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KevinIX
Profile Joined October 2009
United States2472 Posts
December 09 2011 04:08 GMT
#461
Watching Fin play and I think that his APM is not what I expected. Everything he does looks very normal for a pro, and that's pretty surprising for me. It's his sick reaction time, precise unit control, and multitasking that makes him better than other pros. Fin makes SC2 look easy, and it gives me hope for becoming a good player someday.
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Ghrimnar
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany260 Posts
December 09 2011 04:08 GMT
#462
Crushing top with phenomenal timing/tactic. I am amazed.
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Serpico
Profile Joined May 2010
4285 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-09 04:09:58
December 09 2011 04:09 GMT
#463
On December 09 2011 13:08 KevinIX wrote:
Watching Fin play and I think that his APM is not what I expected. Everything he does looks very normal for a pro, and that's pretty surprising for me. It's his sick reaction time, precise unit control, and multitasking that makes him better than other pros. Fin makes SC2 look easy, and it gives me hope for becoming a good player someday.

He just seems to always know exactly what he's doing and executes it so well. It's like he's playing half asleep in a sense. Doesnt get rattled or thrown out of whack.
tubs
Profile Joined March 2010
764 Posts
December 09 2011 04:10 GMT
#464
Yeah it's pretty obvious if you compare his stream to ANY other SC2 stream. This guy is just on a whole other level. They need to make a code S+ or something above code S just for this guy. Absolutely steam rolling everybody like they were fresh outta Bronze league.
"Roach dies to immortal and rockit black guy" - Tierdal.thex
The Final Boss
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1839 Posts
December 09 2011 04:13 GMT
#465
On December 07 2011 04:58 Brosy wrote:
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On December 07 2011 04:55 Grend wrote:
Can't we just call him ForGG? Fin is just confusing :-)


I agree. Even when I see the brackets and see Fin, I think ForGG. He should change his name back :D. I bet he'll be picked in the last round of selections for code S next season.

Or MC will pull out his suicide toss tactics and pick him only to be brutally eliminated first round and get sent back to Code A.

But yeah, he'll probably get picked later unless somebody decides to get really cocky in the group selections.
K3Nyy
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1961 Posts
December 09 2011 04:14 GMT
#466
On December 09 2011 12:59 dgwow wrote:
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On December 09 2011 12:35 HardMacro wrote:
Ok seriously what the fuck. Does this guy ever lose? He curbs stomps even in TvT; gets hard countered opening banshees where his opponent opened with a viking, only to push into the other terran's natural 3 minutes later with marine/tank and sealing the game right there... two games in a row. He just has more shit than his opponent despite his sub-optimal openings.

Not a single zerg survives his hellions, let alone the banshee follow-up. It's the small shit he does like baiting the queen towards the bunker, then pulling marines out as the bunker died and micro'ing the shit out of them, getting additional drone kills and damaging a queen to within 1-2 hits, while also during these ~15 seconds macro'ed perfectly, that gains him both a small unit and economic advantage every time.

I think these tiny advantages compounds into a much bigger advantage, especially in the early game, which would explain why his opponents look like amateurs playing him - his timings hit a few seconds earlier and a bit harder, eventually compounding into half a minute earlier and 2x harder.

Which makes me realize an important point regarding the "mechanical" requirement of playing SC2. Sure, to play relatively well, SC2 is easier mechanically as my ~250/150 (sc2gears) APM/EAPM and C+ BW multitasking is more or less enough to have 90+ % perfect macro in the early/mid game. But having 400/250 APM/EAPM is going to turn that percentage into 95+ %, and it's clear from these games that the 5% matters a LOT - it's the difference between rolling over and dying and defending JUST in time. So there isn't even a soft skill-ceiling cap, not even in the early-mid game, because it's just not possible to play 100% perfectly and purely by being 2% faster (effectively faster, not limited to APM) you're going to stomp a lot of faces.

Which in turns makes me remember what idra predicted, can someone quote what he said originally? The gist being:

SC is a game of limited information, which is fine in BW because the skill ceiling is so much higher, so the luck factor is relatively small compared to sc2 and the better player could almost always come back despite being countered, and there are very few hard counters to anything, so situations where player A automatically loses if he made X units instead of Y are rare. However, this is a serious problem in sc2 because blizzard is trying to make the game into chess, which would be fine if the players had perfect information, but they don't. Therefore, in the near future when the average mechanics of players improve to a point where even code B players could flawlessly execute all kinds of all-ins, the scene would be more or less fucked by volatility.


Blizzard is trying to make more defensive options (shredder, arc shield, etc) in the future, who knows the early game might be less volatile


If anything adding those two units/spells will make the game more volatile. The bottom tier players will be able to win even if they can't multitask like the top tier players.
rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
December 09 2011 04:15 GMT
#467
idra vs forgg again HAHAHA
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poorcloud
Profile Joined April 2011
Singapore2748 Posts
December 09 2011 04:15 GMT
#468
Idra finally holding off fOrGG attacks haha. I think Idra's got this game.
Serpico
Profile Joined May 2010
4285 Posts
December 09 2011 04:16 GMT
#469
are idra and sen both eliminated from WGC now?
tnud
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden2233 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-09 04:18:21
December 09 2011 04:17 GMT
#470
On December 09 2011 13:15 poorcloud wrote:
Idra finally holding off fOrGG attacks haha. I think Idra's got this game.

NOPE
He's really good :D
I'm waiting for him to take a title so we don't have to "speculate".
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Serpico
Profile Joined May 2010
4285 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-09 04:18:13
December 09 2011 04:17 GMT
#471
idra left as soon as he saw 3 (4 maybe?) thors
rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
December 09 2011 04:17 GMT
#472
RAGE QUIT LOL
The Notorious Winkles
KevinIX
Profile Joined October 2009
United States2472 Posts
December 09 2011 04:18 GMT
#473
Rage quit!! hahaha
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Loki57
Profile Joined February 2011
United States292 Posts
December 09 2011 04:18 GMT
#474
IdrA had no idea he was going mech lol, completely unprepared for it
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Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
December 09 2011 04:18 GMT
#475
I almost feel bad for idra at this point

*almost*
Ahaha
Profile Joined November 2011
11 Posts
December 09 2011 04:18 GMT
#476
You should call him ForGG.
This is what you get for being Flash's punching bag.
Wait until you see Flash.
poorcloud
Profile Joined April 2011
Singapore2748 Posts
December 09 2011 04:18 GMT
#477
On December 09 2011 13:15 poorcloud wrote:
Idra finally holding off fOrGG attacks haha. I think Idra's got this game.


I was wrong. Idra rage quit while fOrGG was marching towards his base with his all-in. ROFL. I don't know but was Idra's economy in that bad of a shape?
mtn
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
729 Posts
December 09 2011 04:18 GMT
#478
forgg completly owned him. WOW that was so onesided.
mtn
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
729 Posts
December 09 2011 04:19 GMT
#479
On December 09 2011 13:18 poorcloud wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 13:15 poorcloud wrote:
Idra finally holding off fOrGG attacks haha. I think Idra's got this game.


I was wrong. Idra rage quit while fOrGG was marching towards his base with his all-in. ROFL. I don't know but was Idra's economy in that bad of a shape?


How was that and all in?
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-09 04:21:28
December 09 2011 04:20 GMT
#480
Fin seems to like taking his expo really late and going for some really abusive banshee play eh? Not to say it's a bad thing, but I just found it interesting how he's one of the few Terransplayers still doing some heavy 1 base stuff and taking really late expos.
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