Why Fin looks like one of the best in sc2 already - Page 24

On December 07 2011 04:55 Grend wrote:
Can't we just call him ForGG? Fin is just confusing :-)

On December 09 2011 12:35 HardMacro wrote:
Ok seriously what the fuck. Does this guy ever lose? He curbs stomps even in TvT; gets hard countered opening banshees where his opponent opened with a viking, only to push into the other terran's natural 3 minutes later with marine/tank and sealing the game right there... two games in a row. He just has more shit than his opponent despite his sub-optimal openings.

Not a single zerg survives his hellions, let alone the banshee follow-up. It's the small shit he does like baiting the queen towards the bunker, then pulling marines out as the bunker died and micro'ing the shit out of them, getting additional drone kills and damaging a queen to within 1-2 hits, while also during these ~15 seconds macro'ed perfectly, that gains him both a small unit and economic advantage every time.

I think these tiny advantages compounds into a much bigger advantage, especially in the early game, which would explain why his opponents look like amateurs playing him - his timings hit a few seconds earlier and a bit harder, eventually compounding into half a minute earlier and 2x harder.

Which makes me realize an important point regarding the "mechanical" requirement of playing SC2. Sure, to play relatively well, SC2 is easier mechanically as my ~250/150 (sc2gears) APM/EAPM and C+ BW multitasking is more or less enough to have 90+ % perfect macro in the early/mid game. But having 400/250 APM/EAPM is going to turn that percentage into 95+ %, and it's clear from these games that the 5% matters a LOT - it's the difference between rolling over and dying and defending JUST in time. So there isn't even a soft skill-ceiling cap, not even in the early-mid game, because it's just not possible to play 100% perfectly and purely by being 2% faster (effectively faster, not limited to APM) you're going to stomp a lot of faces.

Which in turns makes me remember what idra predicted, can someone quote what he said originally? The gist being:

SC is a game of limited information, which is fine in BW because the skill ceiling is so much higher, so the luck factor is relatively small compared to sc2 and the better player could almost always come back despite being countered, and there are very few hard counters to anything, so situations where player A automatically loses if he made X units instead of Y are rare. However, this is a serious problem in sc2 because blizzard is trying to make the game into chess, which would be fine if the players had perfect information, but they don't. Therefore, in the near future when the average mechanics of players improve to a point where even code B players could flawlessly execute all kinds of all-ins, the scene would be more or less fucked by volatility.

On December 09 2011 13:15 poorcloud wrote:
Idra finally holding off fOrGG attacks haha. I think Idra's got this game.