[NASL] Season Two Grand Finals - Page 21

On December 05 2011 01:39 Albrithe wrote:
In a world market, you can't count on everyone being happy with scheduling. They're not doing it to spite you, so get over it.

On December 05 2011 07:52 Roxy wrote:
I was lead to believe this was starting at 12:00
wtf...

i have already finished ALL of my pizza and MOST of my beer

now im not going to get to watch because my gf will be home any minute and i'm not allowed to have fun

On December 06 2011 02:06 Joner wrote:

We're the customers though, we set the demand. And us Europeans demand better scheduled broadcasts or we will simply not watch the show and NASL loses a big chunk of audience, which is naturally not in their best interest.

I mean... they've could've skipped the Day[9] daily (it was good, but i stayed up to watch the final games and not a daily...) and also scheduled the HoN finals afer the sc2 finals.
I know, i know, nobody would watch HoN if it was scheduled like that but thats kinda my point.

It's all about giving the viewers what they want and we want to watch SC2 and not HoN. (Someone will disagree with me on this one)

NASL didn't deliver to us Europeans and I think thats really a shame...

On December 06 2011 05:34 Defacer wrote:


I don't think NASL deserves to be burned at the stake ... It's not like GSL is easy for us to watch in North America ... but it is a missed opportunity considering the amount of Europeans in the top 16.

On December 06 2011 08:31 Gwypaas wrote:

Everyone should stop using GSL to justify the scheduling. GSL is broadcasted in Korea with Korea as the main audience. The western E-Sports scene is seen as one although the time differences between the far ends of it are huge and therefore if they make their tournament unable to be watched by around half of the scene then they are doing something whch can't be justified through any perspective.

On December 05 2011 07:52 Roxy wrote:
I was lead to believe this was starting at 12:00
wtf...

i have already finished ALL of my pizza and MOST of my beer

now im not going to get to watch because my gf will be home any minute and i'm not allowed to have fun

On December 06 2011 10:52 Defacer wrote:


Oh yeah, the North American market doesn't matter at all. I guess having English casters is just GSL having a massive brain fart.

Relax a little. Tournaments should try to accomodate as many potential markets as possible. NASL made a lot of mistakes, but trying to schedule around European time zones is far from the worst one they made.

On December 06 2011 14:42 Gwypaas wrote:

Think about GSL, it is unwatchable live both in Europe and NA for almost everyone. It airs around 11 am in Europe and 4-5 am in NA, barely anyone can watch it live as it is. Their live audience for their English stream compared to their Korean broadcast isn't comparable, nor would it be even with better times for the western market, the loss in Korean would be too big. The advantage GSL has is that they have the highest level of play that anyone can offer and they have a good VOD service allowing people to watch the games they want to watch.

Compare this to NASL, their market is solely the Western, although they attract Koreans but that is only to increase their western viewership. The quality of the players is much worse and not even the live feeling can make up for it. They then schedule it so it is unwatchable by anyone who has any kind of school or job in Europe. People can stay up until 1-2 am to watch things like this, but going further than that is really stretching it.

Of course they had tons of other issues throughout the season but every one of them should be brought into the light so they might improve instead of the old mantra "FOR ESPORTS WE NEED TO SUPPORT THEM!!!".

On December 04 2011 04:55 OneOther wrote:

Obviously not a good measurement of reputation, especially in this biased context. Amongst people who actually know StarCraft II and follow TT1's games, they would know he's far from a cheesy player. He's a solid macro player based on execution and timing. Yes, he mixes cheese into play occasionally, but that's what every good player does. I find it weird that you call him a cheesy player and use that as the reason he can't win versus Sen. If anything, the reason might be that Sen is one of the best foreign Zergs right now.

On December 07 2011 06:27 FatalMuffin wrote:
I've been waiting and waiting for the VODs to be uploaded.. I payed 10 dollars solely so I could watch them and all they've uploaded are the grand finals for HoN.

Am I missing something?

On December 07 2011 10:11 JustJonny wrote:


yes. the vods appear to be up (but only in full day chunks) under 'past broadcasts' on their twitch.tv channel.

http://www.twitch.tv/naslseasontwo/videos?kind=past_broadcasts

It looks like they are in the process of editing out individual games.

On December 07 2011 11:20 FatalMuffin wrote:



Dude even that would be fine, but I checked through all 3 of those videos and they only contain the HoN section of the day.

EDIT: Oh shit balls I just realized that Twitch.TV was seperating it into different "Parts". Ok I failed. Thanks though, made me re-check again and realized I was failing.

On December 06 2011 02:06 Joner wrote:

We're the customers though, we set the demand.

On December 07 2011 15:11 Greendotz wrote:


Customers who PAY set the demand.

If you paid you got the VOD's service.

If you paid but weren't satasfied with the VOD's, fine, send a complaint/feedback form if you want, but it was made quite clear what you'd get for your buck

If you don't pay and are still trying to use a supply & demand argument for the fact that you believe a FREE American tournament doesn't cater to European time zones then take a while to read this sentence back and realise the foolishness in your argument. Just because you're repeating what others are saying does not mean you have a point.

On December 07 2011 15:11 Greendotz wrote:


Customers who PAY set the demand.

If you paid you got the VOD's service.

If you paid but weren't satasfied with the VOD's, fine, send a complaint/feedback form if you want, but it was made quite clear what you'd get for your buck

If you don't pay and are still trying to use a supply & demand argument for the fact that you believe a FREE American tournament doesn't cater to European time zones then take a while to read this sentence back and realise the foolishness in your argument. Just because you're repeating what others are saying does not mean you have a point.