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FatalBlur
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States25 Posts
November 21 2011 23:25 GMT
#61
This is really cool, and anyone who hates is just mad because they spent all that time learning BO's from memory, and never tried anything like this, and are just trying to make up for it. Just like the people who try to justify purchasing an AMD processor over Intel(just had to say it)

anyways I love this, but I am having a problem with it, I was able to open the main thing(see first screenshot by OP) but I can't get back to it, and somehow the text disappeared, now I've uninstalled everything and redownloaded, and cant seem to get it to work, anyone have any advice?

Because Im trying to switch to Protoss and with this it would be so much easier, thx for any help guuuuuyss!!! <3
TechSC
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada40 Posts
November 21 2011 23:27 GMT
#62
Obviously people are going to say it's not cheating, since you can have a second monitor / piece of paper beside your monitor / whatever. However, it's not for the community to decide which 3rd party programs are legal and not, it's Blizzard's call. So saying "I don't see how you can get banned for this" or whatever doesn't really mean much, since you don't make the calls.

Alpino
Profile Joined June 2011
Brazil4390 Posts
November 21 2011 23:33 GMT
#63
On November 22 2011 08:27 TechSC wrote:
Obviously people are going to say it's not cheating, since you can have a second monitor / piece of paper beside your monitor / whatever. However, it's not for the community to decide which 3rd party programs are legal and not, it's Blizzard's call. So saying "I don't see how you can get banned for this" or whatever doesn't really mean much, since you don't make the calls.



I can obs a game and tell through VoIP what's going on to one of the players, it is not cheating of course.
20/11/2015 - never forget EE's Ember
llKenZyll
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States853 Posts
November 21 2011 23:35 GMT
#64
Dear god I love this
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/nd6nd/tang_in_his_natural_habitat/
Mauldo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States750 Posts
November 21 2011 23:42 GMT
#65
On November 22 2011 02:37 ahri wrote:
It's less cheat than audio build order thingie anyway.


^^^^^

I'd use the shit out of this thing in customs against the computer. I dunno if I would in actual ladder games though.

That being said, I wouldn't curse out someone who said "Oh hey, I'm using that SC2 Scrapbook overlay thing." That beep/light/audio cue that marks larva injects and chronoboosts is a completely different horse though.

Good work, dude. I'll be using it against the computer literally right now.

Hantak
Profile Joined April 2011
Chile59 Posts
November 21 2011 23:49 GMT
#66
Seems like a nice "utility" to have, but im afraid this wouldnt be accepted in any sort of competitive stage. Some people can call it cheating, others just some "help", but what i say is that if the game doesnt provide it already... well its not meant to be there.

I wouldnt use this, not even against a friend on a custom game, maybe sometime against the AI if im offline, but nah, im just not willing to take the risk :D
It's getting too hot.
DueSs
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States765 Posts
November 22 2011 00:05 GMT
#67
On November 22 2011 08:24 Alpino wrote:
I wouldn't practice with someone who uses this. Maybe it is not exactly cheating, but it just doesn't feel right. That's not how you are supposed to learn sc2.

What about a program that tells how much stuff my opponent can have at the given time(just the possibilities, of course!). Just reminding me of it. I mean of course I would have done all the math, the program just makes me know the possibilities better. You would be able to adjust to his level and to what you have scouted, you click Platinum opponent, opened 2 rax. And then I have this estimative of what my opponent can have at max, and with data gathering it starts to perfect itself ! :D.
Seems handy! Of course everybody knows the numbers, so there is no problem with it. I mean, I'm just lazy to do the math you know, but I could do it it!!


How are you "supposed to learn" sc2? I think it completely depends on your own learning styles. This style DOES work for me. I practice a build for quite a few games and then I have it. That's a perfectly fine way of learning sc2.
VeLfoR
Profile Joined August 2011
1 Post
November 22 2011 00:06 GMT
#68
On November 22 2011 08:25 FatalBlur wrote:
This is really cool, and anyone who hates is just mad because they spent all that time learning BO's from memory, and never tried anything like this, and are just trying to make up for it. Just like the people who try to justify purchasing an AMD processor over Intel(just had to say it)

anyways I love this, but I am having a problem with it, I was able to open the main thing(see first screenshot by OP) but I can't get back to it, and somehow the text disappeared, now I've uninstalled everything and redownloaded, and cant seem to get it to work, anyone have any advice?

Because Im trying to switch to Protoss and with this it would be so much easier, thx for any help guuuuuyss!!! <3



I have the same problem, after 3-4 trys now it just show the orders at my desktop wen sc2 is minimized not ingame.

ps: framework are installed and updated.
danteafk
Profile Joined May 2011
307 Posts
November 22 2011 01:30 GMT
#69
keep up the good work, nice.
vince1234
Profile Joined May 2011
39 Posts
November 22 2011 01:30 GMT
#70
On November 22 2011 08:25 FatalBlur wrote:
This is really cool, and anyone who hates is just mad because they spent all that time learning BO's from memory, and never tried anything like this, and are just trying to make up for it. Just like the people who try to justify purchasing an AMD processor over Intel(just had to say it)

anyways I love this, but I am having a problem with it, I was able to open the main thing(see first screenshot by OP) but I can't get back to it, and somehow the text disappeared, now I've uninstalled everything and redownloaded, and cant seem to get it to work, anyone have any advice?

Because Im trying to switch to Protoss and with this it would be so much easier, thx for any help guuuuuyss!!! <3

same problem
Mauldo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States750 Posts
November 22 2011 01:37 GMT
#71
I'm having a problem where after I close SC2 I can't get the main program to run. If I reload SC2 and start a game I can go through the motions of picking a build order and whatnot, but I can't go back into the program proper and edit anything or look at the build orders or even see the interface. Any ideas?
FatalBlur
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States25 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-22 01:58:49
November 22 2011 01:58 GMT
#72
On November 22 2011 08:24 Alpino wrote:
I wouldn't practice with someone who uses this. Maybe it is not exactly cheating, but it just doesn't feel right. That's not how you are supposed to learn sc2.

What about a program that tells how much stuff my opponent can have at the given time(just the possibilities, of course!). Just reminding me of it. I mean of course I would have done all the math, the program just makes me know the possibilities better. You would be able to adjust to his level and to what you have scouted, you click Platinum opponent, opened 2 rax. And then I have this estimative of what my opponent can have at max, and with data gathering it starts to perfect itself ! :D.
Seems handy! Of course everybody knows the numbers, so there is no problem with it. I mean, I'm just lazy to do the math you know, but I could do it it!!


I would compare this utility to a calculator, its good for when you cant do "high" math problems like 20x86 or something, or even 12x13 but theres a point where you dont/cant have it, and you need to realize you should be able to do this in your head and that's a good way to learn and progress. Also in terms of algebra as well, the calculator only gets you partway there, it depends on you to solve the question(win) having a calculator wont always make you able to solve the problem, or else we would have no problems.

Now using that same metaphor, your comment says, using a calculator is cheating and it's not part of learning math and algebra, in those terms or in it's original terms, that sounds kinda stupid. just my opinion though, you have the right to yours as well.

Also, as I love using metaphors, this is nothing like a maphack, which in fps games would be like wallhacks or aimbot, where you kinda automatically win, this is more like(to an extent) putting a red dot in the middle of the screen, so that when you see someone there you shoot, now id say thats more on the hacking side, BUT it's the same idea, you have to account for recoil, and spray, and movement as well, so all in all, this is something that wont make you instawin, it helps, especially at lower levels, but eventually you memorize it and dont need that anymore, you progress and it becomes
muscle memory.

again, just my opnions

and god damn i'm going to love it when it works, lol, OP plz get your lazy ass on TL and respond!
ScaSully
Profile Joined April 2011
United States488 Posts
November 22 2011 02:01 GMT
#73
this is cheating real players learn builds
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Korlinni
Profile Joined April 2011
125 Posts
November 22 2011 02:12 GMT
#74
Same thing as putting a little note on your computer that has your build listed. You go and play a build with the list for a while, you will learn to do it without needing it and you get better.
Impossible is a word to be found only in the dictionary of fools!
Tun3
Profile Joined May 2011
17 Posts
November 22 2011 02:16 GMT
#75
On November 22 2011 08:25 FatalBlur wrote:
This is really cool, and anyone who hates is just mad because they spent all that time learning BO's from memory, and never tried anything like this, and are just trying to make up for it. Just like the people who try to justify purchasing an AMD processor over Intel(just had to say it)

anyways I love this, but I am having a problem with it, I was able to open the main thing(see first screenshot by OP) but I can't get back to it, and somehow the text disappeared, now I've uninstalled everything and redownloaded, and cant seem to get it to work, anyone have any advice?

Because Im trying to switch to Protoss and with this it would be so much easier, thx for any help guuuuuyss!!! <3



Same with me
vince1234
Profile Joined May 2011
39 Posts
November 22 2011 02:21 GMT
#76
On November 22 2011 11:16 Tun3 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2011 08:25 FatalBlur wrote:
This is really cool, and anyone who hates is just mad because they spent all that time learning BO's from memory, and never tried anything like this, and are just trying to make up for it. Just like the people who try to justify purchasing an AMD processor over Intel(just had to say it)

anyways I love this, but I am having a problem with it, I was able to open the main thing(see first screenshot by OP) but I can't get back to it, and somehow the text disappeared, now I've uninstalled everything and redownloaded, and cant seem to get it to work, anyone have any advice?

Because Im trying to switch to Protoss and with this it would be so much easier, thx for any help guuuuuyss!!! <3



Same with me

help plz
Hoodoo
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada7 Posts
November 22 2011 02:37 GMT
#77
How do you actually get this to overlay? I can load app, get it to pop up in windows but not over sc2!
Science!
apalemorning
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada509 Posts
November 22 2011 02:39 GMT
#78
i know most of these builds, i wish some of the newer zerg builds were on there. like ZvP mutas vs ffe, or losira roach/ling timing attacks vs 3gate expo! or even stephano ones!
immortal/roach is pretty good against stalkers
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
November 22 2011 02:42 GMT
#79
I don't get why there's so many people whining that people are cheating. It's a training tool to help people improve so that they will be able to do these things without reminders and instructions. It's not much different than having a more skilled player behind your back giving you help. You're obviously not going to be able to used this in any tournament of a half decent size, nor will you be at the level where you need/want to use this.
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
PresenceSc2
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4032 Posts
November 22 2011 03:00 GMT
#80
On November 22 2011 02:28 -swordguy wrote:
In customs this is fine for refining/practicing builds but on ladder I would definitely consider this cheating. This is a real time strategy game and requires people to learn builds and counters if they want to achieve some kind of success. The person that remembers their build and the counters will have the advantage and should win. By adding the build order overlays you take out that important part of the game ( I know you still have to execute the build but remembering it is just as important) and that makes it easier for people to play. The game is meant to take a lot of practice in order to learn/optimize the builds and this program will help with that but using a 3rd party source just isn't acceptable in my opinion (and in the TOS).


At the moment i have a notepad .doc on my 2nd monitor. Is that cheating ?
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