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Xalorian
Canada433 Posts
It's funny how TL articles shit on so many less favorite players these day, even an event this time, for some reasons. It start to be annoying. And is it a final preview or a season recap? Because there's not much about the final... I wana read hype or in-depth preview of incoming match in a preview., not criticism of the qualification event that already ended. It's a poor article, at least for me. | ||
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Prplppleatr
United States1518 Posts
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
It's funny how TL articles shit on so many less favorite players these day, even an event this time, for some reasons. It start to be annoying. And is it a final preview or a season recap? Because there's not much about the final... I wana read hype or in-depth preview of incoming match in a preview., not criticism of the qualification event that already ended Well, that's the problem for NASL, everyone keeps on bashing it (true, it is not as exciting as MLG or IPL in my opinion) but it's still not a terrible tournament. But since everyone hears all the negativity, they forget the positives of the tournament. Don't worry though, if Liquid Hero wins, you will see articles instantly pop up saying how NASL was the biggest tournament of the year and how great it was. | ||
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
On December 04 2011 01:26 Xalorian wrote: It's just my opinion but... It's funny how TL articles shit on so many less favorite players these day, even an event this time, for some reasons. It start to be annoying. And is it a final preview or a season recap? Because there's not much about the final... I wana read hype or in-depth preview of incoming match in a preview., not criticism of the qualification event that already ended. It's a poor article, at least for me. I think such an article would have been fine if it were published after season 2 have ended or as a separate article. Having it as a preview of the final weekend is pretty bad. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On December 04 2011 03:20 nihlon wrote: I think such an article would have been fine if it were published after season 2 have ended or as a separate article. Having it as a preview of the final weekend is pretty bad. Yeah, its cool-blooded. But of all the tournaments, NASL needs tough love. All the best intentions in the world isn't going to change the fact that they are spending a lot of money on a mediocre product that people aren't buying into. And the sad part is that a lot of the mistakes they're making were avoidable or cost nothing to fix. | ||
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Ansinjunger
United States2451 Posts
On December 03 2011 02:54 minilance wrote: I am sad that TL critics NASL in the NASL hype thread. This does not have its place, we should all be exited that the NASL final is soon TL lost some of my respect in this article... Hope NASL is a blast I wonder how many writers are held hostage by the hopes of maintaining respect from random internet users who in all likelihood show less or no respect in their daily dealings. Not that that necessarily defines you, good sir, but this is, as far as I'm concerned, one of the most annoying things to read. Expectations are not something that deserve to be met just because you have them. Is this article's purpose to "hype" NASL only? I was probably going to let the whole thing slip by until I saw this article under "featured news." I read elsewhere a complaint that the writers were pandering to popular opinion, but perhaps a popular opinion is held by a few writers too? Consider it a challenge for NASL season 2 finals not to suck. Personally, I'd like to see it go really well and for Koreans to come back if they think it's more professional this time around. Don't think of it as an ultimatum, but as them trying to make their time overseas well spent. Were the demands of sc2Con unreasonable? Probably, but SlayerS also backed out, and at least they did in a timely manner. Also, TT1 argument was rather amusing. It's interesting that the SQ defense was largely turned on its head. At the end of the day, it's easier to have a good SQ on fewer bases...there are simply fewer actions to perform. That doesn't actually mean he doesn't have good macro though. It says literally nothing about that either. | ||
OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On December 02 2011 15:51 Waxangel wrote: If reputation is directly influenced by public opinion, then wouldn't this be a pretty effective way to find out who's right? Obviously not a good measurement of reputation, especially in this biased context. Amongst people who actually know StarCraft II and follow TT1's games, they would know he's far from a cheesy player. He's a solid macro player based on execution and timing. Yes, he mixes cheese into play occasionally, but that's what every good player does. I find it weird that you call him a cheesy player and use that as the reason he can't win versus Sen. If anything, the reason might be that Sen is one of the best foreign Zergs right now. | ||
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Big.E33
United States27 Posts
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Xalorian
Canada433 Posts
On December 04 2011 03:20 nihlon wrote: I think such an article would have been fine if it were published after season 2 have ended or as a separate article. Having it as a preview of the final weekend is pretty bad. Yes, exactly, that's what I meant. TL articles are becoming that more and more for some reason. The thing with EG House (that was ridiculous), now shitting on the qualification of an event, one day before the final... That's seriously not what I want to read when I go on TL and I don't think i'm the only one. Seriously, another one like that and I think that I will just stop to read articles from TL except for the probably incoming TSL4... because i'm sure that they will be just hyping this one and nothing else. | ||
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SgtPepper
United States568 Posts
NASL fighting. Hoping for a good event | ||
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Lonyo
United Kingdom3884 Posts
On December 04 2011 06:46 Xalorian wrote: Yes, exactly, that's what I meant. TL articles are becoming that more and more for some reason. The thing with EG House (that was ridiculous), now shitting on the qualification of an event, one day before the final... That's seriously not what I want to read when I go on TL and I don't think i'm the only one. Seriously, another one like that and I think that I will just stop to read articles from TL except for the probably incoming TSL4... because i'm sure that they will be just hyping this one and nothing else. They are just saying what everyone else is thinking and saying. Telling it like it is might seem harsh, but most people would agree that NASL has serious issues overall. Is TL supposed to talk sweetly about every single event just because it's an event? TL shouldn't have to hype the NASL for the NASL, especially when there's nothing TO hype. I appreciate their honesty. I expect it's even possible that no one WANTED to write an article about NASL. There was a quote about reviews for the Nintendo Wii, all the reviewers drew straws and the one who got the short straw had to review the Wii. Someone got the short straw and had to write about the NASL. | ||
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chipman
United States139 Posts
Many people are sheeple, so you have to be careful what message you convey. If they didn't think NASL was finished before this post, they might think otherwise now. | ||
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Xalorian
Canada433 Posts
On December 04 2011 07:42 Lonyo wrote: They are just saying what everyone else is thinking and saying. Telling it like it is might seem harsh, but most people would agree that NASL has serious issues overall. Is TL supposed to talk sweetly about every single event just because it's an event? TL shouldn't have to hype the NASL for the NASL, especially when there's nothing TO hype. I appreciate their honesty. I expect it's even possible that no one WANTED to write an article about NASL. There was a quote about reviews for the Nintendo Wii, all the reviewers drew straws and the one who got the short straw had to review the Wii. Someone got the short straw and had to write about the NASL. If what was writted in the article is true or not is clearly not the point. Why in the hell is that article bashing the qualification season in the "NASL Grand Final Preview" for 90% of the article? Where is the actual preview? | ||
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DeepElemBlues
United States5079 Posts
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Inky87
United States533 Posts
On December 04 2011 10:56 DeepElemBlues wrote: Nice to know that the one major e-sports organization that rarely runs any tournaments of its own has the credibility to make such a negative commentary about a major tournament just before its grand final. Another manifestation of the unwarranted snobbish attitude held by some who 'represent' TL.net. Yeah no doubt. What the fuck is wrong with the editors lately. Shitting on the EG house and now this? Well whoever wrote all this negative crap should be feeling pretty terrible, because the finals is freaking awesome so far. Good production, good casting, good players, and good games. | ||
pPingu
Switzerland2892 Posts
Am I the only one to think it's ironic that nasl had only one american in ro8 and none in ro4? NASL doing really well right now, still don't understand why this article bashed it so much | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On December 04 2011 08:21 chipman wrote: Personally I think articles like this do more to kill esports than grow it. I disagree. Personally, I find the criticism in this article is honest, fair, entirely reasonable and frankly necessary. If NASL can't address these issues, they'll be dead in the water. NASL is attempting something very ambitious, with a high capital investment, with very little broadcasting experience. They are trying to stream games every day in a league format, leading in an extended 3-day live event. Not even GSL or MLG does this, because they know how expensive and risky it is. They should either think of ways to scale back what they're doing so they can offer their product at a better price ... or they can double-down again and try to make the stream and event even bigger, better, more expensive. But as these finals have illustrated, just because you're spending money doesn't mean you're adding meaningful value to what you're doing. I can understand how this article can seem negative, but it is sobering. Their 'product' simply isn't spectacular enough to justify their business model right now, and they need to hear that. No amount of 'pat's-on-the-back' or 'nice-try's is going to help NASL become sustainable. And no one is going to go out on a limb and try to convince their friends to stay in Ontario, California for 3 days-2 nights unless the event is absolutely balls-to-the-wall amazing. | ||
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tubs
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jaiihawk
United States5 Posts
One of the problems was their choice of location. I live in the LA/OC area (the closest population center) and the drive to Ontario is terrible. This is a serious barrier to getting people to attend. Also the venue is lame. No outside food is allowed inside and the on-site vendors are overpriced and have terrible food quality. Ontario is a well known area for holding cheap international events (because of the large airport) and it shows. Instead of deciding to hold their finals in a city that had a chance of generating local interest, they decided to save money. The problem is that very few people are going to fly in to spectate an SC2 tournament. The viewership is generally young and can't justify the travel expenses. I don't want to hate on NASL. The reason that I ever bother to criticize is because I hope that the NASL and other tournaments can learn from these mistakes. I want as many tournaments to succeed as possible. NASL has a long way to go, and based on what I saw in Ontario I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't a season 3. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On December 04 2011 14:28 jaiihawk wrote: I just got back from day 2 of the grand final (I left early) and I gotta say that room is dead. There are enough chairs for around ~1500 people (with room for more chairs) and only about 200-250 people there. They failed to get people to show up. One of the problems was their choice of location. I live in the LA/OC area (the closest population center) and the drive to Ontario is terrible. This is a serious barrier to getting people to attend. Also the venue is lame. No outside food is allowed inside and the on-site vendors are overpriced and have terrible food quality. Ontario is a well known area for holding cheap international events (because of the large airport) and it shows. Instead of deciding to hold their finals in a city that had a chance of generating local interest, they decided to save money. The problem is that very few people are going to fly in to spectate an SC2 tournament. The viewership is generally young and can't justify the travel expenses. I don't want to hate on NASL. The reason that I ever bother to criticize is because I hope that the NASL and other tournaments can learn from these mistakes. I want as many tournaments to succeed as possible. NASL has a long way to go, and based on what I saw in Ontario I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't a season 3. I can't help but think they could sell out a 500-1000 seat theatre in LA easily (and save themselves a lot of planning and management grief in the process). Let's put it this way ... I could convince my wife to go the LA with me for a week, so I could spend some time at a Starcraft 2 tourney. There's no way I could convince her to stay in Ontario, California JUST for a SC2 tournament. | ||
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