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On December 05 2011 02:18 ninjamyst wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2011 06:46 Xalorian wrote:On December 04 2011 03:20 nihlon wrote:On December 04 2011 01:26 Xalorian wrote:
It's just my opinion but...
It's funny how TL articles shit on so many less favorite players these day, even an event this time, for some reasons. It start to be annoying. And is it a final preview or a season recap? Because there's not much about the final...
I wana read hype or in-depth preview of incoming match in a preview., not criticism of the qualification event that already ended.
It's a poor article, at least for me.
I think such an article would have been fine if it were published after season 2 have ended or as a separate article. Having it as a preview of the final weekend is pretty bad. Yes, exactly, that's what I meant. TL articles are becoming that more and more for some reason. The thing with EG House (that was ridiculous), now shitting on the qualification of an event, one day before the final... That's seriously not what I want to read when I go on TL and I don't think i'm the only one. Seriously, another one like that and I think that I will just stop to read articles from TL except for the probably incoming TSL4... because i'm sure that they will be just hyping this one and nothing else. So you want fluff? If the players are not good, then they deserve to be criticized. If tournaments are not run well, they deserve to be bashed on. I am glad TL tells it like it is without the fluff and sugar coating. Welcome to journalism.
Exactly. Seem to be the only ones who haven't yet sold their soul, unlike other people running shows which even have "without the fluff" in their title.
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On December 05 2011 02:18 ninjamyst wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2011 06:46 Xalorian wrote:On December 04 2011 03:20 nihlon wrote:On December 04 2011 01:26 Xalorian wrote:
It's just my opinion but...
It's funny how TL articles shit on so many less favorite players these day, even an event this time, for some reasons. It start to be annoying. And is it a final preview or a season recap? Because there's not much about the final...
I wana read hype or in-depth preview of incoming match in a preview., not criticism of the qualification event that already ended.
It's a poor article, at least for me.
I think such an article would have been fine if it were published after season 2 have ended or as a separate article. Having it as a preview of the final weekend is pretty bad. Yes, exactly, that's what I meant. TL articles are becoming that more and more for some reason. The thing with EG House (that was ridiculous), now shitting on the qualification of an event, one day before the final... That's seriously not what I want to read when I go on TL and I don't think i'm the only one. Seriously, another one like that and I think that I will just stop to read articles from TL except for the probably incoming TSL4... because i'm sure that they will be just hyping this one and nothing else. So you want fluff? If the players are not good, then they deserve to be criticized. If tournaments are not run well, they deserve to be bashed on. I am glad TL tells it like it is without the fluff and sugar coating. Welcome to journalism.
Funny how everytime someone in this thread criticizes the fact that the article pretended to be a finals preview when it just bashed the regular season, their argument gets twisted into "I don't want TL to criticize NASL at all." I know that might be easier for you to argue against, but it's not what we're actually saying. We're questioning the timing of bashing the regular season in a "finals preview" article.
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On December 05 2011 02:37 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 02:18 ninjamyst wrote:On December 04 2011 06:46 Xalorian wrote:On December 04 2011 03:20 nihlon wrote:On December 04 2011 01:26 Xalorian wrote:
It's just my opinion but...
It's funny how TL articles shit on so many less favorite players these day, even an event this time, for some reasons. It start to be annoying. And is it a final preview or a season recap? Because there's not much about the final...
I wana read hype or in-depth preview of incoming match in a preview., not criticism of the qualification event that already ended.
It's a poor article, at least for me.
I think such an article would have been fine if it were published after season 2 have ended or as a separate article. Having it as a preview of the final weekend is pretty bad. Yes, exactly, that's what I meant. TL articles are becoming that more and more for some reason. The thing with EG House (that was ridiculous), now shitting on the qualification of an event, one day before the final... That's seriously not what I want to read when I go on TL and I don't think i'm the only one. Seriously, another one like that and I think that I will just stop to read articles from TL except for the probably incoming TSL4... because i'm sure that they will be just hyping this one and nothing else. So you want fluff? If the players are not good, then they deserve to be criticized. If tournaments are not run well, they deserve to be bashed on. I am glad TL tells it like it is without the fluff and sugar coating. Welcome to journalism. Funny how everytime someone in this thread criticizes the fact that the article pretended to be a finals preview when it just bashed the regular season, their argument gets twisted into "I don't want TL to criticize NASL at all." I know that might be easier for you to argue against, but it's not what we're actually saying. We're questioning the timing of bashing the regular season in a "finals preview" article.
The timing of the bashing of NASL cannot be better! TL is using the NASL finals to attract attention to this article which includes straight and honest criticism as well as "finals preview". My guess is that the writers could not be bothered to write a long winded review for this failure of a league.
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On December 05 2011 01:18 Young_Gun wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 00:31 GrungyMunchy wrote:
I'm baffled as to why would they schedule the finals at such a horrible time for Europeans. If you're "lucky" and live in either Portugal or the UK you get the finals at 3 AM, if you live more to the east you get an even worse hour. Why would they do that? MLG Anaheim wasn't nearly as bad and it was in the same timezone as Ontario CA. I live in the UK and it looks like I will skip this final due to the 3 AM schedule. This is more awfull production from NASL that shows absolute contempt for non US audience. I hope this will be their last event!
Yes, they've made some bad business decisions. You make it sound like they fucked your girlfriend and shat in your bed. Relax.
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I hope NASl will fix the scheduling next season, the decision making is really really bad by the company.
I also really doubt that the koreans make more than 1% viewers.
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Posting here because LR thread is being censored: NASL please look into better scheduling! I know these events before the finals match can be fun, but why make it a night-event when it's only one series?
I think maybe we should create a feedback thread like we did for MLG Dallas. Maybe it will help the management if all the issues were concentrated on one thread to read.
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On December 05 2011 02:18 ninjamyst wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2011 06:46 Xalorian wrote:On December 04 2011 03:20 nihlon wrote:On December 04 2011 01:26 Xalorian wrote:
It's just my opinion but...
It's funny how TL articles shit on so many less favorite players these day, even an event this time, for some reasons. It start to be annoying. And is it a final preview or a season recap? Because there's not much about the final...
I wana read hype or in-depth preview of incoming match in a preview., not criticism of the qualification event that already ended.
It's a poor article, at least for me.
I think such an article would have been fine if it were published after season 2 have ended or as a separate article. Having it as a preview of the final weekend is pretty bad. Yes, exactly, that's what I meant. TL articles are becoming that more and more for some reason. The thing with EG House (that was ridiculous), now shitting on the qualification of an event, one day before the final... That's seriously not what I want to read when I go on TL and I don't think i'm the only one. Seriously, another one like that and I think that I will just stop to read articles from TL except for the probably incoming TSL4... because i'm sure that they will be just hyping this one and nothing else. So you want fluff? If the players are not good, then they deserve to be criticized. If tournaments are not run well, they deserve to be bashed on. I am glad TL tells it like it is without the fluff and sugar coating. Welcome to journalism.
Yes, I want the same fluff that they give to other events, that's my right.
Can't you read what other are posting before quoting and bashing? If it's true or not is not the point... why in the fucking hell bashing on the tournament qualification the day before the grand final, when the title of the article is "Grand-Final preview". Where was the preview?
NASL worked hard and hard, screwed some shit for sure, but was mostly a really great tournament. It's true that not many peoples watched it since there was just so many games, but i'm sure that everybody who watched it liked it. And, the grand final is good. They don't have many peoples in the venue, but there was like 40k viewers at some point yesterday, and the games were awesome.
If you think that those player are bad, or that the event was not run well, then you didn't watched it at all.
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congrats to idra for making it that far
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prolly the worse "major" tour ive seen so far in sc2 for various reasons. Im speaking only for myself
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I was lead to believe this was starting at 12:00
wtf...
i have already finished ALL of my pizza and MOST of my beer
now im not going to get to watch because my gf will be home any minute and i'm not allowed to have fun 
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On December 05 2011 07:52 Roxy wrote:I was lead to believe this was starting at 12:00 wtf... i have already finished ALL of my pizza and MOST of my beer now im not going to get to watch because my gf will be home any minute and i'm not allowed to have fun
yeah ... i have to go to dinner with my wife's friends now. DAMMMN YOU NASL!!!!
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Wonder if we will see Puma go beyond 1 base against hero.
Also, im not sure how I feel about the tribes thing.
What the fuck does NASL even stand for anymore?
Stop trying to be mlg nasl :\
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On December 05 2011 07:52 Roxy wrote:I was lead to believe this was starting at 12:00 wtf... i have already finished ALL of my pizza and MOST of my beer now im not going to get to watch because my gf will be home any minute and i'm not allowed to have fun
lol, having no junk food to watch starcraft with is a sad sad story my friend.
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Best of how many for the 3rd place match and the final ?
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On December 04 2011 14:28 jaiihawk wrote:
I just got back from day 2 of the grand final (I left early) and I gotta say that room is dead. There are enough chairs for around ~1500 people (with room for more chairs) and only about 200-250 people there. They failed to get people to show up.
One of the problems was their choice of location. I live in the LA/OC area (the closest population center) and the drive to Ontario is terrible. This is a serious barrier to getting people to attend. Also the venue is lame. No outside food is allowed inside and the on-site vendors are overpriced and have terrible food quality.
Ontario is a well known area for holding cheap international events (because of the large airport) and it shows. Instead of deciding to hold their finals in a city that had a chance of generating local interest, they decided to save money. The problem is that very few people are going to fly in to spectate an SC2 tournament. The viewership is generally young and can't justify the travel expenses.
I don't want to hate on NASL. The reason that I ever bother to criticize is because I hope that the NASL and other tournaments can learn from these mistakes. I want as many tournaments to succeed as possible. NASL has a long way to go, and based on what I saw in Ontario I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't a season 3.
This. Oh so this. I attended the Season 1 Finals in Ontario as well. Parking was overpriced. No outside food was bullshit. And the food they sold was also overpriced and not good quality.
As a result, despite having secured 2 free tickets at Blizzcon, I did not attend the Season 2 Finals.
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On December 05 2011 10:53 Laeon wrote:
Best of how many for the 3rd place match and the final ?
Well the 3rd place match is already over but it was a bo7
Finals are bo9, and they still haven't fuc*ing started yet. This is making me really angry... its 11pm and I have stuff to do tomorrow and would really like to watch these finals.
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These finals where alot more enjoyable then the last mlg's i have to say. Very good games. *not going to spoil the winner*
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I could see that hero was beginning to crack at the end. There were about 15-20 wasted zealots towards the end on that last match that could've really soaked up a lot of damage for the other units. Also I think he could've gone with more stalkers for anti-air. But then again grats on both players for getting to the finals and grats to Puma for a 2nd win.
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From watching the tournament last year and this year it looked like the tournament went downhill a bit. There was a ton of viewers for the finals which was cool to see. but there is alot of stuff this tourney can do to get up to IPL and MLG. Good tourney tho 
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