short period, he'd give the most forced EG plugs ever, you might even call it... tasteless. It would be like "oh BY the way, I'm on team EG and its awesome," etc. If Gretorp doesn't go around wearing ItsGosu t-shirts during NASL broadcasts and constantly plugging it, then it's totally cool.
A caster should remain as neutral as possible when working -- if he's affiliated with a team or something it's totally alright as long as he knows how to keep those two interests separate. I'm confident Andre will be able to do that!
<3
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On December 08 2011 05:43 -_- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 05:08 Xeris wrote:On December 08 2011 05:05 -_- wrote:On December 08 2011 02:43 -_- wrote:
I wonder why itsgosu thinks it needs the publicity. I suppose it has failed to break into the upper echelon of teams, but I still can't put my finger on why they think now is the time to make the push.
I'm also interested in whether Gretorp will actually do any coaching. Probably not, but it would be neat to see a team try to use one of their promoters for something else. Reading this post again, it sound more negative than I meant it to be. That said, I think the Starcraft 2 community is very interested in the idea of coaches. If Gretorp is actually a coach, they should create a ton of video content where Gretorp is coaching members of the team. What would that even look like? I'd be interested. If they don't, everyone in the Starcraft 2 community is savvy enough to realize that it was a publicity stunt. What does this even mean? Also, I struggle to find posts from you that aren't negative. Sometimes organizations try to affiliate themselves with a caster for publicity. For example, according to different members of sixjax, when Artosis became a member of that team, he didn't actually do much. Sixjax simply wanted Artosis as a member to raise its profile. If you've followed the scene, you've likely noticed a rash of casters being hired by teams without any set duties or any evidence that they do any work. As for what I said about being a coach, if you read Reddit or Teamliquid.net, I'm sure you've seen several posts asking why foreign teams don't have coaches. Without a doubt people are interested. However, at different times players and managers of prominent teams like TL and EG have said that coaches would not mesh well with Western Esports teams (as opposed to Korean Teams). A few points those people brought up include: 1) The coach would not be respected. In Korea, if a legend like Boxer with championships and lots of experience gives you advice, the players would listen. Outside of Korea, however, the few legendary players have retired and moved on to other things (with the notable exception of Mondragon). Why should a player listen Gretorp if A) he's a better SC2 player than him now, and B) he was a better BW or WC3 player than him in the past? What can he offer? Or rather, what would the player think he could offer? 2) Culturally, as a general matter, Koreans have proven to be better at submitting to authority than Americans and Europeans, at least in an esports context. Certainly, everyone has obeyed a coach at some point in their life, but Koreans have experience listening to Esports coaches. If a Coach told, for example, Stephano to switch away from a mass ling infestor style would he simply shut up and listen to him? 3) Finally, for a coach to be effective, he would have to dedicate quite a bit of time. Can teams afford to pay a coach enough money for him to focus long enough on coaching for the investment to be worth it? Considering those difficulties, I would be extremely interested in watching Gretorp coach. And I doubt I'd be alone. That's what I meant by my previous post.
Of course the effectiveness of a SC2 coach outside of Korea is questionable, and rightfully so. However, just because it might not actually be effective doesn't mean it's just for publicity. It could be, don't get me wrong... but saying, "unless they really make good content that shows Gretorp is actually doing a lot of coaching it's just a publicity stunt," is really shallow.
I personally think a coach CAN be effective, and it will take the right group of people. I do NOT think, for example, Gretorp could coach someone like Stephano. I think it can work in this particular instance, because the ItsGosu players aren't prima-donnas and don't have the same ego as top level players (obviously someone like Stephano, IdrA, etc, will never seriously listen to coaching from Gretorp). They are young enough and familiar enough with Gretorp that I think they will take his advice seriously.
So ya, even if it doesn't work out, and he doesn't really do much, I don't think it's fair to say that it's just a publicity stunt. Gretorp is part of the ItsGosu family, whether his role plays out the way they envision it is a different story~
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Grats Gretorp but. I still dislike you
Hope to see some good thigns from its gosu next year
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On December 08 2011 05:18 rapidtransit247 wrote:
Dude, it's gonna be WeRRa all over again...
I hope that wasn't meant to be as horribly inappropriate as I understood it to be...
Good luck to It's Gosu and Gretorp. I'm sure he'll be a great coach if he has enough time to dedicate to coaching.
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On December 08 2011 06:03 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 05:43 -_- wrote:On December 08 2011 05:08 Xeris wrote:On December 08 2011 05:05 -_- wrote:On December 08 2011 02:43 -_- wrote:
I wonder why itsgosu thinks it needs the publicity. I suppose it has failed to break into the upper echelon of teams, but I still can't put my finger on why they think now is the time to make the push.
I'm also interested in whether Gretorp will actually do any coaching. Probably not, but it would be neat to see a team try to use one of their promoters for something else. Reading this post again, it sound more negative than I meant it to be. That said, I think the Starcraft 2 community is very interested in the idea of coaches. If Gretorp is actually a coach, they should create a ton of video content where Gretorp is coaching members of the team. What would that even look like? I'd be interested. If they don't, everyone in the Starcraft 2 community is savvy enough to realize that it was a publicity stunt. What does this even mean? Also, I struggle to find posts from you that aren't negative. Sometimes organizations try to affiliate themselves with a caster for publicity. For example, according to different members of sixjax, when Artosis became a member of that team, he didn't actually do much. Sixjax simply wanted Artosis as a member to raise its profile. If you've followed the scene, you've likely noticed a rash of casters being hired by teams without any set duties or any evidence that they do any work. As for what I said about being a coach, if you read Reddit or Teamliquid.net, I'm sure you've seen several posts asking why foreign teams don't have coaches. Without a doubt people are interested. However, at different times players and managers of prominent teams like TL and EG have said that coaches would not mesh well with Western Esports teams (as opposed to Korean Teams). A few points those people brought up include: 1) The coach would not be respected. In Korea, if a legend like Boxer with championships and lots of experience gives you advice, the players would listen. Outside of Korea, however, the few legendary players have retired and moved on to other things (with the notable exception of Mondragon). Why should a player listen Gretorp if A) he's a better SC2 player than him now, and B) he was a better BW or WC3 player than him in the past? What can he offer? Or rather, what would the player think he could offer? 2) Culturally, as a general matter, Koreans have proven to be better at submitting to authority than Americans and Europeans, at least in an esports context. Certainly, everyone has obeyed a coach at some point in their life, but Koreans have experience listening to Esports coaches. If a Coach told, for example, Stephano to switch away from a mass ling infestor style would he simply shut up and listen to him? 3) Finally, for a coach to be effective, he would have to dedicate quite a bit of time. Can teams afford to pay a coach enough money for him to focus long enough on coaching for the investment to be worth it? Considering those difficulties, I would be extremely interested in watching Gretorp coach. And I doubt I'd be alone. That's what I meant by my previous post. Of course the effectiveness of a SC2 coach outside of Korea is questionable, and rightfully so. However, just because it might not actually be effective doesn't mean it's just for publicity. It could be, don't get me wrong... but saying, "unless they really make good content that shows Gretorp is actually doing a lot of coaching it's just a publicity stunt," is really shallow. I personally think a coach CAN be effective, and it will take the right group of people. I do NOT think, for example, Gretorp could coach someone like Stephano. I think it can work in this particular instance, because the ItsGosu players aren't prima-donnas and don't have the same ego as top level players (obviously someone like Stephano, IdrA, etc, will never seriously listen to coaching from Gretorp). They are young enough and familiar enough with Gretorp that I think they will take his advice seriously. So ya, even if it doesn't work out, and he doesn't really do much, I don't think it's fair to say that it's just a publicity stunt. Gretorp is part of the ItsGosu family, whether his role plays out the way they envision it is a different story~
Another big duty I imagine a coach in Korea to have is - when you practise for a big upcoming match against a certain player - to find out everything about the game of that player, so that the players themselves can concentrate on their game, i,e, mechanics. However, this is not really needed in the western system. Especially in sc2, where there is so much information about the player on the market, having somebody dedicated to study your opponent is pretty valuable.
Regardless, I think a coach is a good decision. I am really curious what exaclty Gretorps duties will be.
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Fantastic choice by It's Gosu. Gretorp's friendly demeanor almost betrays how brilliant of an SC2 mind he really is! Behind that huggable giggly lad is an amazing strategist. I can't wait to see how it helps the It's Gosu crew! :D :D :D
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woot! sadly i think he is no longer going to cast NASL3(if there is one) 
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On December 08 2011 06:25 Day[9] wrote:
Fantastic choice by It's Gosu. Gretorp's friendly demeanor almost betrays how brilliant of an SC2 mind he really is! Behind that huggable giggly lad is an amazing strategist. I can't wait to see how it helps the It's Gosu crew! :D :D :D
Hey day9 you seem like a perfect coach have you ever considered coaching a team?
Anyways congratulations to gretorp with players like gatored, vibe, hwangsin and dde and now their own coach itsgosu look like a big name coming into 2012.
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On December 08 2011 06:34 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 06:25 Day[9] wrote:
Fantastic choice by It's Gosu. Gretorp's friendly demeanor almost betrays how brilliant of an SC2 mind he really is! Behind that huggable giggly lad is an amazing strategist. I can't wait to see how it helps the It's Gosu crew! :D :D :D Hey day9 you seem like a perfect coach have you ever considered coaching a team? Anyways congratulations to gretorp with players like gatored, vibe, hwangsin and dde and now their own coach itsgosu look like a big name coming into 2012.
Day9 will probably make a perfect multiple things in SC2 (caster, player, coach), he just can't be everywhere at once.
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Day[9] Has nowhere near enough free time to coach a team. He barely has time to do what he's doing now, especially with the huge number of events he's been casting.
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Great choice by It's Gosu! I hope it works out!
I've been a big fan of gretorp ever since some of his bw analysis work. The dude knows his stuff.
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This totally confused me until i realized that it was the other "gosu" team that disbanded. Whew. GL Gretorp!
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i'm still not entirely sure what team coaches do in sc2. it almost seems like an honorary title for players who wont be playing as much but still want to contribute to the team in suggesting strategy or helping players develop builds. i'm thinking of former players like ogsthewind. is this the basic idea? gretorp is so well known though it's almost like the team gets a brand when they hire him.
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Hell yeah <333 go go andre bear!
Remember your first team
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On December 08 2011 02:43 -_- wrote:
I wonder why itsgosu thinks it needs the publicity. I suppose it has failed to break into the upper echelon of teams, but I still can't put my finger on why they think now is the time to make the push.
I'm also interested in whether Gretorp will actually do any coaching. Probably not, but it would be neat to see a team try to use one of their promoters for something else.
You might be underestimating the power of a coach. It's obviously not the same scale, but when Gretorp coached the Princeton CSL team a couple years ago, we were able to take down teams FAR superior to our own (Duke, whose lineup featured coL.rsvp and Liquid`Tyler). Preparation, yo.
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wonder what Hwangsin thinks about that :D
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Good for Gretorp and It's Gosu. I really felt bad for Gretorp, taking all the hate that he did during NASL for his casting. Maybe he was not as entertaining as Husky and Day9 or HD and Painuser, but you could see he was trying his best and focusing on the technicalities of the game.
Coach Gretorp...good ring to it.
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How does coaching work? Is he sponsored by It's Gosu (gear/travel-wise) now, or is like an actual job with salary?
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On December 08 2011 07:11 BoggieMan wrote:
wonder what Hwangsin thinks about that :D
No matter how much I read about Hwangsin i always think about Hwasin, haha.
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Congrats Gretorp! This is so cool.
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AWESOME~~ this reminds me of back in the day of USA B team xD we dominate~ but this time, he's our coach :D
Congrats on joining our team and welcome
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On December 08 2011 06:34 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 06:25 Day[9] wrote:
Fantastic choice by It's Gosu. Gretorp's friendly demeanor almost betrays how brilliant of an SC2 mind he really is! Behind that huggable giggly lad is an amazing strategist. I can't wait to see how it helps the It's Gosu crew! :D :D :D Hey day9 you seem like a perfect coach have you ever considered coaching a team? Anyways congratulations to gretorp with players like gatored, vibe, hwangsin and dde and now their own coach itsgosu look like a big name coming into 2012.
Day[9] does not need a job as a coach. He already coaches the whole freaking community.
As for the article, congratulations to both It's Gosu and Gretorp! It's Gosu is really starting to shape up to be a serious competetive team.
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Well everyone on Its Gosu is going to start getting turret rnage + building armor
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I'm so happy about this. Andre is going to be able to help our players continue to grow so much! Thanks for all the kind wishes from everyone 
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Now i have a reason to root for iG
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Hooray! Does this mean he's retiring from casting?
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No way, Andre is 100 percent continuing to cast Nothing is changing from what he is currently commited to doing!
On December 08 2011 07:50 aaronthebaron80 wrote:
Hooray! Does this mean he's retiring from casting?
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On December 08 2011 07:07 hazelynut wrote:Hell yeah <333 go go andre bear! Remember your first team
LighT
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On December 08 2011 07:52 RuMCaKe wrote:No way, Andre is 100 percent continuing to cast Nothing is changing from what he is currently commited to doing! Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 07:50 aaronthebaron80 wrote:
Hooray! Does this mean he's retiring from casting?
It's the coach's duty to attend all the tournaments, so Gretorp's heading to Fullerton next weekend?
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Awesome, grats Gretorp!
He is an awesome dude.
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Heck, I root for gretorp!
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Don't go easy on them Gretorp!
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It's great to have Gretorp aboard It's Gosu. Being able to talk to him about his views of Starcraft 2 and eSports has been an education. Can't wait to see how this help shape the future of Team Gosu.
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everytime I see gretorp I think of Aziz Ansari!
also BOOBS 4 GRETORP gl coaching, man.
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Outside of Korea I find hard to imagine a current top player being receptive to the advice of a caster just because he was appointed coach. That role is more fit to build that culture from the ground up at something like the coL Academy.
This is about PR like Artosis was to sixjax, and it's good at that. Hope it does well!
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Grats gretorp!
Guess you won't be playing much but then again you weren't anyways :\
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I don't really understand the role of "coach" for an online team. Seems more like just a figurehead role and to get a friend on the payroll, especially if they are already very busy and have another job (casting). I mean in all honesty, from what I've heard, Artosis did not do much with checksix except try to tell Major to behave once in a while. It's completely different than having a team house with a coach living in with you helping everyone out everyday, in house full time coaches are very important to korean success. However, coaching at least suits him better in theory as he is pretty smart. I was hoping this meant he was stepping down from casting to be honest but good luck anyway, sorry for being a hater, just being honest and not like my opinion matters anyway.
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We look forward to showing this opinion to be incorrect
On December 08 2011 08:48 Soap wrote:Outside of Korea I find hard to imagine a current top player being receptive to the advice of a caster just because he was appointed coach. That role is more fit to build that culture from the ground up at something like the coL Academy. This is about PR like Artosis was to sixjax, and it's good at that. Hope it does well!
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On December 08 2011 07:53 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 07:07 hazelynut wrote:Hell yeah <333 go go andre bear! Remember your first team LighT
F U
Remember the first team you coached, Andre :D
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Just to let you know, this is not PR garbage. I plan on working closely with the players and they know that too. If i feel I can't do my duties correct, I will withdraw. I don't see that as an option though. I want this to succeed and I want the scene to see that there is a need for coaches.
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Grats to Gretorp and ItsGosu!!!
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Good luck It's Gosu
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On December 08 2011 09:18 Gretorp wrote:
Just to let you know, this is not PR garbage. I plan on working closely with the players and they know that too. If i feel I can't do my duties correct, I will withdraw. I don't see that as an option though. I want this to succeed and I want the scene to see that there is a need for coaches.
Best of luck Gretorp, I'm sure you'll do great as a player and coach!
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I don't like this team anymore just because of Gretorp joining, I can't stand him at all. It's probably just me but I hate his voice and the way he looks and everything. Makes me cringe.
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On December 08 2011 09:49 coleykamoley wrote:
I don't like this team anymore just because of Gretorp joining, I can't stand him at all. It's probably just me but I hate his voice and the way he looks and everything. Makes me cringe.
yea, it's just you
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Hopefully the team just got a little less cheesy!~
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Congrats Gretorp! but i have a question, on the roster why is MajOr or WinDY not included?
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"Given the fact that his career includes time spent as both a top player and leading analytical caster" - Sorry no offence but I have never heard of this guy before, only as a caster. When was he a top player lol?
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On December 08 2011 09:18 Gretorp wrote:
Just to let you know, this is not PR garbage. I plan on working closely with the players and they know that too. If i feel I can't do my duties correct, I will withdraw. I don't see that as an option though. I want this to succeed and I want the scene to see that there is a need for coaches.
I wish you the best then, if there's anyone in ESPORTS who deserves to succeed it's you man. I have good memories of discussing strategy on your stream chat back in beta.
Do you plan to produce something to serve as example/framework to teams or aspiring coaches about what you do? A blog perhaps? Would be great since a lot of people in the thread (and surely in the teams too) can't even picture what a coach is for.
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Will he still attend to MLGs?
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Wow, I am glad to hear those news because it made me realize that the "gosu" team that shut down earlier this week wasn't It's Gosu.
Best of luck to gretorp and the rest of the crew!
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On December 08 2011 09:18 Gretorp wrote:
Just to let you know, this is not PR garbage. I plan on working closely with the players and they know that too. If i feel I can't do my duties correct, I will withdraw. I don't see that as an option though. I want this to succeed and I want the scene to see that there is a need for coaches.
I'm really glad you felt the need to post this. The need for serious coaching and team management seems to be a little bit of a joke in a North America; can't wait to see the results IG starts to post.
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Great news for Gretorp, hope he enjoys and will do best to achieve his new goals (little sorry for the next: I wish you the best, even if I didn't like your casting :/ ). And to everyone who thinks esport teams dont need coaches cause the players can coach themselves: ask yourself why Koreans stomp the living shit out of every foreigner when both sides are at their best (and if this is not enough w8 a little while until the real heavyweights of BW show up in Top-Shape -> this will be no fun for the Foreign Scene).
Professional Sport Teams need Coaches, and good Training isnt just laddering whole day and practise 2-3 weeks with few ppl you know before a big offline-Event. Watch Korean Pros just one Day doing real training; focussing on their weaknesses, analysing them with their coaches and try to fix them in teamwork (with coach, with A/B-Teamers that help A-Teamers improve and so on...). SC2 Scene is young, and foreign teams have the chance to keep up with the Korean Powerhouses that will grow even stronger in the near future. But the Chance is near zero if no one takes it serious and everyone is like "Oh jea, Koreans will win 50-60% of all tourneys, there is enough money left for the Players in my team". They will grab it all because they wanna make money, and sooner or later a shitton of stable, strong Korean players will hit the Scene like a bus...
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This is great; best of luck to Andre and ItsGosu!
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On December 08 2011 10:04 Levski wrote:
"Given the fact that his career includes time spent as both a top player and leading analytical caster" - Sorry no offence but I have never heard of this guy before, only as a caster. When was he a top player lol?
Early release, beta, SC1? ...
Gretorp has been really good for a while.
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Grats gretorp :D
can't wait to see what you bring to the team!
and remember to share the love - you'll make the rest of the team jealous if only hwangsin can sit on your lap.
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On December 08 2011 10:04 Levski wrote:
"Given the fact that his career includes time spent as both a top player and leading analytical caster" - Sorry no offence but I have never heard of this guy before, only as a caster. When was he a top player lol?
I'd like to point you to this thread, which details his tournament results while he was still an active player, not including Brood War, and analytic things he has done in the past, including Day[9] dailies based on his play.
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Gretorp be a better team coach than Artosis for SixJax!
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Congrats Gretorp! I'm a big fan and I know you'll do a great job
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On December 08 2011 12:41 -orb- wrote:
This is great; best of luck to Andre and ItsGosu!
My thoughts exactly! I very much believe that Gretorp will help show how vital a role team coach's can play for the teams, especially in NA, where they are mostly non-existent. Best of luck!
PS: It was a pleasure meeting you guys at the NASL, congratulations on a job well done!
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Congrats gretorp and itsgosu.
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Good luck Gretorp! Teach those other teams what having a coach really means!
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Congrats, hope its gosu gets better tournament results now
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While I don't doubt Gretorp's ability and resolve, I think it's a lot more difficult to coach a team that's spread out all over the place rather than all living in the same apartment.
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nice pickup,
after collecting DOA, this is the next step to win the world championships of horrible casting!
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Congrats to all involved and all the best moving forward
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Long time fan of Gretorp ever since those HBR days.
Hope all goes well for him, best of luck!
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Congrats Gretorp! Good luck man
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huge congrats and good luck - I really hope to see Coaching become more standard in the Western scene
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He's a perfect guy for a coach... can play at a high level, very smart analysis, and has the best starcraft memory hands down.... that dude can recall every move every player has ever made in a torunament game, name the series, game, tournament.... invaluable for training players for specific matchups.
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ill always be a fan of gretorp
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On December 08 2011 16:37 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
While I don't doubt Gretorp's ability and resolve, I think it's a lot more difficult to coach a team that's spread out all over the place rather than all living in the same apartment.
This is most definitely true but that doesn't mean it can't be done. While it is true he can't watch over their shoulders all the time, luckily all you need these days is Skype and remote access to go through a reply with somebody. Having an analytical guy to systematically analyze your replays with can be a great help in seeing and improving your weaknesses. Or going over the replays of your next opponent to analyze his play style / weaknesses for that matter.
On top of that a coach can provide a lot of support / comfort when he's around on the live tournaments (aside from talking with you about your last / next game obviously). He can take care of a lot of little things so you as a player don't need to think about them and can fully focus on your next match.
So yeah although it's a lot harder as in Korea, if you have a team that accepts such a coach, he could provide additional value imo. If it is enough to validate this decision we will just have to wait and see.
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Wonder if he'll keep calling Hwangsin "Queso Boy".. :D
Good move though. Gosu is getting immensely stronger every time they announce something.
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Congrats! All the luck and good fortune.
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gl Gretorp, always liked you bro!
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Great move for him, hes a fucking brilliant player, and should really lend himself to the team well :D
just wish he'd go back to playing or at least streaming ladder D: </3
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Congrats and good luck to you Gretorp.
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Cant really see the point in a coach in something that isnt a team house environment, all the best to him regardless.
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On December 09 2011 16:04 Warpath wrote:
Great move for him, hes a fucking brilliant player, and should really lend himself to the team well :D
just wish he'd go back to playing or at least streaming ladder D: </3
He was a brilliant player, I guess after casting for so long and with it being such a time commitment he isnt as good as he once was. Shame really, the same way that im sure geoff would be doing as good as he did at 2011 dallas if he didnt do that stint in casting
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On December 10 2011 08:31 Geordie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 16:04 Warpath wrote:
Great move for him, hes a fucking brilliant player, and should really lend himself to the team well :D
just wish he'd go back to playing or at least streaming ladder D: </3 He was a brilliant player, I guess after casting for so long and with it being such a time commitment he isnt as good as he once was. Shame really, the same way that im sure geoff would be doing as good as he did at 2011 dallas if he didnt do that stint in casting
I remember Gretorp streaming with Kawaiirice and giving him a hard time about how bad his macro was... it was his factory/starport timing being off with his barrack's reactor making... It was GODLIKE.
Surely we're not the only ones who applaud his decision to become a coach... but are also disappointed that we'll never see ultimate 21 minute timings again T.T
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On December 10 2011 09:16 ShatterZer0 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 08:31 Geordie wrote:On December 09 2011 16:04 Warpath wrote:
Great move for him, hes a fucking brilliant player, and should really lend himself to the team well :D
just wish he'd go back to playing or at least streaming ladder D: </3 He was a brilliant player, I guess after casting for so long and with it being such a time commitment he isnt as good as he once was. Shame really, the same way that im sure geoff would be doing as good as he did at 2011 dallas if he didnt do that stint in casting I remember Gretorp streaming with Kawaiirice and giving him a hard time about how bad his macro was... it was his factory/starport timing being off with his barrack's reactor making... It was GODLIKE. Surely we're not the only ones who applaud his decision to become a coach... but are also disappointed that we'll never see ultimate 21 minute timings again T.T
you mean the his BW-stratgey where it takes exactly 21 minutes for the vespen gas to get exhausted? haha, i heard him saying that a year ago on geoff's stream (or was it nasl the early days?).
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Gretorp! Goodluck broski!!
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im pretty sure i saw rambo kill gretorp in a movie
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Congratulations to Gretorp. It's Gosu leave the impression of a serious organisation and Gretorp is a very good choice for a coach, so that's great new for everyone involved.
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Congrats Gretorp. Perfect choice to become a coach, with all the knowledge you have.
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Congrats, you definitely fit the bill.
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Congrats Gretorp and congrats It's Gosu
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The best coaches were not always the best players when they played, and from your casting you seem to know a lot about how to think about strategy, so best of luck!
I wonder if It's Gosu is gonna announce a team house at some point, they've managers, a coach and a decent lineup with potential to grow a lot. All they need now is a team house imo.
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