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Gretorp joins It's Gosu as Team Coach - Page 6

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AGIANTSMURF
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1232 Posts
December 07 2011 19:57 GMT
#101
coach pokebunny to championship now
Thats "Grand-Master" SMURF to you.....
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
December 07 2011 19:58 GMT
#102
wasn't expecting that one, glhf
ROOTdrewbie
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1392 Posts
December 07 2011 20:02 GMT
#103
thats cool <3 gretorp
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-_-
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
December 07 2011 20:05 GMT
#104
On December 08 2011 02:43 -_- wrote:
I wonder why itsgosu thinks it needs the publicity. I suppose it has failed to break into the upper echelon of teams, but I still can't put my finger on why they think now is the time to make the push.

I'm also interested in whether Gretorp will actually do any coaching. Probably not, but it would be neat to see a team try to use one of their promoters for something else.


Reading this post again, it sound more negative than I meant it to be. That said, I think the Starcraft 2 community is very interested in the idea of coaches. If Gretorp is actually a coach, they should create a ton of video content where Gretorp is coaching members of the team. What would that even look like? I'd be interested.

If they don't, everyone in the Starcraft 2 community is savvy enough to realize that it was a publicity stunt.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
December 07 2011 20:05 GMT
#105
Hurray to It's Gosu, for a now extremely overdeveloped infrastructure!
Hasuu
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada178 Posts
December 07 2011 20:07 GMT
#106
Awwwwwww, yeaaah!

Im sure Gretorp is going to be a great coach. His knowledge of the game goes pretty deep.

GoSu Fighting!
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
December 07 2011 20:08 GMT
#107
congratulation, hoping it pays out (meant not cash wise!).
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
December 07 2011 20:08 GMT
#108
On December 08 2011 05:05 -_- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 02:43 -_- wrote:
I wonder why itsgosu thinks it needs the publicity. I suppose it has failed to break into the upper echelon of teams, but I still can't put my finger on why they think now is the time to make the push.

I'm also interested in whether Gretorp will actually do any coaching. Probably not, but it would be neat to see a team try to use one of their promoters for something else.


Reading this post again, it sound more negative than I meant it to be. That said, I think the Starcraft 2 community is very interested in the idea of coaches. If Gretorp is actually a coach, they should create a ton of video content where Gretorp is coaching members of the team. What would that even look like? I'd be interested.

If they don't, everyone in the Starcraft 2 community is savvy enough to realize that it was a publicity stunt.


What does this even mean? Also, I struggle to find posts from you that aren't negative.
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Kmonx
Profile Joined October 2011
United States102 Posts
December 07 2011 20:09 GMT
#109
Congrats Gretorp. Best of luck to you.
"Megapigs can fly, with Void Rays in the sky." - Day[9]
IPA
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3206 Posts
December 07 2011 20:14 GMT
#110
I hope this means Gretorp will be abdicating his NASL casting to focus on It's Gosu coaching.

(Egregious back handed compliment)

GL to all involved.
Time held me green and dying though I sang in my chains like the sea.
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37055 Posts
December 07 2011 20:15 GMT
#111
YAY FOR GRETORP!!!

Keep going strong man! The NASL casting, the playing, keep it up!
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RAPiDCasting
Profile Joined July 2009
Korea (South)594 Posts
December 07 2011 20:18 GMT
#112
Dude, it's gonna be WeRRa all over again...

Wonder if this is going to impact his time spent practicing his casting skills for the NASL. Also, I've always felt that haveing a caster who's on one of the teams is a little like having chobopeon do unbiased reporting on EG. It creates a conflict of interest.
The faster caster. @RAPiDCasting
DoomsVille
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada4885 Posts
December 07 2011 20:19 GMT
#113
I've been waiting for a top team to do this. I know there are a lot of differences between a foreign and korean pro team and coaching is much less effective for a foreign team... but I think this could really help with their results.

Good luck guys.
DoomsVille
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada4885 Posts
December 07 2011 20:21 GMT
#114
On December 08 2011 05:18 rapidtransit247 wrote:
Dude, it's gonna be WeRRa all over again...

Wonder if this is going to impact his time spent practicing his casting skills for the NASL. Also, I've always felt that haveing a caster who's on one of the teams is a little like having chobopeon do unbiased reporting on EG. It creates a conflict of interest.

Meh... most castors have some sort of conflict of interest.

Ex: Artosis was a member of Sixjax for a point in time. Tasteless was a member of EG. It happens and I don't think it's that big a deal. Everyone's biased in some respect.
Clbull
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1439 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-07 20:22:34
December 07 2011 20:21 GMT
#115
On December 07 2011 23:27 gruff wrote:
Nice, hope it works out for all. Will he continue casting or is this his full time job now?

I hope that's the case. Not trying to bash Orbtorp but I feel like NASL S2 could have been much better in the caster department. At least the Finals weren't that bad.

I think my issue with the NASL was more the regular season format than the casting of Orbtorp, but I still feel like NASL could have been greatly improved from a casting standpoint, not necessarily calling Gretorp bad or anything.
-_-
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-07 20:44:32
December 07 2011 20:43 GMT
#116
On December 08 2011 05:08 Xeris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 05:05 -_- wrote:
On December 08 2011 02:43 -_- wrote:
I wonder why itsgosu thinks it needs the publicity. I suppose it has failed to break into the upper echelon of teams, but I still can't put my finger on why they think now is the time to make the push.

I'm also interested in whether Gretorp will actually do any coaching. Probably not, but it would be neat to see a team try to use one of their promoters for something else.


Reading this post again, it sound more negative than I meant it to be. That said, I think the Starcraft 2 community is very interested in the idea of coaches. If Gretorp is actually a coach, they should create a ton of video content where Gretorp is coaching members of the team. What would that even look like? I'd be interested.

If they don't, everyone in the Starcraft 2 community is savvy enough to realize that it was a publicity stunt.


What does this even mean? Also, I struggle to find posts from you that aren't negative.


Sometimes organizations try to affiliate themselves with a caster for publicity. For example, according to different members of sixjax, when Artosis became a member of that team, he didn't actually do much. Sixjax simply wanted Artosis as a member to raise its profile. If you've followed the scene, you've likely noticed a rash of casters being hired by teams without any set duties or any evidence that they do any work.

As for what I said about being a coach, if you read Reddit or Teamliquid.net, I'm sure you've seen several posts asking why foreign teams don't have coaches. Without a doubt people are interested. However, at different times players and managers of prominent teams like TL and EG have said that coaches would not mesh well with Western Esports teams (as opposed to Korean Teams).

A few points those people brought up include:

1) The coach would not be respected. In Korea, if a legend like Boxer with championships and lots of experience gives you advice, the players would listen. Outside of Korea, however, the few legendary players have retired and moved on to other things (with the notable exception of Mondragon). Why should a player listen Gretorp if A) he's a better SC2 player than him now, and B) he was a better BW or WC3 player than him in the past? What can he offer? Or rather, what would the player think he could offer?

2) Culturally, as a general matter, Koreans have proven to be better at submitting to authority than Americans and Europeans, at least in an esports context. Certainly, everyone has obeyed a coach at some point in their life, but Koreans have experience listening to Esports coaches. If a Coach told, for example, Stephano to switch away from a mass ling infestor style would he simply shut up and listen to him?

3) Finally, for a coach to be effective, he would have to dedicate quite a bit of time. Can teams afford to pay a coach enough money for him to focus long enough on coaching for the investment to be worth it?

Considering those difficulties, I would be extremely interested in watching Gretorp coach. And I doubt I'd be alone. That's what I meant by my previous post.
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
December 07 2011 20:50 GMT
#117
On December 08 2011 05:21 DoomsVille wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 05:18 rapidtransit247 wrote:
Dude, it's gonna be WeRRa all over again...

Wonder if this is going to impact his time spent practicing his casting skills for the NASL. Also, I've always felt that haveing a caster who's on one of the teams is a little like having chobopeon do unbiased reporting on EG. It creates a conflict of interest.

Meh... most castors have some sort of conflict of interest.

Ex: Artosis was a member of Sixjax for a point in time. Tasteless was a member of EG. It happens and I don't think it's that big a deal. Everyone's biased in some respect.


It's only a conflict of interest if you can't separate your two commitments. When Tasteless was on EG for a short period, he'd give the most forced EG plugs ever, you might even call it... tasteless. It would be like "oh BY the way, I'm on team EG and its awesome," etc. If Gretorp doesn't go around wearing ItsGosu t-shirts during NASL broadcasts and constantly plugging it, then it's totally cool.

A caster should remain as neutral as possible when working -- if he's affiliated with a team or something it's totally alright as long as he knows how to keep those two interests separate. I'm confident Andre will be able to do that!

<3
twitter.com/xerislight -- follow me~~
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
December 07 2011 21:03 GMT
#118
On December 08 2011 05:43 -_- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 05:08 Xeris wrote:
On December 08 2011 05:05 -_- wrote:
On December 08 2011 02:43 -_- wrote:
I wonder why itsgosu thinks it needs the publicity. I suppose it has failed to break into the upper echelon of teams, but I still can't put my finger on why they think now is the time to make the push.

I'm also interested in whether Gretorp will actually do any coaching. Probably not, but it would be neat to see a team try to use one of their promoters for something else.


Reading this post again, it sound more negative than I meant it to be. That said, I think the Starcraft 2 community is very interested in the idea of coaches. If Gretorp is actually a coach, they should create a ton of video content where Gretorp is coaching members of the team. What would that even look like? I'd be interested.

If they don't, everyone in the Starcraft 2 community is savvy enough to realize that it was a publicity stunt.


What does this even mean? Also, I struggle to find posts from you that aren't negative.


Sometimes organizations try to affiliate themselves with a caster for publicity. For example, according to different members of sixjax, when Artosis became a member of that team, he didn't actually do much. Sixjax simply wanted Artosis as a member to raise its profile. If you've followed the scene, you've likely noticed a rash of casters being hired by teams without any set duties or any evidence that they do any work.

As for what I said about being a coach, if you read Reddit or Teamliquid.net, I'm sure you've seen several posts asking why foreign teams don't have coaches. Without a doubt people are interested. However, at different times players and managers of prominent teams like TL and EG have said that coaches would not mesh well with Western Esports teams (as opposed to Korean Teams).

A few points those people brought up include:

1) The coach would not be respected. In Korea, if a legend like Boxer with championships and lots of experience gives you advice, the players would listen. Outside of Korea, however, the few legendary players have retired and moved on to other things (with the notable exception of Mondragon). Why should a player listen Gretorp if A) he's a better SC2 player than him now, and B) he was a better BW or WC3 player than him in the past? What can he offer? Or rather, what would the player think he could offer?

2) Culturally, as a general matter, Koreans have proven to be better at submitting to authority than Americans and Europeans, at least in an esports context. Certainly, everyone has obeyed a coach at some point in their life, but Koreans have experience listening to Esports coaches. If a Coach told, for example, Stephano to switch away from a mass ling infestor style would he simply shut up and listen to him?

3) Finally, for a coach to be effective, he would have to dedicate quite a bit of time. Can teams afford to pay a coach enough money for him to focus long enough on coaching for the investment to be worth it?

Considering those difficulties, I would be extremely interested in watching Gretorp coach. And I doubt I'd be alone. That's what I meant by my previous post.


Of course the effectiveness of a SC2 coach outside of Korea is questionable, and rightfully so. However, just because it might not actually be effective doesn't mean it's just for publicity. It could be, don't get me wrong... but saying, "unless they really make good content that shows Gretorp is actually doing a lot of coaching it's just a publicity stunt," is really shallow.

I personally think a coach CAN be effective, and it will take the right group of people. I do NOT think, for example, Gretorp could coach someone like Stephano. I think it can work in this particular instance, because the ItsGosu players aren't prima-donnas and don't have the same ego as top level players (obviously someone like Stephano, IdrA, etc, will never seriously listen to coaching from Gretorp). They are young enough and familiar enough with Gretorp that I think they will take his advice seriously.

So ya, even if it doesn't work out, and he doesn't really do much, I don't think it's fair to say that it's just a publicity stunt. Gretorp is part of the ItsGosu family, whether his role plays out the way they envision it is a different story~
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NekoFlandre
Profile Joined March 2011
United States497 Posts
December 07 2011 21:04 GMT
#119
Grats Gretorp but. I still dislike you

Hope to see some good thigns from its gosu next year
Kitty Flandre....even more scary..
kochanfe
Profile Joined July 2011
Micronesia1338 Posts
December 07 2011 21:13 GMT
#120
Niiiiiiiiice
"The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long." - Lao Tzu
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