We've got some more StarCraft 2 news about the 2012 Pro Circuit dropping tomorrow morning! Don't worry console gamers, there's news for you coming soon too. Probably not tomorrow, but it is on the way...
On January 20 2012 13:32 MLG_Lee wrote: The current invite format for the online qualifiers is set up due to the compressed timeframe from announcement to the first Pro-Circuit event. That doesn't mean they'll be invite only for the rest of the Seasons this year. Stay tuned for those details.
Second, to the folks talking about prize money, the announced Prize Money is for the Arena events only, which are a completely NEW event that didn't exist last year in MLG's structure. It does NOT include the Pro-Circuit Championships for each season (which is what you all watched last year at Anaheim, Columbus, Providence, etc). Those details will be announced shortly as well.
Edit: Also keep in mind that we're funding travel 32 + 16 = 48 times for players from all over the world. That is NOT a trivial amount of funding. And each player is getting booked a room to themselves for the Winter Season, so if teammates want to stack up in a room, they can do that. I hope that's viewed as the gesture of support to the teams that it's meant to be. Even the more successful teams will not be carrying the weight on their sponsorship budgets for that travel. EG, for example, has two players in the top 8 from Providence (Huk and Idra), so that's quite a bit of support just to them. In addition, if you're an unaffiliated player and qualify in, you don't need to provide that support or get it from someplace else.
Edit 2: "stay tuned" and "shortly" are vague deliberately. Sorry folks, but there is a timeline here and it's not just because we're trying to hype the hype. There's reasons for this (and deals, and commitments to partners) which we have to finalize before can share them all. And no, i can't tell you what the reasons are :D
Edit 3: (sorry for the wall of text now) The Pro-Circuit events STILL HAVE AN OPEN BRACKET. Anyone can register and play in those. The Online Quali's > Arena are for placement into the Championship Pools at the Pro Circuit Championship.
Edit 4: No spectators in the venue because we don't have room. It's a studio shoot.
EVERYONE PLEASE NOTE THIS IS KIND OF A PRE-SEASON ANNOUNCEMENT ONLY! MLG HAS NOT REVEALED ANYTHING ABOUT THE REAL SEASON YET. COMPARE THIS TO A GSL ANNOUNCEMENT OF AoL
Sundance:
The arena is $26k plus all travel expenses for all attending players. PRO Circuit Events have a stand alone prize pool and still have an open bracket. There will be multiple Arenas this year - as in a bunch as in lots.
It’s time! 2012 is here! It seems like just yesterday that Leenock was hoisting the trophy and big check at the 2011 MLG National Championships in Providence. We hope the off-season has been a time of productivity for you, but unfortunately – that’s all about to change. The first details on the 2012 MLG Pro Circuit are below. It’s not everything (we’ve gotta save some juicy details for Sundance to spill on Twitter) but it’s the first reveal of the new 2012 Pro Circuit.
StarCraft 2: Wings of Liberty Returns to the Pro Circuit
Blizzard’s hit RTS StarCraft 2 is back for the 2012 Pro Circuit. Shocking, we know. Additional games and details will be announced as soon as possible.
A Well-Seasoned Experience
MLG fans of old will notice things in 2012 are going to be a little… different. The 2012 MLG Pro Circuit will be made up of four distinct Seasons, each with their own Live Championship Event. We wanted to move to a season-based Pro Circuit for a couple of reasons. First, it allows us to make changes to our format and game lineup easily throughout the year. Second, it enables us to maintain a steady stream of competition throughout the year for our players and fans to enjoy. Finally, it helps to ensure that the best of the best are winning prizes on the Pro Circuit, and that every player has a chance to make it big. While we’re not ready to reveal everything about our season structure for the entire year, here’s what we can tell you (WARNING: information overload ahead).
Winter 2012 Season
138 of the best SC2 players in the world (based on the results of all notable 2011 SC2 competitions) will be invited to compete in their choice of three regional double-elimination online tournaments (North America, Europe, and Korea/Taiwan). Competition dates are as follows:
January 31-February 2 (Europe) February 3-5 (Korea/Taiwan) February 6-8 (North America) Details on MLG’s video coverage of the regional online tournaments will be announced in the coming weeks.
The Top 8 finishers from MLG’s 2011 National Championship in Providence will be invited to join the Top 8 finishers from each regional online tournament (24 total players) for the MLG Winter Arena in New York City on February 24-26.
All 32 players will receive all-expenses-paid trips to the MLG Winter Arena, where a $26,000 prize pool will be up for grabs. The full prize breakdown is as follows:
1st – $10,000 2nd – $6,000 3rd – $3,600 4th- $2,200 5th/6th – $1,400 (no consolation matches will be played) 7th/8th – $900 (no consolation matches will be played) While players can choose which of the three regions they wish to compete in, there are a couple of things to keep in mind:
All matches in a specific regional online bracket must be played on that Battle.net region’s server. Players will only be eligible to receive MLG-paid travel if they request a flight from an airport located in the region they competed in. If a player is not eligible to receive MLG-paid travel, they will instead receive a $400 stipend. All players, regardless of eligibility for paid travel, will receive MLG-paid hotel accommodations. In addition to the lovely prizes that will be awarded at the Winter Arena, the Top 16 will also receive spots in Pool Play at the Winter Championship. The bottom 16 finishers in the Arena will receive byes into Open Winners Bracket Round 5 at the Winter Championship. Furthermore, the Top 16 finishers at the Winter Arena will also receive an all-expenses paid trip to the Winter Championship. That’s two all-expenses paid trips for 16 of the world’s best players!
The Winter Arena will be live streamed for your viewing pleasure, but there will not be a live spectator component.
The Winter Championship will be a massive, open, live competition in Columbus, Ohio at the Columbus Convention Center on March 23-25. Spectator passes will be available and the Championship will be streamed live. Further details will be released in the coming weeks, including the full tournament format and prizes.
The Top 8 players from the Winter Championship in Columbus will qualify for the MLG Spring Arena.
A Quick Recap
That’s all we can talk about for now, but there are still a lot of details to be released for both the Winter Season and the remainder of the 2012 MLG Pro Circuit. It’s hard not to get excited about 48 all-expenses paid trips for the world’s best StarCraft 2 players, a $26,000 prize pool for a pre-Championship Event, and the return of MLG to the site of one of our most successful events in 2011, Columbus, Ohio. More details in the coming weeks; stay tuned!
On January 20 2012 01:03 MLG_Lee wrote: Hey everyone,
Excited to be able to talk about the start of the 2012 season FINALLY.
A quick comment on event conflicts. The MLG team has been planning the 2012 Pro Circuit season since the Fall of 2011. Unfortunately, our large scale events – such as the Winter Arena and Winter Championship in Columbus, have to be scheduled months and months in advance in order to secure large venues and execute a bracket that will provide a timely lead in to our championship events. We always do our best to avoid conflicts with other industry events, however, it simply wasn’t an option in this case.
This is the case with all event organizers, and unfortunately, by the time any of us (event organizers in general) find out where/when all the other events are, it's often too late to change gears.
Stay tuned for additional 2012 details.
Lee
Winter Season to feature Blizzard Entertainment’s StarCraft® II: Wings of Liberty™
Includes MLG Winter Regional Online Qualifiers, January 31-February 8; MLG Winter Arena in New York City, February 24-26; MLG Winter Championship in Columbus, Ohio, March 23-25
NEW YORK – January 19, 2012 – After closing out the most successful Pro Circuit season in its history, Major League Gaming (MLG), the world’s largest competitive video game league, today unveiled a new Pro Circuit structure for 2012 providing even more competition online and in person with the best players from around the globe. The ninth annual 2012 Pro Circuit will be divided into four seasons – Winter, Spring, Summer and Fall. Each season will feature online regional qualifiersand a LIVE-streamed Arena eventthat will impact seeding and culminate with a final LIVE in-person Championship competition. The first title to be confirmed for 2012 is Blizzard Entertainment’s blockbuster real-time strategy game StarCraft® II: Wings of Liberty™. Additional details regarding the Winter season, qualifiers,and Pro Circuit console titles will be released in the coming weeks.
Winter Season Details – StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty
The seasonkicks off January 31-February 8with three invitation-only, MLG Winter Regional Online Qualifiers featuring top StarCraft II players from around the globe. Regions and online competition dates are as follows: January 31-February 2 (Europe); February 3-5 (Korea/Taiwan) and February 6-8 (North America).
The top eight finishers from the MLG Pro Circuit 2011 National Championships held in Providence last Novemberwill be invited to join the top eight finishers from each of the MLG Winter Regional Online Qualifiersfor the first ever MLG Winter Arena in New York City,February 24-26. The 32 players will receive an all-expenses paid trip to New York City where they will compete for more than $26,000 in prizes and Pool Play placement at the MLG Winter Championship. The MLG Winter Arena will be viewable via LIVE streaming.
The season will conclude with the MLG Winter Championship, a large-scale, spectator event in Columbus, Ohio, from March 23-25 at the SMG-managedGreater Columbus Convention Center. The top 16 players from the MLG Winter Arena will receive an all-expenses paid trip to Columbus for the Winter Championship. The MLG Winter Championship will be viewable in-person and via LIVE streaming.
“Our 2012 MLG Pro Circuit season is poised to be our most robust to date – with even more competition online and in person, more broadcasts and more of the world’s best players,” said Sundance DiGiovanni. “We listened to our community and players to update our Pro Circuit format and ensure that placement in tournaments was a direct result of player performance. Our new Pro Circuit structure is designed to further the world of e-sports and take competitive gaming to a new level.”
2011 Pro Circuit – The Largest Viewership to Date
The 2011 MLG Pro Circuit season was the 8th and most successful to datereaching more than 3.5 million unique stream viewers during combined Pro Circuit weekends. The 2011 Pro Circuit National Championships held in Providence, Rhode Island, November 18-20, drew an all-time high of 241,000 peak concurrent online viewers and more than 3.6 million hours of video were consumed over the weekend. Viewers from 175 countries tuned in to the final tournament, the highest number of countries to date. The top five countries watching included USA, Germany, Canada, Sweden and United Kingdom. Over the 2011 season, more than 15 million hours of video were consumed during Pro Circuit weekends.
On January 13 2012 04:30 AeroEffect wrote: If there is an MLG Raleigh this year, expect to see my name in the top 32
There is. Auguest 24-26th. It was leaked by the convention center by accident, and was quickly taken back down, but here is a screen shot: http://i.imgur.com/a5stw.png
On January 13 2012 13:28 Decapitation wrote: Cbus would mean the world to me i just cant express enough how awesome that would be
Sundance's twitter references Raleigh, Anaheim, and CBUS:
Anyway, you're going to have to battle it out against me to make it into the top 32, so practice up man, and I look forward to seeing you at the venue ;D c: c: c:
[Edit: added quotes]
January 12th, 2012 MLG releases news that SotG and MLG have parted ways, and also, the details about the 2012 season will be revealed with in a week!
We're hard at work finalizing details about 2012–get ready, because you'll be seeing some very major Pro Circuit announcements next week. While setting up the new Season, we've been taking a very close look at our broadcast schedule, and we've decided to shift our focus entirely towards competition coverage. We've also come to believe–and we hope you'll agree–that the greater world of eSports is best served by community-driven journalism, independent of a connection to any particular League. With that in mind, MLG and State of The Game (SotG) have mutually and amicably decided to part ways. JP was first to raise the issue with us, and we agree and back his choice fully. In order for the show to best serve the community, SotG will return to its roots, becoming fully independent once more, and will no longer be broadcast on MLG.tv. Going forward, the live show will air on twitch.tv, and VOD will be posted on JP's YouTube channel. JP will be posting more details on his personal blog soon.
The show will begin airing at its new home on January 19th, at 7pm EST.
Weekly Warfare and the MLG Weekly will continue to air on MLG.tv, along with new shows that will be announced over the next few weeks. Please stay tuned for additional announcements about MLG's new Broadcast Lineup and the 2012 Pro Circuit.
(Vote): Yes (Vote): No (Vote): Maybe (Vote): JUST GIVE ME THE WHOLE SEASON!
MLG Sponsored by Best Buy for 2012?
So just recently MLG published the Ultimate Gaming House Gift Guide in their website. There, you can find the list of the top prizes that picked out for UGH winners this year. No big deal so far, right?
Well, what is curious about this list, is that the majority of the hyperlinks provided to find the product lead directly to Best Buy's online store. Even the StarCraft II hyperlink leads to Best Buy as the place to buy the game instead of directly from Blizzard.
Could this be a sign of Best Buy sponsoring MLG in 2012?
A source within Major League Gaming has disclosed to ESFI World that the company will be canceling many of their online shows. The affected shows include Rod Breslau's "!@#$ Slasher", "StarCraft Report" hosted by Patrick O'Neill and JP McDaniel, Weekly Warfare, Julie's Show and the MLG F.A.Q. It is unknown as to what the future of "State of the Game" is as the source did not disclose if the show's syndication as part of MLG's programming will continue.
Even though MLG cancels this shows, Sundance still says not to worry about the move and hints to an even better 2012. (Could the shows just be cancelled for the reminder of this year only to be back much better in 2012? )
Sundance said:
More of what we do best in 2012 - lots more of it.
No Capcom games for 2012
@SadZealot @Slasher @MrMLGAdam @djwheat no need for the FGC 2 worry, I've moved on. Will focus on working with folks who want 2 work with us
After Julie's Show: - Details about the 2012 coming in January / February. Going to be released game by game. international event just confirmed. Might be done through partners and not looking to go to South Korea. Those events going to start closer to the USA (Europe?). That is in addition to US circuit.
SC2, CoD, LoL, hinted at another Blizzard title (maybe), fighting game, Halo seems to be dropped next year. GoW might be added (in Limbo like Halo)
MLG claims to have a lot of big news in store for next year, and I wouldn’t be surprised if one of them was getting Starcraft 2 on TV in one form or another.
On December 07 2011 14:32 LuckyFool wrote: I hope they still have awesome major events in north america !! I'll try to go to as many as I can next year !
Sundance confirmed that Anaheim is a lock, mainly because of Blizzard.
Also he mentioned another eSports league is gonna work with them to host events outside of NA, probably Dreamhack, IEM, and GSL.
On December 07 2011 14:30 zaii wrote: Sundance just hinted on vVv stream that LiveNation might be hosting MLG events around the world next season.
Live Nation Entertainment is the world's leading live entertainment and eCommerce company, comprised of four market leaders: Ticketmaster.com, Live Nation Concerts, Front Line Management Group and Live Nation Network. Ticketmaster.com is the global event ticketing leader and one of the world's top five eCommerce sites, with over 26 million monthly unique visitors. Live Nation Concerts produces over 20,000 shows annually for more than 2,000 artists globally. Front Line is the world's top artist management company, representing over 250 artists. These businesses power Live Nation Network, the leading provider of entertainment marketing solutions, enabling over 800 advertisers to tap into the 200 million consumers Live Nation delivers annually through its live event and digital platforms. For additional information, visit www.livenation.com/investors.
On December 06 2011 18:08 Slasher wrote: The OP is full of shit and Basil is the one that called my show to begin with. He's just making shit up, at least in regards to MLG-ESL.
IMO it kind of hints to MLG going international but MLG-ESL being BS.
Merger incoming?
On December 06 2011 11:38 BasilForSkin wrote: I've heard rumors that there is a partnership, is this true? There were some tweets by Sundance with hints of an announcement, and tonight on Fuck Slasher someone called in asking Slasher and Chobopeon about the partnership. They were shocked by the question and silent for a few seconds before completely denying everything, Slasher saying it does not exist, and hanging up before the caller could say anything more. Later, in the stream chat, someone asked about it and the person was swiftly banned by JP:
NEW TWEET!
Revised: Canada France Germany India UK Brasil Will make sense next year
UPDATE!!!
SO as I was just surfing twitter, i came across one of Sundance's recent Twitts:
I'm back. India. France. UK. Will make sense next year.
Could we see MLG going to multiple countries in 2012? 0.o
Now that the 2011 MLG circuit has concluded, let our predictions begin!!! :D
MLG in my eyes could possibly surpass the GSL if it is successful in introducing whatever Sundance is planning for the future.
Now, I have created this thread to reach out to the community and start compiling a list of the possible huge changes and improvements that MLG's Sundance has suggested will arrive in 2012.
My two big predictions are the following:
1. MLG, with its new SC2 ladder system will be able to become the US's GSL counterpart providing 24 live tournaments next year.
2. MLG will open it's own TV channel (yes, a cable channel like G4, Fox, Cnn, etc.) which will provide coverage of eSPORTS 24/7 obviously including programs dedicated to SC2 alone as for Halo (Mostly SC2 for sure ).
On November 21 2011 11:20 Shalaiyn wrote: Don't you mean 2010?
what are you talking about
DjWheat said 2010 instead of 2012 at the awards ceremony.
If MLG out do themselves it will be something big this season was really good with the GSL-MLG exchange program, storylines and rivalries, great games and all MLG does well. What could be better, CHANGE THE SEEDING FORMAT, I like Incontrol and Drewbie a lot but the games at MLG are not the best tbh sucky ones at some point, but also players like White-Ra, Jinro, don't have to go through the Open Bracket again. And maybe stream more games from the Open Bracket. (The Polt case in Orlando).
And hopefully this:
On November 21 2011 11:29 ElusoryX wrote: could it be... no extended series?
I thought after that post Sundance has since changed and is talking about 4 seasons a year of online tournaments and the finals live. And then he was debating on a grand final for the year.
Also he tweeted somewhere asking the fans if they wanted $500,000 throughout the year and $1million final or $1 million throughout the year and $500,000 final
I wish MLG would work something out with blizzard and have an separate MLG ladder that you can play as opposed to blizzards ladder and then pull the top players to compete.
On November 21 2011 11:27 Grackodile wrote: I wish MLG would work something out with blizzard and have an separate MLG ladder that you can play as opposed to blizzards ladder and then pull the top players to compete.
nice idea, only problem i can foresee with this is fraudulent games hard to verify that all games will be played by 'player x' on player x's account
On November 21 2011 11:26 TheAuditor wrote: I thought after that post Sundance has since changed and is talking about 4 seasons a year of online tournaments and the finals live. And then he was debating on a grand final for the year.
Also he tweeted somewhere asking the fans if they wanted $500,000 throughout the year and $1million final or $1 million throughout the year and $500,000 final
If that's the case, $1,250,000 throughout the year and $250,000 final.
Bigger prize pool means lower places get more $ which means more Korean and European talent especially will come for the events.
I'd also like to see the return of MLG Atlanta, because that's where I'm from, but that's very unlikely. Raleigh is only a 6 hour drive, and Orlando is only like 9, so it's do-able for me.
On November 21 2011 11:37 eleaf wrote: I just wish they discard the current horrible pool system.
There are quite a few problems with the MLG-format, but the pool system aint one
I assume you mean the seeding of players into championship bracket?
You must realize, that as long as its an open tournament and anyone can enter, there will be big long and sometimes imbalanced brackets.. But how else will you do it?
The seeding could do with some tweaking, I would agree on that
Also, my oppinion keeps wavering back and forth on those extended series.. Like, if DongRaeGu had won against Leenock, DRG would face Naniwa in a bo1 if Naniwa takes any games for the first 2 games... That's not super fair imo
On November 21 2011 11:37 eleaf wrote: I just wish they discard the current horrible pool system.
There are quite a few problems with the MLG-format, but the pool system aint one
I assume you mean the seeding of players into championship bracket?
You must realize, that as long as its an open tournament and anyone can enter, there will be big long and sometimes imbalanced brackets.. But how else will you do it?
The seeding could do with some tweaking, I would agree on that
Also, my oppinion keeps wavering back and forth on those extended series.. Like, if DongRaeGu had won against Leenock, DRG would face Naniwa in a bo1 if Naniwa takes any games for the first 2 games... That's not super fair imo
I enjoy the extended series but I'm not sure how to feel about how Naniwa only had to win one bo3 against Leenock. Here's my argument: Without Extended Series I think the following scenarios are possible
Suppose DRG did beat Leenock in the loser's finals. Then, DRG would go on to face Naniwa. DRG only needs to win 2 games against Naniwa to win the championship. So does Nani, but this means that in the tournament as a whole Nani needs to beat DRG 4 times but DRG only needs to beat Nani twice.
The way I make the 2 bo3 scenario that occured with Leenock work in my mind is by saying that if Nani beat Leenock in the first bo3, Leenock is knocked out of the loser's bracket (and hence out of the tournament). If Leenock wins the first bo3, Nani is knocked into the loser's bracket and he has to lose one more bo3 to get kicked out completely. Otherwise why is it fair that Leenock has to lose twice (once to DRG in the champ bracket and once to Nani in the finals) to not win but Nani only has to lose once--against Leenock in the finals.
I think these are the main reasons these rules are in place.
I would also like to see more top europeans. Sase, Strelok, Stephano, white-ra Balance everything out with more players from each region if possible. Can you imagine having the top 30 players from each region participating!! Would be great
Man so many possible things could happen in 2012, how long do we have to wait??
I hope there's no TV channel. Shit would start tumbling down like CGS CS:S all over again. The idea of a new ladder is intriguing though. I wonder if it would be like iccup? And what Blizzard thinks of having an external "ladder"
On November 21 2011 12:33 cyberspace wrote: MLG drops LoL and picks up Dota 2.
Im not sure tho, how many people play Dota? because apparently 35 million play LoL.....I don't know numbers, but i'd imagine they'd go with whichever game has more potential viewers.
I truly hope that they remove the extended series rule. I dislike it a lot, even though you can argue that it's reasonable to have it there I still feel like it's better to remove it. It just builds for more excitement.
Being down 2-0 vs MVP and you need to win 4 games in order to win is close to impossible so it builds for more upsets and more excitement!
It has been all but confirmed that they will be using a building located in Grove City, Ohio (Directly outside of Columbus) as a location in which multiple games will be played from. A permanent venue for the games that are played between events.
not sure any of us can really guess it, as i think the whole format will be changed in a big way. im pretty excited to hear about their plans for next year though, im really hoping they somehow involve ESPN
On November 21 2011 11:50 udgnim wrote: SC2 + LoL + console game (s?)
we'll see which console game(s) make the cut. there isn't one out there that comes anywhere close to drawing viewers comparable to SC2 or LoL
They keep them around for the sponsors I think.
I for one am very disappointed that the Halo: Reach prize pool was double that of the Starcraft 2 Prize Pool.
I want MLG to pick up SSF4. Fighting game community is awesome, and draws lots of crowds.
50k for 1 person in sc2. 100k for 4 persons in halo reach. Prizepool per person is twice as big in sc2.
How many more viewers does SC2 draw though?
Plus, apparently it's the general consensus among Reach pros that Reach is a terrible game. CoD doesn't even deserve to be on the circuit.
I'd have so much more respect for MLG if it was LoL/SC2/SSF4 centered, with Reach and BlackOps/MW3/MW4/WhiteOps in 2012 being a bit less featured. I for one wouldn't be surprised if more and more sponsors went to SC2 after seeing viewer numbers and fanbase etc.
I can respect that Halo got MLG where it is now, hell I played in Halo 3 Meadowlands '09, but Halo is fading as an ESPORT and it's all because Reach was NOT a good game.
Hopefully a new tournament format that makes it so if you are in the final four in the last tournament you only have to win 4 series to win the whole thing while other players have to play 20+ series to make it to the end.
MLG is going global and significantly increasing its prize pool - that we know for sure. I hope they expand to the bigger cities for greater exposure (I mean seriously, Providence?). I'd like to sea New York, London, Paris, Sydney (for my own sake) and so on. That would be epic and mean larger crowds.
On November 21 2011 12:33 cyberspace wrote: MLG drops LoL and picks up Dota 2.
Im not sure tho, how many people play Dota? because apparently 35 million play LoL.....I don't know numbers, but i'd imagine they'd go with whichever game has more potential viewers.
On November 21 2011 12:47 m3rciless wrote: What are the numbers for membership? Did mlg get 100k or what?
I saw a Tweet somewhere about being at 190k concurrent viewers during DRG vs Leenock
He doesn't mean viewers, he means Sundance tweeting that if they got 100k gold subscribers they would make the prize pool $1million or something like that
On November 21 2011 12:47 m3rciless wrote: What are the numbers for membership? Did mlg get 100k or what?
I saw a Tweet somewhere about being at 190k concurrent viewers during DRG vs Leenock
He doesn't mean viewers, he means Sundance tweeting that if they got 100k gold subscribers they would make the prize pool $1million or something like that
Oh, well, I don't think they got 100k Gold Subscribers because of the silly Free Silver Membership they did.
I bought Gold anyway, just like I buy a ticket for every league I can, because I <3 ESPORTS
On November 21 2011 12:47 m3rciless wrote: What are the numbers for membership? Did mlg get 100k or what?
I saw a Tweet somewhere about being at 190k concurrent viewers during DRG vs Leenock
He doesn't mean viewers, he means Sundance tweeting that if they got 100k gold subscribers they would make the prize pool $1million or something like that
Oh, well, I don't think they got 100k Gold Subscribers because of the silly Free Silver Membership they did.
I bought Gold anyway, just like I buy a ticket for every league I can, because I <3 ESPORTS
i am actually pretty sure they did get the 100K GOld Subscribers
I know they're easterners, but it makes so much more sense to base it near LA or San Fran for Korea's sake, proximity to video game developers, etc. Whatever they do, I'm sure it will be awesome. Props. I bought the $30 pass, let's get to 100,000 subscribers.
On November 21 2011 12:33 cyberspace wrote: MLG drops LoL and picks up Dota 2.
Im not sure tho, how many people play Dota? because apparently 35 million play LoL.....I don't know numbers, but i'd imagine they'd go with whichever game has more potential viewers.
Dota 2 is going to have a crazy amount of viewers
Dota (1 and 2) definitely has higher viewers numbers than LoL and SC2 for now. But the "problem" is that the majority of the Dota players are from China and Southeast Asia which might not really be relevant to MLG sponsors and these viewers might not be attracted to MLG in general. Current Chinese dota is somewhat like Korean BW, they don't really care much about foreign events because they know the highest quality events and tournaments are in their own country and considering it's China, they have a big enough domestic market anyway so they don't really have to appeal to international market.
I truly do enjoy watching some fighting games, SSF4 comes to mind, they should add that or another if they can find a better one. No tag team games like MVC3 please.
Also I love shooters but try and find one that pros respect more and is more entertaining... it might not be made yet.
My wishlist: -no more extended series, -point decay in pool standing, -last 1 or 2 places in pool play placed somewhere in the Losers Bracket so losing in pool actually mean something, -distributed prize pool for the first 32 places instead of just top 8, even gesture prizes are fine, -more than 5k first place for the non-final MLG tours so open bracket European players actually have an incentive to come,
-Reorganize championship Sunday so open bracket players won't die from exhaustion!
On November 21 2011 11:26 TheAuditor wrote: I thought after that post Sundance has since changed and is talking about 4 seasons a year of online tournaments and the finals live. And then he was debating on a grand final for the year.
Also he tweeted somewhere asking the fans if they wanted $500,000 throughout the year and $1million final or $1 million throughout the year and $500,000 final
If that's the case, $1,250,000 throughout the year and $250,000 final.
Bigger prize pool means lower places get more $ which means more Korean and European talent especially will come for the events.
I'd also like to see the return of MLG Atlanta, because that's where I'm from, but that's very unlikely. Raleigh is only a 6 hour drive, and Orlando is only like 9, so it's do-able for me.
Well 1250,000 throughout the year spread at 4 events makes the final smaller than the regular season
On November 21 2011 12:33 cyberspace wrote: MLG drops LoL and picks up Dota 2.
Im not sure tho, how many people play Dota? because apparently 35 million play LoL.....I don't know numbers, but i'd imagine they'd go with whichever game has more potential viewers.
A boatload of people play the Sims too, that doesn't make it a good e-sport game though.
On November 21 2011 12:33 cyberspace wrote: MLG drops LoL and picks up Dota 2.
Im not sure tho, how many people play Dota? because apparently 35 million play LoL.....I don't know numbers, but i'd imagine they'd go with whichever game has more potential viewers.
A boatload of people play the Sims too, that doesn't make it a good e-sport game though.
On November 21 2011 12:33 cyberspace wrote: MLG drops LoL and picks up Dota 2.
Im not sure tho, how many people play Dota? because apparently 35 million play LoL.....I don't know numbers, but i'd imagine they'd go with whichever game has more potential viewers.
A boatload of people play the Sims too, that doesn't make it a good e-sport game though.
wait sims has multiplayer?
Schh, don't tell anyone!
Regardless, hypothetically, if that where the case, point still stands.
somehow i think providence was less awesome than orlando, despite the player pool and prize pool.
i think MLGs must be held no closer together than 2 months, or else all the excitement is lost..
that way more planning can be made to each event, stages, seats, open bracket matches can all be made more comfortable and more pleasant experience for everyone
On November 21 2011 19:38 ThePlayer33 wrote: somehow i think providence was less awesome than orlando, despite the player pool and prize pool.
i think MLGs must be held no closer together than 2 months, or else all the excitement is lost..
that way more planning can be made to each event, stages, seats, open bracket matches can all be made more comfortable and more pleasant experience for everyone
The only thing Orlando had over Providence was the crowd. Columbus, Anaheim, and Orlando had some of the best crowds this season. They cheered at appropriate times and always stayed loud. I would be surprised if MLG doesn't return to those places.
Even if they do remove extended series, if the tournament stays double elimination then the final should always be WB champ needs to win 1xBo3 while LB champ needs to win 2xBo3. Anything else favors the LB champ simply for having lost a series once and still being in the tournament.
Extended series in a short tournament is good, it takes into account the performance balance between two players over 1-2 days. Should we not take into account the fact that Nani had won over DRG 1 hour before finals, had DRG won over Leenock?
As MLG wants to support E-Sports they should pick up the relevant titles first and drop the console games.
- FPS: Quake - Team-FPS: CS 1.6 (or GO if it's accepted) - RTS: SC2 - Dota: Dota2 (not LOL)
Those games have the most respected Communities and the biggest viewerbase (Dota > LOL, comparing watchability as a spectator).
For the tourneys itself: Drop Extended Series Do something so Pool Players aren't seeded automatically and lose their spots (seeding them into Open Bracket in earlier Rounds!)
The following is a bit of what I have gathered from Sundance's various leaks and teases.
-2012 to be divided into 4 seasons where they will host competitions both online and in their studios in Texas (where JP is based) and New York (where most of MLG is based). Each season culminates in a big event weekend comparable to what they ran this weekend in Providence, with a possible 5th event as a Grand Championship type of deal.
-Dramatically increased prize pools.
-40 weeks a year of live content, but not necessarily every game every week in order to prevent oversaturation. Might be SC2/Halo one week and Gears/LoL the next for example.
-The MLG Global Invitational was sort of a beta test for the online component of next year’s system, and points towards seeding at the big live events will be able to be earned online.
-More ways into the pools (and by extension out of them). The online component mentioned, but also the possibility of local feeder tournaments.
Lots of this info came from the vVv podcast interview Sundance did a while back that you can listen to here. Also the MLG FAQ Episode 1 has a bit of good stuff. Twitter and other interviews from events are also good sources of leaks for anyone who really feels like spending a few hours playing Internet Detective.
On November 21 2011 23:40 fleeze wrote: As MLG wants to support E-Sports they should pick up the relevant titles first and drop the console games.
- FPS: Quake - Team-FPS: CS 1.6 (or GO if it's accepted) - RTS: SC2 - Dota: Dota2 (not LOL)
Those games have the most respected Communities and the biggest viewerbase (Dota > LOL, comparing watchability as a spectator).
For the tourneys itself: Drop Extended Series Do something so Pool Players aren't seeded automatically and lose their spots (seeding them into Open Bracket in earlier Rounds!)
I'm gonna have to agree here. Maybe not with the Dota part [I don't think there should be any dota whatsoever. It's like a minigame.], but yes with the removing Console games. If anyone has gone to an MLG, they would literally all support the fact that there were immense amount of open chairs in the Halo and Cod sections, while people were standing in the aisles, behind the chairs, even going back to the open bracket computers. SC2 has taken over, and they need to acknowledge that.
On November 21 2011 23:40 fleeze wrote: As MLG wants to support E-Sports they should pick up the relevant titles first and drop the console games.
- FPS: Quake - Team-FPS: CS 1.6 (or GO if it's accepted) - RTS: SC2 - Dota: Dota2 (not LOL)
Those games have the most respected Communities and the biggest viewerbase (Dota > LOL, comparing watchability as a spectator).
For the tourneys itself: Drop Extended Series Do something so Pool Players aren't seeded automatically and lose their spots (seeding them into Open Bracket in earlier Rounds!)
I'm gonna have to agree here. Maybe not with the Dota part [I don't think there should be any dota whatsoever. It's like a minigame.], but yes with the removing Console games. If anyone has gone to an MLG, they would literally all support the fact that there were immense amount of open chairs in the Halo and Cod sections, while people were standing in the aisles, behind the chairs, even going back to the open bracket computers. SC2 has taken over, and they need to acknowledge that.
To think Quake, CS, and Dota will get more open bracket attendees and live attendees than console games is pretty dumb. Halo is MLG's heart and soul. And with 343i making Halo 4. It has a bright future.
Also, MLG has a wide variety of games, and I don't see them dropping console games any time at all.
On November 21 2011 14:03 Quiescence wrote: My wishlist: -no more extended series, -point decay in pool standing, -last 1 or 2 places in pool play placed somewhere in the Losers Bracket so losing in pool actually mean something, -distributed prize pool for the first 32 places instead of just top 8, even gesture prizes are fine, -more than 5k first place for the non-final MLG tours so open bracket European players actually have an incentive to come,
-Reorganize championship Sunday so open bracket players won't die from exhaustion!
They do. Only 1st place in pool play gets into the winners bracket. Rest go into the losers bracket but depending on place between 2-5 you get further up the higher in the group you place.
mlg chicago one of the biggest cities in the world come on obama is from here. hopefully sundance is scrolling through this thread and he is an obama fan.
On November 21 2011 12:33 cyberspace wrote: MLG drops LoL and picks up Dota 2.
Im not sure tho, how many people play Dota? because apparently 35 million play LoL.....I don't know numbers, but i'd imagine they'd go with whichever game has more potential viewers.
A boatload of people play the Sims too, that doesn't make it a good e-sport game though.
wait sims has multiplayer?
Schh, don't tell anyone!
Regardless, hypothetically, if that where the case, point still stands.
Same goes for, say, World of Warcraft.
how is dota2 better. isnt it more of the same
the only thing dota2 can have up on lol is the pace of the game. Is that the case?
Whatever it is, if its going to be one organization that changes sc2 its going to MLG. They care about their organization so much, they care and interact with the community so much (all the different shows they do, all the constant twitter stuff), their events are AMAZING, they have so much money from all their sponsors (mainstream sponsors with that as well such as dr. pepper, stride, nos, bic, sony erricson, and hotpockets), and they are getting all the attention from mainstream tv. I have all my confidence in MLG and will continue to buy their passes because I believe they are the company to support if you want to change esports.
Wow, i dont even know what i can really speculate on this, If they came to the UK i would be sorta thrilled, i mean, the only reason i watch MLG is because of the big names like huk nestea mvp etc... I dont think i'd actually watch it if none of them were there as i don't think there is any big name UK players except from demuslim and maybe DignitasBling......
India doesn't make sense to me. Is there a potential large market there for e-sports? Perhaps there is something there but I haven't heard much from that part of the world.
On December 06 2011 05:30 quantumslip wrote: India doesn't make sense to me. Is there a potential large market there for e-sports? Perhaps there is something there but I haven't heard much from that part of the world.
all the pieces are there for a fucking insanely huge market, they are just scattered around. the first person to realize this will become rich as hell. I tried to develop something with esports in india but didnt have enough money to invest into the project, however I know for a fact that whoever sees the potential and uses it well will be successful.
the culture happens to be very korean-like as well but thats just a side point.
i also happen to be indian ethnicity (born in us) but there is no bias (just business interest hehe); there aren't any good players there but there is lots of interest and inner competition, and young organizations trying to stay alive and get local sponsors. if they were provided with some infrastructure i think it would blow up.
right now their fps community is growing rapidly. cant say the same about sc2, there is like one player that is remotely close to being a pro (raziel, wc3/sc2 'pro', was at IEM)
On November 21 2011 23:40 fleeze wrote: As MLG wants to support E-Sports they should pick up the relevant titles first and drop the console games.
- FPS: Quake - Team-FPS: CS 1.6 (or GO if it's accepted) - RTS: SC2 - Dota: Dota2 (not LOL)
Those games have the most respected Communities and the biggest viewerbase (Dota > LOL, comparing watchability as a spectator).
Suggesting dropping console games is so stupid imo. Like sooo many ppl are computer elitist yet fail to realize taht the only way that e sports is going to really take off (yes it's still very small comparatively) is by using the medium through console gamers. Computers in many western countries still have a stigma of nerdyness whereas consoles have broken this stigma, the hands down biggest market of game players are those who are exceptionally casual and are either on things like fb games, phone games, and console games. Trying to grow a playerbase by forcing hardcore gaming reinforced with already prevalent social stigmas is just plain dumb. Computer games, and especially esports, needs console games and the more casual scenes, much more than most people realize because they are the medium most times, between casual gamers and the perceived computer nerds.
On November 21 2011 23:40 fleeze wrote: As MLG wants to support E-Sports they should pick up the relevant titles first and drop the console games.
- FPS: Quake - Team-FPS: CS 1.6 (or GO if it's accepted) - RTS: SC2 - Dota: Dota2 (not LOL)
Those games have the most respected Communities and the biggest viewerbase (Dota > LOL, comparing watchability as a spectator).
For the tourneys itself: Drop Extended Series Do something so Pool Players aren't seeded automatically and lose their spots (seeding them into Open Bracket in earlier Rounds!)
why would they want to alienate the console players? Halo has been their flagship game and has gotten them on ESPN (though it obviously didn't stick). Maybe its not AS competitive as those games, but its still an incredible hard game to master and play at that level. Its also pretty entertaining to watch in the few games I've seen. Not sure why they should just drop it completely. Bringing on a quake or something wouldn't be a bad idea, but no need to kick out halo, just because its on a dreaded console.
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On December 06 2011 05:34 Ace.Xile wrote:
Suggesting dropping console games is so stupid imo. Like sooo many ppl are computer elitist yet fail to realize taht the only way that e sports is going to really take off (yes it's still very small comparatively) is by using the medium through console gamers. Computers in many western countries still have a stigma of nerdyness whereas consoles have broken this stigma, the hands down biggest market of game players are those who are exceptionally casual and are either on things like fb games, phone games, and console games. Trying to grow a playerbase by forcing hardcore gaming reinforced with already prevalent social stigmas is just plain dumb. Computer games, and especially esports, needs console games and the more casual scenes, much more than most people realize because they are the medium most times, between casual gamers and the perceived computer nerds.
yeah, pretty much what I was trying to get across. The elitist attitude so many people have is really stifling potential growth. The huuuuuuge console market has really not been tapped yet.
On December 06 2011 05:30 quantumslip wrote: India doesn't make sense to me. Is there a potential large market there for e-sports? Perhaps there is something there but I haven't heard much from that part of the world.
They are 2nd world country if I am not mistaken though. not sure how many of them have computers (or play starcraft).
We welcome all people to starcraft though. I do not discriminate on who's ass i will whoop on the ladder, i hand out beatings regardless of homeland
India could certainly be an untapped resource though. If starcraft was their first introduction and garnered a bit of a following in india, their population could definitely provide for a couple new pro players on the scene
On December 06 2011 05:30 quantumslip wrote: India doesn't make sense to me. Is there a potential large market there for e-sports? Perhaps there is something there but I haven't heard much from that part of the world.
They are 2nd world country if I am not mistaken though. not sure how many of them have computers (or play starcraft).
We welcome all people to starcraft though. I do not discriminate on who's ass i will whoop on the ladder, i hand out beatings regardless of homeland
India could certainly be an untapped resource though. If starcraft was their first introduction and garnered a bit of a following in india, their population could definitely provide for a couple new pro players on the scene
Indias population is almost 25 times that of South Korea, the potential playerbase is huge. I'm not sure what seoul had to do with this and i'd hardly call India a second world country. They're by and large really intelligent, a really huge economy compared to most nations and are growing at an almost ridiculous rate, inequality is an issue but still.
On December 06 2011 05:30 quantumslip wrote: India doesn't make sense to me. Is there a potential large market there for e-sports? Perhaps there is something there but I haven't heard much from that part of the world.
They are 2nd world country if I am not mistaken though. not sure how many of them have computers (or play starcraft).
We welcome all people to starcraft though. I do not discriminate on who's ass i will whoop on the ladder, i hand out beatings regardless of homeland
India could certainly be an untapped resource though. If starcraft was their first introduction and garnered a bit of a following in india, their population could definitely provide for a couple new pro players on the scene
Indias population is almost 25 times that of South Korea, the potential playerbase is huge. I'm not sure what seoul had to do with this and i'd hardly call India a second world country. They're by and large really intelligent, a really huge economy compared to most nations and are growing at an almost ridiculous rate.
um.. the reason i brought up seoul is because you know.. people play starcraft there.. pretty well if i'm not mistaken? and they like.. have a lot of people who watch it.. enough to support it as a viable industry.
i guess according to wikipedia, india is actually a third world country, sorry for my mistake in assumign they had stepped it up a level: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_World
that map is probably flawd though. i would find it hard to believe SK is a third world country (as it has been labeled)
my statement made no reference to any assumptions regarding their inteligence. It was more of an inference that they may not have the techonological capabilities to adopt SC2 to a level that is has been adopted in ohter areas of the world
I think they will host smaller tournaments in other countries and the winners will get free travel, stay and an invite for the next MLG, like IPL has done for IPL4.
On December 06 2011 05:30 quantumslip wrote: India doesn't make sense to me. Is there a potential large market there for e-sports? Perhaps there is something there but I haven't heard much from that part of the world.
They are 2nd world country if I am not mistaken though. not sure how many of them have computers (or play starcraft).
We welcome all people to starcraft though. I do not discriminate on who's ass i will whoop on the ladder, i hand out beatings regardless of homeland
India could certainly be an untapped resource though. If starcraft was their first introduction and garnered a bit of a following in india, their population could definitely provide for a couple new pro players on the scene
Indias population is almost 25 times that of South Korea, the potential playerbase is huge. I'm not sure what seoul had to do with this and i'd hardly call India a second world country. They're by and large really intelligent, a really huge economy compared to most nations and are growing at an almost ridiculous rate.
um.. the reason i brought up seoul is because you know.. people play starcraft there.. pretty well if i'm not mistaken? and they like.. have a lot of people who watch it.. enough to support it as a viable industry.
i guess according to wikipedia, india is actually a third world country, sorry for my mistake in assumign they had stepped it up a level: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_World
my statement made no reference to any assumptions regarding their inteligence. It was more of an inference that they may not have the techonological capabilities to adopt SC2 to a level that is has been adopted in ohter areas of the world
They do, they're not a third world country... for the second time, the only sense that they were at one point third world was by using the idea of allignment to explain the divisions of worlds, and during the 50s they were "third world" by that term, because they were primarily non-alligned until they were forced to allign with the USSR (which would then even make them 2nd world). You provided a link that talked about allignment policies not the typical 1st/3rd world division. Seoul is just the capital, comparing population density seems rather pointless, when in fact India is 25 times bigger in terms of population. Yes one city in one country in the world watches alot of sc2, how does their size and population compared to another cities have any reflection upon how the country would work with e sports, especially when utterly ignoring the overarching fact that that country is vastly more populous than the other.
On December 06 2011 05:30 quantumslip wrote: India doesn't make sense to me. Is there a potential large market there for e-sports? Perhaps there is something there but I haven't heard much from that part of the world.
They are 2nd world country if I am not mistaken though. not sure how many of them have computers (or play starcraft).
We welcome all people to starcraft though. I do not discriminate on who's ass i will whoop on the ladder, i hand out beatings regardless of homeland
India could certainly be an untapped resource though. If starcraft was their first introduction and garnered a bit of a following in india, their population could definitely provide for a couple new pro players on the scene
Indias population is almost 25 times that of South Korea, the potential playerbase is huge. I'm not sure what seoul had to do with this and i'd hardly call India a second world country. They're by and large really intelligent, a really huge economy compared to most nations and are growing at an almost ridiculous rate.
um.. the reason i brought up seoul is because you know.. people play starcraft there.. pretty well if i'm not mistaken? and they like.. have a lot of people who watch it.. enough to support it as a viable industry.
i guess according to wikipedia, india is actually a third world country, sorry for my mistake in assumign they had stepped it up a level: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_World
my statement made no reference to any assumptions regarding their inteligence. It was more of an inference that they may not have the techonological capabilities to adopt SC2 to a level that is has been adopted in ohter areas of the world
They do, they're not a third world country... for the second time. Seoul is just the capital, comparing population density seems rather pointless, when in fact India is 25 times bigger in terms of population. Yes one city in one country in the world watches alot of sc2, how does their size and population compared to another cities have any reflection upon how the country would work with e sports.
are you trolling me?
how is population density not relevant? it would take you days to drive across the entire country to watch a live MLG event. Population density is very important when planning the location for a live event
That is probably one of the biggest reasons why there was nearly no turnout for NASL (even though Ontario is only a couple hours away from LA)
Also, india is a developing coutnry. If I had to bet my last dollar one way or the other, i certainly wouldnt put it on india being a 1st world country.
India has a lot of poverty if i am not mistaken. Many probably dont have TVs or computers to watch starcraft. Again though.. i really dont know, just saying what my impressions of the country are.
If you were to bring it to London and bring Day9 along with you, it might happen to be the best thing to happen next year (yes it'll be better than the Olympics)!
On December 06 2011 06:05 CactusSC2 wrote: i Hope it doesnt change too drastically... I mean I loved playing in the National Championship and I'd hate to lose stuff like that...
maybe they'll call it the world championship... i think they'll keep that part of MLG in some form or fashion. technically MLG winners are not just national champions anymore, as many of the past winners for sc2 are not from the US.
On November 21 2011 11:27 Grackodile wrote: I wish MLG would work something out with blizzard and have an separate MLG ladder that you can play as opposed to blizzards ladder and then pull the top players to compete.
That would be good in so many ways, doesnt having to bother with those streamsniping bitches like deezer.
I cannot see an MLG in India, it simply does not make sense as there is almost no SC2 scene there. Sure population density is nice, but when very few people in the country play SC2, the result will still be low-turnout. Sweden has a low population density, but since Esports is strong there, they can fill stadiums like at Dreamhack.
MLG Canada is more likely and would already be a huge step.
On November 21 2011 11:27 Grackodile wrote: I wish MLG would work something out with blizzard and have an separate MLG ladder that you can play as opposed to blizzards ladder and then pull the top players to compete.
That would be good in so many ways, doesnt having to bother with those streamsniping bitches like deezer.
On November 21 2011 11:27 Grackodile wrote: I wish MLG would work something out with blizzard and have an separate MLG ladder that you can play as opposed to blizzards ladder and then pull the top players to compete.
That would be good in so many ways, doesnt having to bother with those streamsniping bitches like deezer.
it would be bad because maphackers would ruin it
I'm pretty sure ther wouldn't be any maphackers. (That wouldn't get busted at least)
I like the ladder idea so i would like to see that, not huge on the on tv bit unless they get actual casters like Artosis, Day[9], and such not these station hired guys who know almost nothing of the game. Though for some predictions maybe make it alittle more far flung world wide but not too far from home maybe yea like some Canadian locations (i.e. Calgery, Ottawa, and Montreal to name a couple) Like one no more then 2 a year an on opposite ends of Canada so like Vancouver and Montreal or something.
Dream Tour: Vegas (Nothing like starting the yaer with a bang :D) Vancouver (To keep with the Canadian idea) Chicago (Gotta hit mid america so here ya go ) Then to Miami Then nothwards to Canada again w/ Montreal An then the Championship in NYC (No place bigger then to end the year in NYC So many people would come out it would be mind numbing )
I think that would be the best line up since it hits the west coast, middle america, the east coast, and both ends of Canada so as to draw in fans from all over the continent like they did this year I dont know just my ideas and predictions
(Sorry if it's a bit hard to read, im notorious for my grammar and run on sentences )
My prediction is that they will hold smaller LAN qualifiers with partner companies in Europe and Asia which will give the winners guaranteed slots outside of a so-called "open bracket". Them expanding to full on events in Europe and Asia in one year just seems to quick - MLG likes to move things slowly but surely without taking big risks such as suddenly announcing an expansion to two continents.
They also said their system will change so I realize there probably won't be a champ bracket but there probably will be something in place to still favor the favorite players.
I think it will be something like Intel Extreme Masters. There you have an EU qualifier, Asia qualifier, US qualifier, etc. Then the winners meet in the main portion of the tournament. The champions bracket at MLG will be different every event - not based on overall points but based on individual qualifiers. The main events will all be in the USA (maybe Canada?). There still will be an open bracket where 4 players get in or something like that.
On December 06 2011 07:28 mki wrote: My prediction is that they will hold smaller LAN qualifiers with partner companies in Europe and Asia which will give the winners guaranteed slots outside of a so-called "open bracket". Them expanding to full on events in Europe and Asia in one year just seems to quick - MLG likes to move things slowly but surely without taking big risks such as suddenly announcing an expansion to two continents.
They also said their system will change so I realize there probably won't be a champ bracket but there probably will be something in place to still favor the favorite players.
I think it will be something like Intel Extreme Masters. There you have an EU qualifier, Asia qualifier, US qualifier, etc. Then the winners meet in the main portion of the tournament. The champions bracket at MLG will be different every event - not based on overall points but based on individual qualifiers. The main events will all be in the USA (maybe Canada?). There still will be an open bracket where 4 players get in or something like that.
Just my prediction.
That looks pretty viable to me, I think it'll come down to something similar in the end.
On November 21 2011 11:27 Grackodile wrote: I wish MLG would work something out with blizzard and have an separate MLG ladder that you can play as opposed to blizzards ladder and then pull the top players to compete.
That would be good in so many ways, doesnt having to bother with those streamsniping bitches like deezer.
Not really. It would be composed of fairly the same names we see today.
MLG Brasil? DUDEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE thats epic by itself, i just wonder if all the top pros will be going to the international events though if they do thats gona be sooo sweet. If tastosis came i'd be such a happy nerd.
On December 06 2011 07:03 SpeaKEaSY wrote: Hope they do something in NY, or at least the Meadowlands as they've done before. Really looking forward to eSports in 2012.
Meadows venue is too small now. They've said that in the past .
On December 06 2011 08:17 AceOfSpaces wrote: MLG Brasil? DUDEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE thats epic by itself, i just wonder if all the top pros will be going to the international events though if they do thats gona be sooo sweet. If tastosis came i'd be such a happy nerd.
I highly doubt MLG is going to hold their main events out of NA. I would assume that these would be more regional events, and would allow for MLG to expand its brand.
On December 06 2011 08:17 AceOfSpaces wrote: MLG Brasil? DUDEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE thats epic by itself, i just wonder if all the top pros will be going to the international events though if they do thats gona be sooo sweet. If tastosis came i'd be such a happy nerd.
I highly doubt MLG is going to hold their main events out of NA. I would assume that these would be more regional events, and would allow for MLG to expand its brand.
I am with you man Though I think we can all agree that MLG is going international now in some way.
On December 06 2011 07:03 SpeaKEaSY wrote: Hope they do something in NY, or at least the Meadowlands as they've done before. Really looking forward to eSports in 2012.
or they could pull a dreamhack and have it in madison square garden? how sick would that be, probably not realistic, but its a wish
I'd like to see some new game(s) injected/tried out. Love me some SC2. But I'm also interested in something like a CS styled game (I do not like the respawn based games) and virtua fighter type of game. Communities probably aren't there for those though.
I think I should have posted this here, so I'll just do that. My theory is that it is a MLG-ESL partnership, and here was a thread I made:
I've heard rumors that there is a partnership, is this true? There were some tweets by Sundance with hints of an announcement, and tonight on Fuck Slasher someone called in asking Slasher and Chobopeon about the partnership. They were shocked by the question and silent for a few seconds before completely denying everything, Slasher saying it does not exist, and hanging up before the caller could say anything more. Later, in the stream chat, someone asked about it and the person was swiftly banned by JP:
On December 06 2011 11:52 BasilForSkin wrote: I think I should have posted this here, so I'll just do that. My theory is that it is a MLG-ESL partnership, and here was a thread I made:
I've heard rumors that there is a partnership, is this true? There were some tweets by Sundance with hints of an announcement, and tonight on Fuck Slasher someone called in asking Slasher and Chobopeon about the partnership. They were shocked by the question and silent for a few seconds before completely denying everything, Slasher saying it does not exist, and hanging up before the caller could say anything more. Later, in the stream chat, someone asked about it and the person was swiftly banned by JP:
0.o
that is would be amazing too :D
What erver MLG brings us next year, it will be amazing! :D
On December 06 2011 11:52 BasilForSkin wrote: I think I should have posted this here, so I'll just do that. My theory is that it is a MLG-ESL partnership, and here was a thread I made:
I've heard rumors that there is a partnership, is this true? There were some tweets by Sundance with hints of an announcement, and tonight on Fuck Slasher someone called in asking Slasher and Chobopeon about the partnership. They were shocked by the question and silent for a few seconds before completely denying everything, Slasher saying it does not exist, and hanging up before the caller could say anything more. Later, in the stream chat, someone asked about it and the person was swiftly banned by JP:
nothing like international CoD tournaments. I can't really see a lot of CoD/Halo teams sending players to India for an MLG. That's a whole whole lotta $$ to front when traveling internationally.
On December 06 2011 14:02 metbull wrote: nothing like international CoD tournaments. I can't really see a lot of CoD/Halo teams sending players to India for an MLG. That's a whole whole lotta $$ to front when traveling internationally.
the best would go and the rest would stay behind, it's the same thing for SC2.. you don't see every team sending players to code a qualifiers or dreamhack or MLGs, just select few from each country that think they have a shot, there are select few Europeans and Koreans in MLGs, just like there are select few NA and Asian players in the open bracket of Dreamhack, same thing for Code A qualifiers, the majority are koreans.
Also MLG has travel stipends for the top teams, and if they went to another continent for a main event, they would be sure to bring the best along with them, otherwise their content won't be as good.
Just as long as MLG still hits the northeast USA. As someone from NJ, I happily made the drive to Providence and drove to Columbus too. I was not disappointed
i think there should be at least 2month gaps between MLG. it really will help the excitement and importance of the tournament. this is from what i felt about orlando and providence
On December 06 2011 17:16 ThePlayer33 wrote: i think there should be at least 2month gaps between MLG. it really will help the excitement and importance of the tournament. this is from what i felt about orlando and providence
Orlando was the best out of all of the regular season ones ^^
On December 06 2011 17:16 ThePlayer33 wrote: i think there should be at least 2month gaps between MLG. it really will help the excitement and importance of the tournament. this is from what i felt about orlando and providence
So true, tournaments tend to water down because they are too frequently, the most prominent example being the GSL.
On December 06 2011 18:16 Benjef wrote: Wouldn't suprise me to see them partner up with someone again or do more with IMG. Afaik they have a huge list of new sponsors for the next season.
I can't believe I'm more hype for the sponsors of the 2012 season. More big name companies coming into esports is always good.
On December 06 2011 18:08 Slasher wrote: The OP is full of shit and Basil is the one that called my show to begin with. He's just making shit up, at least in regards to MLG-ESL.
On December 06 2011 18:08 Slasher wrote: The OP is full of shit and Basil is the one that called my show to begin with. He's just making shit up, at least in regards to MLG-ESL.
Whoa man, please be a little more respectful. I like you!
On November 21 2011 23:40 fleeze wrote: As MLG wants to support E-Sports they should pick up the relevant titles first and drop the console games.
- FPS: Quake - Team-FPS: CS 1.6 (or GO if it's accepted) - RTS: SC2 - Dota: Dota2 (not LOL)
Those games have the most respected Communities and the biggest viewerbase (Dota > LOL, comparing watchability as a spectator).
For the tourneys itself: Drop Extended Series Do something so Pool Players aren't seeded automatically and lose their spots (seeding them into Open Bracket in earlier Rounds!)
why would they want to alienate the console players? Halo has been their flagship game and has gotten them on ESPN (though it obviously didn't stick). Maybe its not AS competitive as those games, but its still an incredible hard game to master and play at that level. Its also pretty entertaining to watch in the few games I've seen. Not sure why they should just drop it completely. Bringing on a quake or something wouldn't be a bad idea, but no need to kick out halo, just because its on a dreaded console.
it's actually pretty simple. halo is no e-sport at all. it is just a game people play for fun as most console games are (excluding fighting games like Tekken and Street Fighter) and it is not competitive. but i won't expand this further as there is no point in debatting this. but i have this to add: if halo is the flagship of console gaming why are there nearly no teams outside of the US? where is the GLOBAL console scene? perhaps because consoles are just limited to gaming but many families have a computer for work anyway? this is especially true in countries where the population is not that rich. and most e-sports games run on really old computers that are affordable. just look at the hardware requirements of BW, quake, CS 1.6. or WC3 (Dota).
On December 06 2011 05:34 Ace.Xile wrote:
Suggesting dropping console games is so stupid imo. Like sooo many ppl are computer elitist yet fail to realize taht the only way that e sports is going to really take off (yes it's still very small comparatively) is by using the medium through console gamers. Computers in many western countries still have a stigma of nerdyness whereas consoles have broken this stigma, the hands down biggest market of game players are those who are exceptionally casual and are either on things like fb games, phone games, and console games. Trying to grow a playerbase by forcing hardcore gaming reinforced with already prevalent social stigmas is just plain dumb. Computer games, and especially esports, needs console games and the more casual scenes, much more than most people realize because they are the medium most times, between casual gamers and the perceived computer nerds.
i hate people arguing with "marketing" things. but first: there is no difference in a "stigmata" of console or PC players. consoles are in fact considered more nerdy in germany at least because well, you can only play on a console while you can also work with a computer. second: i and many others don't give a shit about people playing fb games, phone games or console games. i don't even want those people playing sc2 (or any other game i play competitively) because sc2 is not casual and if they start playing it will become more casual (look at WOW for reference).
so i don't agree at all that we "need" console games or casual scenes. if casual people watch e-sports games because they like it it's fine. if they don't because there's no console games in there then who cares? this stupid forced "moar growth" sounds like total business economics logic to me which should not be applied at all to gaming. "forced" growth is not healthy at all and you have to make compensations for those people that will hurt the scene.
just let it grow naturally. like it has been since the days of quake in the '90s. unfortunately there are too many people in the scene nowadays that don't know about the growth of e-sports and just think it appeared with sc2.
btw: e-sports IS elitist. just like any soccer or basketball player is elitist if he is playing competitive. and i also only picked the "elitist" games, not the dumbed down versions that are maybe played by more people and have better visuals to please the sponsors (CS:Source as an excellent example for both) but are way worse to watch. even DOTA as an e-sport is debattable IMHO (but the scene in asia is BIG).
On December 06 2011 18:08 Slasher wrote: The OP is full of shit and Basil is the one that called my show to begin with. He's just making shit up, at least in regards to MLG-ESL.
if MLG or whoever makes announcements of announcements it is pretty dumb to complain about the following speculations. but i like it actually if those marketing attempts of creating "hype" backfire. should happen more often.
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On December 07 2011 14:32 LuckyFool wrote: I hope they still have awesome major events in north america !! I'll try to go to as many as I can next year !
Sundance confirmed that Anaheim is a lock, mainly because of Blizzard.
Also he mentioned another eSports league is gonna work with them to host events outside of NA, probably Dreamhack, IEM, and GSL.
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Anyone excited or just me? :|
If true that is amazing! Off course, as long as the price does not go up. BTW, can you give us a source? (like a link to where he says it)
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Anyone excited or just me? :|
If true that is amazing! Off course, as long as the price does not go up. BTW, can you give us a source? (like a link to where he says it)
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Anyone excited or just me? :|
If true that is amazing! Off course, as long as the price does not go up. BTW, can you give us a source? (like a link to where he says it)
So, from what I am hearing in that interview: Halo is dead next year CoD, and Gears are on. SSF is coming? LoL coming StarCraftII main one and even better.
On December 07 2011 14:43 carloselcoco wrote: So, from what I am hearing in that interview: Halo is dead next year CoD, and Gears are on. SSF is coming? LoL coming StarCraftII main one and even better.
SSF is on hold, because some ppl in FGC are stopping it, From what I can recall.
On December 07 2011 14:43 carloselcoco wrote: So, from what I am hearing in that interview: Halo is dead next year CoD, and Gears are on. SSF is coming? LoL coming StarCraftII main one and even better.
SSF is on hold, because some ppl in FGC are stopping it, From what I can recall.
Ohh, kk. Not like I like that game anyways xD (sorry :/ Takken forever )
On December 07 2011 14:43 carloselcoco wrote: So, from what I am hearing in that interview: Halo is dead next year CoD, and Gears are on. SSF is coming? LoL coming StarCraftII main one and even better.
SSF is on hold, because some ppl in FGC are stopping it, From what I can recall.
Ohh, kk. Not like I like that game anyways xD (sorry :/ Takken forever )
If Capcom doesn't work, Sundance said He'll focus money into Tekken and other fighters.
On December 07 2011 14:50 Spaceneil8 wrote: He did say extended series isn't going anywhere.
Yea, MLGAdam even confirmed mid season that extended series is the one thing that's not going away, Sundance just confirmed it on the vVv podcast today.
-Tekken (I've watched Korean televised tournaments and it honestly works pretty good as a spectator sport- especially when you have team winner-stays-on tournaments rather than solo) -Dota 2- (Come on, you know it's better than LOL, lol) -Not too many tournaments but more prize money if possible.
On December 07 2011 14:50 Spaceneil8 wrote: He did say extended series isn't going anywhere.
Yea, MLGAdam even confirmed mid season that extended series is the one thing that's not going away, Sundance just confirmed it on the vVv podcast today.
I really did not want it to be gone! That is excellent news
On December 07 2011 14:43 carloselcoco wrote: So, from what I am hearing in that interview: Halo is dead next year CoD, and Gears are on. SSF is coming? LoL coming StarCraftII main one and even better.
SSF is on hold, because some ppl in FGC are stopping it, From what I can recall.
Ohh, kk. Not like I like that game anyways xD (sorry :/ Takken forever )
If Capcom doesn't work, Sundance said He'll focus money into Tekken and other fighters.
This makes me so skeptical... I mean Capcom fighting games are THE games... Its like if Blizzard decided that SC2 couldn't be used so the tournament tried to use some new Total Annihilation game or something ....
On December 06 2011 17:16 ThePlayer33 wrote: i think there should be at least 2month gaps between MLG. it really will help the excitement and importance of the tournament. this is from what i felt about orlando and providence
Orlando was the best out of all of the regular season ones ^^
didn't Anaheim have the biggest and craziest crowd
On December 07 2011 14:43 carloselcoco wrote: So, from what I am hearing in that interview: Halo is dead next year CoD, and Gears are on. SSF is coming? LoL coming StarCraftII main one and even better.
SSF is on hold, because some ppl in FGC are stopping it, From what I can recall.
Ohh, kk. Not like I like that game anyways xD (sorry :/ Takken forever )
If Capcom doesn't work, Sundance said He'll focus money into Tekken and other fighters.
This makes me so skeptical... I mean Capcom fighting games are THE games... Its like if Blizzard decided that SC2 couldn't be used so the tournament tried to use some new Total Annihilation game or something ....
Even if "they are the games". They can't host them, because of certain people. The developers from Mortal Kombat and Tekken want to work with Sundance/MLG.
Does this mean that MLG won't be taking place in the USA, period? :< Cus that's not cool... Or (although I know it isn't likely..) are these events independent from ones that'll take place in the US?
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Anyone excited or just me? :|
If true that is amazing! Off course, as long as the price does not go up. BTW, can you give us a source? (like a link to where he says it)
Prepare for a processing fee, ticketing fee, breathing fee, entrance fee, security fee, delivery fee, keyboard/mouse fee...
But if this helps them get better venues and such I'll be for it. I just hope they don't lose their uniqueness or have other restrictions placed on them because of Ticketmaster.
Could we possibly make a poll with about 15 - 20 major cities. Then people vote? Maybe if mlg saw some raw numbers of votes they would perhaps bring it back to say an mlg dc =s
On December 09 2011 06:29 mordk wrote: Damnit MLG, DONT ADD LOL. Just wait a while and add Dota 2 for christ's sake.
Riot is willing to handle the prize money, Valve isn't. Plus LoL also has a large following.
Not even that. Dota 2 is in beta, with no release date yet. MLG has been pretty vocal about not having any beta games, not even thinking about them. So people screaming at MLG to add dota is just stupid...
The market for those games is big though and in the LoL vs HoN fight, i think it's pretty clear who is the winner right now, and it just helps that Riot will pay everything...
On December 09 2011 06:29 mordk wrote: Damnit MLG, DONT ADD LOL. Just wait a while and add Dota 2 for christ's sake.
Riot is willing to handle the prize money, Valve isn't. Plus LoL also has a large following.
Not even that. Dota 2 is in beta, with no release date yet. MLG has been pretty vocal about not having any beta games, not even thinking about them. So people screaming at MLG to add dota is just stupid...
The market for those games is big though and in the LoL vs HoN fight, i think it's pretty clear who is the winner right now, and it just helps that Riot will pay everything...
Also on the vVv interview, Valve doesn't seem to be pushing CS:GO/Dota 2 to be added onto the season. Hell, Dice is pushing BF3, Namco Tekken, Warner Brothers MK9, and EPIC Games Gears of war 3 to be in the 2012 season of MLG. it's actually pretty amazing that all those developers want their games in MLG.
On December 09 2011 06:29 mordk wrote: Damnit MLG, DONT ADD LOL. Just wait a while and add Dota 2 for christ's sake.
Riot is willing to handle the prize money, Valve isn't. Plus LoL also has a large following.
Not even that. Dota 2 is in beta, with no release date yet. MLG has been pretty vocal about not having any beta games, not even thinking about them. So people screaming at MLG to add dota is just stupid...
The market for those games is big though and in the LoL vs HoN fight, i think it's pretty clear who is the winner right now, and it just helps that Riot will pay everything...
Also on the vVv interview, Valve doesn't seem to be pushing CS:GO/Dota 2 to be added onto the season. Hell Dice is pushing BF3, Namco Tekken, Warner Brothers MK9, and EPIC games Gears of war 3 to be in the 2012 season of MLG. it's actually pretty amazing that all those developers want their games in MLG.
Valve already said that they wont put money into CS:GO. They think there is a community that have compititions in CS now and that they will shift. So they wont put money. They also said that they didn't think the same thing were true for Dota2, hence they made The International. But it's pretty apparent that Valve doesn't think that it makes sane to buy space for a league to use their games. They will properly continue with The International to get people into Dota2 but wont put money anything else esports wise.
But I don't really see MLG taking dota2 over LoL as long as Riot is doing what they are doing, also because the US market is pretty much LoL. There is one dota team, EG in the top, not even 2nd tier or 3rd tier has american teams. They all play LoL. So unless dota2 gets the LoL community and teams, MLG will keep LoL because it gives good numbers.
On December 09 2011 09:00 carloselcoco wrote: Just to give a heads up! Sundance is about to talk in Slasher's show! :D
Julies show
On December 09 2011 09:00 windzor wrote:
On December 09 2011 06:58 zaii wrote:
On December 09 2011 06:29 mordk wrote: Damnit MLG, DONT ADD LOL. Just wait a while and add Dota 2 for christ's sake.
Riot is willing to handle the prize money, Valve isn't. Plus LoL also has a large following.
Not even that. Dota 2 is in beta, with no release date yet. MLG has been pretty vocal about not having any beta games, not even thinking about them. So people screaming at MLG to add dota is just stupid...
The market for those games is big though and in the LoL vs HoN fight, i think it's pretty clear who is the winner right now, and it just helps that Riot will pay everything...
Also on the vVv interview, Valve doesn't seem to be pushing CS:GO/Dota 2 to be added onto the season. Hell Dice is pushing BF3, Namco Tekken, Warner Brothers MK9, and EPIC games Gears of war 3 to be in the 2012 season of MLG. it's actually pretty amazing that all those developers want their games in MLG.
Valve already said that they wont put money into CS:GO. They think there is a community that have compititions in CS now and that they will shift. So they wont put money. They also said that they didn't think the same thing were true for Dota2, hence they made The International. But it's pretty apparent that Valve doesn't think that it makes sane to buy space for a league to use their games. They will properly continue with The International to get people into Dota2 but wont put money anything else esports wise.
But I don't really see MLG taking dota2 over LoL as long as Riot is doing what they are doing, also because the US market is pretty much LoL. There is one dota team, EG in the top, not even 2nd tier or 3rd tier has american teams. They all play LoL. So unless dota2 gets the LoL community and teams, MLG will keep LoL because it gives good numbers.
Agreed, also if MLG picks up LoL There will be little reason for the current LoL Teams/players to switch to Dota 2.
A source within Major League Gaming has disclosed to ESFI World that the company will be canceling many of their online shows. The affected shows include Rod Breslau's "!@#$ Slasher", "StarCraft Report" hosted by Patrick O'Neill and JP McDaniel, Weekly Warfare, Julie's Show and the MLG F.A.Q. It is unknown as to what the future of "State of the Game" is as the source did not disclose if the show's syndication as part of MLG's programming will continue.
Even though MLG cancels this shows, Sundance still says not to worry about the move and hints to an even better 2012. (Could the shows just be cancelled for the reminder of this year only to be back much better in 2012? )
Sundance said:
More of what we do best in 2012 - lots more of it.
So just recently MLG published the Ultimate Gaming House Gift Guide in their website. There, you can find the list of the top prizes that picked out for UGH winners this year. No big deal so far, right?
Well, what is curious about this list, is that the majority of the hyperlinks provided to find the product lead directly to Best Buy's online store. Even the StarCraft II hyperlink leads to Best Buy as the place to buy the game instead of directly from Blizzard.
Could this be a sign of Best Buy sponsoring MLG in 2012?
So I just received this email from MLG promoting their new SC2 tournament website, so there's plans for that, in some form or fashion, this year. Apparently, by 8min ago from MLG twitter they were fixing problems with people logging into the website (and it's limited signups for those that have accounts that got the email), but there's plans.
On January 12 2012 05:19 Phenrei wrote: So I just received this email from MLG promoting their new SC2 tournament website, so there's plans for that, in some form or fashion, this year. Apparently, by 8min ago from MLG twitter they were fixing problems with people logging into the website (and it's limited signups for those that have accounts that got the email), but there's plans.
On January 12 2012 05:19 Phenrei wrote: So I just received this email from MLG promoting their new SC2 tournament website, so there's plans for that, in some form or fashion, this year. Apparently, by 8min ago from MLG twitter they were fixing problems with people logging into the website (and it's limited signups for those that have accounts that got the email), but there's plans.
I got that mail as well. But since the links in the mail don't lead to the address mentioned, I got a bit suspicious of a fishing attempt. I manually browsed to the relevant MLG page and it seems to be legit. Further investigation yields that the links lead to the advertised webpage, but routed through a website from a mailing service that tracks who clicks the links in the mail (called MailChimp). Mostly harmless :-)
On January 12 2012 05:19 Phenrei wrote: So I just received this email from MLG promoting their new SC2 tournament website, so there's plans for that, in some form or fashion, this year. Apparently, by 8min ago from MLG twitter they were fixing problems with people logging into the website (and it's limited signups for those that have accounts that got the email), but there's plans.
I got that mail as well. But since the links in the mail don't lead to the address mentioned, I got a bit suspicious of a fishing attempt. I manually browsed to the relevant MLG page and it seems to be legit. Further investigation yields that the links lead to the advertised webpage, but routed through a website from a mailing service that tracks who clicks the links in the mail (called MailChimp). Mostly harmless :-)
Ugh. Its sad that MLG's emails are as polluted with bloatware as their main website.
On January 12 2012 05:19 Phenrei wrote: So I just received this email from MLG promoting their new SC2 tournament website, so there's plans for that, in some form or fashion, this year. Apparently, by 8min ago from MLG twitter they were fixing problems with people logging into the website (and it's limited signups for those that have accounts that got the email), but there's plans.
Looks like it's working now.
is there any prize for playing in these tournaments?
Ok maybe this won't be the most accurate analogy. But I'm starting to think with this level of growth, MLG is slowly becoming the UFC of esports (don't take it as a bad thing). It's centralized in the US, but looks like it's slowly growing outward, and if it keeps going it may try to go Global in a couple of years. With their partnership and cooperation with the GSL, maybe we'll actually see a MLG Korea event one day just for lulz.
The only thing I hope is that it doesn't pull a UFC and eat up and kill "smaller" but established fledgling promotions like when UFC swallowed up PRIDE then promptly murdered it. UFC ate up WEC and eventually shut it down but moved practically almost all it's fighters into it's roster to expand the UFC. As of late UFC ate Strikeforce, and if anyone saw last weekend's Strikeforce card, it was a shadow of what the org was capable of putting out before the Zuffa acquisition.
I hope MLG doesn't try to gobble up IEM, Dreamhack, IPL, NASL, etc if it gets too big and powerful.
On January 13 2012 01:59 Traven wrote: I am actually hoping for a tournament in the deep south next year. Possibly New Orleans. It would be awesome if they could make that happen.
We're hard at work finalizing details about 2012–get ready, because you'll be seeing some very major Pro Circuit announcements next week. While setting up the new Season, we've been taking a very close look at our broadcast schedule, and we've decided to shift our focus entirely towards competition coverage. We've also come to believe–and we hope you'll agree–that the greater world of eSports is best served by community-driven journalism, independent of a connection to any particular League. With that in mind, MLG and State of The Game (SotG) have mutually and amicably decided to part ways. JP was first to raise the issue with us, and we agree and back his choice fully. In order for the show to best serve the community, SotG will return to its roots, becoming fully independent once more, and will no longer be broadcast on MLG.tv. Going forward, the live show will air on twitch.tv, and VOD will be posted on JP's YouTube channel. JP will be posting more details on his personal blog soon.
The show will begin airing at its new home on January 19th, at 7pm EST.
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On January 13 2012 02:10 ronpaul012 wrote: please not Columbus again. Chicago is way better for the majority of Midwestern fans due to the different transportation that could be taken there.
Are you kidding me? MLG Columbus was the highlight of the year. It game MLG the turn-around it needed after the miserable failure in Dallas. Columbus set the tone for the rest of they year-- it set a multitude of precedents, and it was the reason StarCraft II was on the main stage in Anaheim.
Chicago would be a silly decision. Parking would be a nightmare, and the cost of the venue alone would drive up ticket prices twofold. It's a great city, but it wouldn't be a good decision this season.
On January 13 2012 01:59 Traven wrote: I am actually hoping for a tournament in the deep south next year. Possibly New Orleans. It would be awesome if they could make that happen.
wherever they do it, i'll be there for at least one of the events! canada would be cool, so i can have an execuse to go up there and to watch sc2 at the same time!
On January 13 2012 01:59 Traven wrote: I am actually hoping for a tournament in the deep south next year. Possibly New Orleans. It would be awesome if they could make that happen.
I don't care where they do it. Just get a venue with fast food options! MLG Orlando last October at Gaylord Palms Resort was horrible! Oh my goodness, I don't know where to start. How about the overpriced sushi that wasn't even half the quality I could get here on a daily basis in iced-out Minnesota! No McDonald's, no nothing within walking distance. Seriously, I don't even know what the players ate to sustain a high energy level.
On January 13 2012 02:59 ImGonnaRideYou wrote: I don't care where they do it. Just get a venue with fast food options! MLG Orlando last October at Gaylord Palms Resort was horrible! Oh my goodness, I don't know where to start. How about the overpriced sushi that wasn't even half the quality I could get here on a daily basis in iced-out Minnesota! No McDonald's, no nothing within walking distance. Seriously, I don't even know what the players ate to sustain a high energy level.
I loved MLG Orlando. There seemed to be a way of ordering food that people discovered on the second day. Either way, the Gaylord Palms was a beautiful venue.
I really hope there's an MLG dallas like there has always been, but I wouldn't be surprised if they moved it due to the massive failure it was last year.
On January 13 2012 02:10 ronpaul012 wrote: please not Columbus again. Chicago is way better for the majority of Midwestern fans due to the different transportation that could be taken there.
Are you kidding me? MLG Columbus was the highlight of the year. It game MLG the turn-around it needed after the miserable failure in Dallas. Columbus set the tone for the rest of they year-- it set a multitude of precedents, and it was the reason StarCraft II was on the main stage in Anaheim.
Chicago would be a silly decision. Parking would be a nightmare, and the cost of the venue alone would drive up ticket prices twofold. It's a great city, but it wouldn't be a good decision this season.
I completely disagree. First of all your point about being a turn-around spot really didnt have anything to do with what I'm talking about. That was all production and play, nothing to do with location. And most chicago venues it would be held at have plenty of parking.
Maybe its cheaper for MLG to host in Columbus, but I think it would be much more intersting to have it in a bigger city like chicago. Just my personal opinion.
MLG Toronto, I pray for thee. Christmas(2012) and my birthday present will come early if that is the case. I will definitely buy a competitor pass and play full-time SC2 to prepare!
On January 13 2012 04:30 AeroEffect wrote: If there is an MLG Raleigh this year, expect to see my name in the top 32
That's crazy bold. You have my support. GL :D
thanks. im trying to make my way up. im not an amazing player right now but I have been working hard and plan to continue to work hard so I will be able to post some results.
On January 13 2012 04:37 Slardar wrote: MLG Toronto, I pray for thee. Christmas(2012) and my birthday present will come early if that is the case. I will definitely buy a competitor pass and play full-time SC2 to prepare!
India? rly? How many Mlgs is the US gonna have 1 now cuz of the 6 countries listed? Would really hate to see the US's only major tournament basically leave or be in one spot 90% of the country can't get to.
On January 13 2012 04:30 AeroEffect wrote: If there is an MLG Raleigh this year, expect to see my name in the top 32
There is. Auguest 24-26th. It was leaked by the convention center by accident, and was quickly taken back down, but here is a screen shot: http://i.imgur.com/a5stw.png
And Decapitation, get ready.
On January 13 2012 13:28 Decapitation wrote: Cbus would mean the world to me i just cant express enough how awesome that would be
Anyway, AeroEffect, you're going to have to battle it out against me to make it into the top 32, so practice up man, and I look forward to seeing you at the venue ;D c: c: c:
Anyway, AeroEffect, you're going to have to battle it out against me to make it into the top 32, so practice up man, and I look forward to seeing you at the venue ;D c: c: c:
Anyway, AeroEffect, you're going to have to battle it out against me to make it into the top 32, so practice up man, and I look forward to seeing you at the venue ;D c: c: c:
JP said he was starting a show where people from the FGC community teach him to play diffrent fighting games. He was asking which system would be the best to use for SF4AE. It has NOTHING to do with MLG.
Whatever the news will be I am looking forward to it and hope it will be big and good news.
JP said he was starting a show where people from the FGC community teach him to play diffrent fighting games. He was asking which system would be the best to use for SF4AE. It has NOTHING to do with MLG.
Whatever the news will be I am looking forward to it and hope it will be big and good news.
Hopefully they announce the SSFIV is going to be included though. That game is awesome too (SCII is better though)
On January 19 2012 16:08 Rubber wrote: I would get on my knees and beg for an MLG Chicago this year, but it seems like they've already settled on Columbus as the token midwest event.
Remember that this year MLG is going to be even more active according to Sundance. In all honesty it would not surprise me at all if they were to hold their first event within a month, even some weeks!
EVERYONE PLEASE NOTE THIS IS KIND OF A PRE-SEASON ANNOUNCEMENT ONLY! MLG HAS NOT REVEALED ANYTHING ABOUT THE REAL SEASON YET. COMPARE THIS TO A GSL ANNOUNCEMENT OF AoL
First Details about the MLG 2012 Pro Circuit!
It’s time! 2012 is here! It seems like just yesterday that Leenock was hoisting the trophy and big check at the 2011 MLG National Championships in Providence. We hope the off-season has been a time of productivity for you, but unfortunately – that’s all about to change. The first details on the 2012 MLG Pro Circuit are below. It’s not everything (we’ve gotta save some juicy details for Sundance to spill on Twitter) but it’s the first reveal of the new 2012 Pro Circuit.
StarCraft 2: Wings of Liberty Returns to the Pro Circuit
Blizzard’s hit RTS StarCraft 2 is back for the 2012 Pro Circuit. Shocking, we know. Additional games and details will be announced as soon as possible.
A Well-Seasoned Experience
MLG fans of old will notice things in 2012 are going to be a little… different. The 2012 MLG Pro Circuit will be made up of four distinct Seasons, each with their own Live Championship Event. We wanted to move to a season-based Pro Circuit for a couple of reasons. First, it allows us to make changes to our format and game lineup easily throughout the year. Second, it enables us to maintain a steady stream of competition throughout the year for our players and fans to enjoy. Finally, it helps to ensure that the best of the best are winning prizes on the Pro Circuit, and that every player has a chance to make it big. While we’re not ready to reveal everything about our season structure for the entire year, here’s what we can tell you (WARNING: information overload ahead).
Winter 2012 Season
138 of the best SC2 players in the world (based on the results of all notable 2011 SC2 competitions) will be invited to compete in their choice of three regional double-elimination online tournaments (North America, Europe, and Korea/Taiwan). Competition dates are as follows:
January 31-February 2 (Europe) February 3-5 (Korea/Taiwan) February 6-8 (North America) Details on MLG’s video coverage of the regional online tournaments will be announced in the coming weeks.
The Top 8 finishers from MLG’s 2011 National Championship in Providence will be invited to join the Top 8 finishers from each regional online tournament (24 total players) for the MLG Winter Arena in New York City on February 24-26.
All 32 players will receive all-expenses-paid trips to the MLG Winter Arena, where a $26,000 prize pool will be up for grabs. The full prize breakdown is as follows:
1st – $10,000 2nd – $6,000 3rd – $3,600 4th- $2,200 5th/6th – $1,400 (no consolation matches will be played) 7th/8th – $900 (no consolation matches will be played) While players can choose which of the three regions they wish to compete in, there are a couple of things to keep in mind:
All matches in a specific regional online bracket must be played on that Battle.net region’s server. Players will only be eligible to receive MLG-paid travel if they request a flight from an airport located in the region they competed in. If a player is not eligible to receive MLG-paid travel, they will instead receive a $400 stipend. All players, regardless of eligibility for paid travel, will receive MLG-paid hotel accommodations. In addition to the lovely prizes that will be awarded at the Winter Arena, the Top 16 will also receive spots in Pool Play at the Winter Championship. The bottom 16 finishers in the Arena will receive byes into Open Winners Bracket Round 5 at the Winter Championship. Furthermore, the Top 16 finishers at the Winter Arena will also receive an all-expenses paid trip to the Winter Championship. That’s two all-expenses paid trips for 16 of the world’s best players!
The Winter Arena will be live streamed for your viewing pleasure, but there will not be a live spectator component.
The Winter Championship will be a massive, open, live competition in Columbus, Ohio at the Columbus Convention Center on March 23-25. Spectator passes will be available and the Championship will be streamed live. Further details will be released in the coming weeks, including the full tournament format and prizes.
The Top 8 players from the Winter Championship in Columbus will qualify for the MLG Spring Arena.
A Quick Recap
That’s all we can talk about for now, but there are still a lot of details to be released for both the Winter Season and the remainder of the 2012 MLG Pro Circuit. It’s hard not to get excited about 48 all-expenses paid trips for the world’s best StarCraft 2 players, a $26,000 prize pool for a pre-Championship Event, and the return of MLG to the site of one of our most successful events in 2011, Columbus, Ohio. More details in the coming weeks; stay tuned!
On January 19 2012 23:47 Greentellon wrote: Just remember this ~26k dollar event is a pre-championship event.
That is why I was forced to put the warning at the end of the announcement xD I saw the one at Reddit and people were bashing MLG because they think that this is how the rest of the year is going to be when it comes to pool prize, which is just like last year.
OMG starcraft II comes back in 2012? I did not expect that :p. More seriously this mlg arena looks good, I like the fact that they base it on a regional qualifier instead of an invite only tournament. They also found a way to prevent Koreans from taking all the spots with the way they pay travel stipends ^^. Prizepool is good for a 3 day 32 man tournament, and they also offer spots and travel expense for the championship. I really like the fact that all of this is merit based: if you're the best in your region you get your plane ticket payed, hopefully it will give opportunities to lesser known players. I hope that the prizepool will be bigger for the winter championship, I'm hoping for something around 100 000$.
So we'll have season arenas and season championships, where the top half of the arena bracket are the pools for the next championship, and the top 8 of the championship are automatically invited to the next arena? I assume the championship contains standard open bracket play?
Definitely approve.
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On January 19 2012 23:53 MrCon wrote: So now the PP is 26k but with only 4 events per year + a championship. Basically it's even less prizepool/year than last year or I calc it wrong ?
4 arenas and 4 championships, note that colombus is labelled as a winter championship The arena (NY) has a prize pool of 26k. The championship (Colombus) prizepool has not been announced yet.
On January 19 2012 23:47 Greentellon wrote: Just remember this ~26k dollar event is a pre-championship event.
That is why I was forced to put the warning at the end of the announcement xD I saw the one at Reddit and people were bashing MLG because they think that this is how the rest of the year is going to be when it comes to pool prize, which is just like last year.
You should probably stick that warning at the top, I think people will immediately jump to conclusions as soon as they hit the paragraph on the prize pool.
I don't know if MLG has done their research but putting MLG Winter Arena on the same date with ASSEMBLY Winter (ASUS ROG tournament) is not good for anyone...
On January 19 2012 23:54 Azhrak wrote: I don't know if MLG has done their research but putting MLG Winter Arena on the same date with ASSEMBLY Winter (ASUS ROG tournament) is not good for anyone...
I think last year there was an IPL and IEM in NY that happened on the same days too :/
On January 19 2012 23:47 Greentellon wrote: Just remember this ~26k dollar event is a pre-championship event.
That is why I was forced to put the warning at the end of the announcement xD I saw the one at Reddit and people were bashing MLG because they think that this is how the rest of the year is going to be when it comes to pool prize, which is just like last year.
You should probably stick that warning at the top, I think people will immediately jump to conclusions as soon as they hit the paragraph on the prize pool.
On January 19 2012 23:53 Liquid`Ret wrote: great job lining up qualifiers with an IEM event, and lining up your pre championship event with another big event (assembly winter)
yep, seems their Pre-Season is off to a terrible planning start :/
On January 19 2012 23:53 MrCon wrote: So now the PP is 26k but with only 4 events per year + a championship. Basically it's even less prizepool/year than last year or I calc it wrong ?
hmm well considering that the qualifers prize money is now more than the actual tournament last year I think it will easily be more than last year. For some reason they didn't release each season championship prize money.
On January 19 2012 23:58 Louis8k8 wrote: So 26k is arena? Because 26k champion pool would make me sad. We're going downhill if that's the case =(
Please read the big blue thing at the top. This is a Pre-Season tournament. In other words, you can consider this as a side project from MLG just like AoL and GSL
On January 19 2012 23:57 MrCon wrote: I don't understand. They pay the travel of 32 players to a live event where no spectator is allowed ? I think I just don't get it, or this is dumb.
On January 19 2012 23:53 Liquid`Ret wrote: great job lining up qualifiers with an IEM event, and lining up your pre championship event with another big event (assembly winter)
that ist just really sad. everyone will suffer iem/assembly/mlg. T_T
On January 19 2012 23:58 Louis8k8 wrote: So 26k is arena? Because 26k champion pool would make me sad. We're going downhill if that's the case =(
Please read the big blue thing at the top. This is a Pre-Season tournament. In other words, you can consider this as a side project from MLG just like AoL and GSL
On January 19 2012 23:57 MrCon wrote: I don't understand. They pay the travel of 32 players to a live event where no spectator is allowed ? I think I just don't get it, or this is dumb.
That is only for the live event in NY.
Yeah ok but it's dumb or I don't get something ? Why make a lan without any spectator ?
On January 19 2012 23:58 Louis8k8 wrote: So 26k is arena? Because 26k champion pool would make me sad. We're going downhill if that's the case =(
Please read the big blue thing at the top. This is a Pre-Season tournament. In other words, you can consider this as a side project from MLG just like AoL and GSL
On January 19 2012 23:57 MrCon wrote: I don't understand. They pay the travel of 32 players to a live event where no spectator is allowed ? I think I just don't get it, or this is dumb.
That is only for the live event in NY.
Yeah ok but it's dumb or I don't get something ? Why make a lan without any spectator ?
There is no LAN w/o any spectators. This will be an offline regional qualifier for each region (Kind of like what NASL does I guess), followed by an all expenses paid trip to a Live event with an audience in NY
On January 19 2012 23:58 Louis8k8 wrote: So 26k is arena? Because 26k champion pool would make me sad. We're going downhill if that's the case =(
Please read the big blue thing at the top. This is a Pre-Season tournament. In other words, you can consider this as a side project from MLG just like AoL and GSL
On January 19 2012 23:57 MrCon wrote: I don't understand. They pay the travel of 32 players to a live event where no spectator is allowed ? I think I just don't get it, or this is dumb.
That is only for the live event in NY.
Yeah ok but it's dumb or I don't get something ? Why make a lan without any spectator ?
There trying to have a live studio in the U.S. maybe somewhat similar to GSL. If they have any amount of seats I'm almost sure they'll get filled being in NYC.
On January 19 2012 23:58 Louis8k8 wrote: So 26k is arena? Because 26k champion pool would make me sad. We're going downhill if that's the case =(
Please read the big blue thing at the top. This is a Pre-Season tournament. In other words, you can consider this as a side project from MLG just like AoL and GSL
On January 19 2012 23:57 MrCon wrote: I don't understand. They pay the travel of 32 players to a live event where no spectator is allowed ? I think I just don't get it, or this is dumb.
That is only for the live event in NY.
Yeah ok but it's dumb or I don't get something ? Why make a lan without any spectator ?
There is no LAN w/o any spectators. This will be an offline regional qualifier for each region (Kind of like what NASL does I guess), followed by an all expenses paid trip to a Live event with an audience in NY
Read a bit more carefully, it clearly says "The Winter Arena will be live streamed for your viewing pleasure, but there will not be a live spectator component." Winter Arena is the actual event in NY, not the online qualifiers. This event also acts as a qualifier/seeder-tournament for the real event which is called "Winter Championship" which will be in Columbus, Ohio a month later.
MLG claims to have a lot of big news in store for next year, and I wouldn’t be surprised if one of them was getting Starcraft 2 on TV in one form or another.
On January 19 2012 23:58 Louis8k8 wrote: So 26k is arena? Because 26k champion pool would make me sad. We're going downhill if that's the case =(
Please read the big blue thing at the top. This is a Pre-Season tournament. In other words, you can consider this as a side project from MLG just like AoL and GSL
On January 19 2012 23:57 MrCon wrote: I don't understand. They pay the travel of 32 players to a live event where no spectator is allowed ? I think I just don't get it, or this is dumb.
That is only for the live event in NY.
Yeah ok but it's dumb or I don't get something ? Why make a lan without any spectator ?
There is no LAN w/o any spectators. This will be an offline regional qualifier for each region (Kind of like what NASL does I guess), followed by an all expenses paid trip to a Live event with an audience in NY
Read a bit more carefully, it clearly says "The Winter Arena will be live streamed for your viewing pleasure, but there will not be a live spectator component." Winter Arena is the actual event in NY, not the online qualifiers. This event also acts as a qualifier/seeder-tournament for the real event which is called "Winter Championship" which will be in Columbus, Ohio a month later.
On January 20 2012 00:12 VirgilSC2 wrote: Very poor choice by Sundance I feel, hosting the Winter Championship at the same exact time as Assembly Winter
Actually its the "Winter Arena" that is conflicting with Assembly. Just trying to keep confusion to a minimum
What a shocking little price pool wtf. Everythign els is awesome but really 28k? Didnt Sundance wanted us all to buy a ticket so he could do some huge price giveout and then its 28k lol wtf is this shit?
Winter Season to feature Blizzard Entertainment’s StarCraft® II: Wings of Liberty™
Includes MLG Winter Regional Online Qualifiers, January 31-February 8; MLG Winter Arena in New York City, February 24-26; MLG Winter Championship in Columbus, Ohio, March 23-25
NEW YORK – January 19, 2012 – After closing out the most successful Pro Circuit season in its history, Major League Gaming (MLG), the world’s largest competitive video game league, today unveiled a new Pro Circuit structure for 2012 providing even more competition online and in person with the best players from around the globe. The ninth annual 2012 Pro Circuit will be divided into four seasons – Winter, Spring, Summer and Fall. Each season will feature online regional qualifiersand a LIVE-streamed Arena eventthat will impact seeding and culminate with a final LIVE in-person Championship competition. The first title to be confirmed for 2012 is Blizzard Entertainment’s blockbuster real-time strategy game StarCraft® II: Wings of Liberty™. Additional details regarding the Winter season, qualifiers,and Pro Circuit console titles will be released in the coming weeks.
Winter Season Details – StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty
The seasonkicks off January 31-February 8with three invitation-only, MLG Winter Regional Online Qualifiers featuring top StarCraft II players from around the globe. Regions and online competition dates are as follows: January 31-February 2 (Europe); February 3-5 (Korea/Taiwan) and February 6-8 (North America).
The top eight finishers from the MLG Pro Circuit 2011 National Championships held in Providence last Novemberwill be invited to join the top eight finishers from each of the MLG Winter Regional Online Qualifiersfor the first ever MLG Winter Arena in New York City,February 24-26. The 32 players will receive an all-expenses paid trip to New York City where they will compete for more than $26,000 in prizes and Pool Play placement at the MLG Winter Championship. The MLG Winter Arena will be viewable via LIVE streaming.
The season will conclude with the MLG Winter Championship, a large-scale, spectator event in Columbus, Ohio, from March 23-25 at the SMG-managedGreater Columbus Convention Center. The top 16 players from the MLG Winter Arena will receive an all-expenses paid trip to Columbus for the Winter Championship. The MLG Winter Championship will be viewable in-person and via LIVE streaming.
“Our 2012 MLG Pro Circuit season is poised to be our most robust to date – with even more competition online and in person, more broadcasts and more of the world’s best players,” said Sundance DiGiovanni. “We listened to our community and players to update our Pro Circuit format and ensure that placement in tournaments was a direct result of player performance. Our new Pro Circuit structure is designed to further the world of e-sports and take competitive gaming to a new level.”
2011 Pro Circuit – The Largest Viewership to Date
The 2011 MLG Pro Circuit season was the 8th and most successful to datereaching more than 3.5 million unique stream viewers during combined Pro Circuit weekends. The 2011 Pro Circuit National Championships held in Providence, Rhode Island, November 18-20, drew an all-time high of 241,000 peak concurrent online viewers and more than 3.6 million hours of video were consumed over the weekend. Viewers from 175 countries tuned in to the final tournament, the highest number of countries to date. The top five countries watching included USA, Germany, Canada, Sweden and United Kingdom. Over the 2011 season, more than 15 million hours of video were consumed during Pro Circuit weekends.
On January 20 2012 00:20 HappyChris wrote: What a shocking little price pool wtf. Everythign els is awesome but really 28k? Didnt Sundance wanted us all to buy a ticket so he could do some huge price giveout and then its 28k lol wtf is this shit?
Dude, please read before posting. i am getting tired of people not reading the thread before posting...
On January 20 2012 00:20 HappyChris wrote: What a shocking little price pool wtf. Everythign els is awesome but really 28k? Didnt Sundance wanted us all to buy a ticket so he could do some huge price giveout and then its 28k lol wtf is this shit?
This is basically suppose to be the global invitational but fancier. If you read all of there schedule then you see it looks like they do a arena season with the best players with top8 getting prize money and a free trip to the championship event which will probably have the big bucks.
So essentially there are two live events for SC2 in the Winter Season... the Arena thing + the Championship (which is basically like a regular MLG with Top 16 Arena players being seeded into Pool Play) ?
What is the prize pool for the Championship? I'm hoping it'll be around the same as Providence if not more, or else it'll feel a little bit cheap.
EDIT: If it's like the diagram above, then I think it's a really good format.
On January 20 2012 00:20 HappyChris wrote: What a shocking little price pool wtf. Everythign els is awesome but really 28k? Didnt Sundance wanted us all to buy a ticket so he could do some huge price giveout and then its 28k lol wtf is this shit?
This is basically suppose to be the global invitational but fancier. If you read all of there schedule then you see it looks like they do a arena season with the best players with top8 getting prize money and a free trip to the championship event which will probably have the big bucks.
Seriously, come to Canada. Also not the West Coast. Or, go to the west coast, but make sure there's a Toronto/Ottawa/Montreal date in there somewhere too.
Conflicting dates is kind of lame but otherwise it's hard to find any fault. Definitely a better/fairer system than last seasons and they're shelling out a lot in Stipends.
I think large tournaments need to start talking to each other more often so that tournaments don't start to overlap (Especially in the coming summer) + Show Spoiler +
Or maybe a little bit of tournament rivalry will be a good thing as organisers try to 1-up the competition.
26K for a pre-tournament is quite a bit, also a really good distribution of the prize money.
Very nice and all, but with the scheduling MLG behaves like a bull in a china shop. Who cares whoever has some big events planned that time, players will come to us and people will watch us. I don't like the style of muscling the competition out of the way, this could've been easily avoided with sufficient communication between organizations but it seems like MLG is not really interested in that.
It really sucks that we'll have player pool and audience split once again among two big tournaments, I can't even stress that enough. People put a lot of effort in this, plan everything months before and then we as an audience don't get the complete/full experience because there's another event popping up that waves money around to attract players.
This season format seems like a good idea. For sure, with only 8 players guaranteeing invites to the next event we won't have the stagnant pool of top-point earners like last season. On the other hand, I'm sad the NYC Winter Arena doesn't have a live viewing component. MLG had better host a Championship tournament here this year at some point.
No audience at the Arena events I believe is a mistake. Even if you have 50 people in a small studio it would be better. The audience is what builds a lot of the hype for these events and what ultimately sets them apart. Hopefully they find a way to fit in spectators in the future for the Arena events.
On January 20 2012 00:46 Jaisse wrote: Nice how first gets $10,000 now.
I would assume the prize pool will be larger still for the Winter Championships but we'll see. It costs a lot to fly and accommodate 32 players.
I actually like the decision to pay for the players. Even it it comes at the price of a smaller prize pool. Spreads the esports dollars around a bit more fairly instead of completely crutching on a 3day ironman tournament.
On January 20 2012 00:46 Jaisse wrote: Nice how first gets $10,000 now.
I would assume the prize pool will be larger still for the Winter Championships but we'll see. It costs a lot to fly and accommodate 32 players.
I actually like the decision to pay for the players. Even it it comes at the price of a smaller prize pool. Spreads the esports dollars around a bit more fairly instead of completely crutching on a 3day ironman tournament.
On January 20 2012 00:51 pallad wrote: Eh still shame... only 10k first prize.. when MLG make milions of dollar's from events.. But.. still good for for e-sports..
I love the new format/idea ...i think it promotes quality over quantity 10 times better..and the matches/live events themselfs with increase in quality alot
On January 20 2012 00:51 pallad wrote: Eh still shame... only 10k first prize.. when MLG make milions of dollar's from events.. But.. still good for for e-sports..
MLG isn't as rich as you think they are and there are far more other costs to putting on a tourney of this scale than just the prize money.
Excited to be able to talk about the start of the 2012 season FINALLY.
A quick comment on event conflicts. The MLG team has been planning the 2012 Pro Circuit season since the Fall of 2011. Unfortunately, our large scale events – such as the Winter Arena and Winter Championship in Columbus, have to be scheduled months and months in advance in order to secure large venues and execute a bracket that will provide a timely lead in to our championship events. We always do our best to avoid conflicts with other industry events, however, it simply wasn’t an option in this case.
This is the case with all event organizers, and unfortunately, by the time any of us (event organizers in general) find out where/when all the other events are, it's often too late to change gears.
[quotePrize pools are still disappointing me, compared to other tournies][/quote]
they've only released the prize pool for the Winter Arena tournament, not the Winter Championship. While i can't say the Championship will have a higher prize pool, one can speculate with confidence.
A quick comment on event conflicts. The MLG team has been planning the 2012 Pro Circuit season since the Fall of 2011. Unfortunately, our large scale events – such as the Winter Arena and Winter Championship in Columbus, have to be scheduled months and months in advance in order to secure large venues and execute a bracket that will provide a timely lead in to our championship events. We always do our best to avoid conflicts with other industry events, however, it simply wasn’t an option in this case.
That's a bit selfish, if you ask me. So you basically say that you knew the dates since Fall 2011 but you didn't want to release them just for Hyping reasons so you could have your Mega 2012 Announcement. That's just really disappointing...
On January 20 2012 01:03 FluXen wrote: Prize pools are still disappointing me, compared to other tournies
But they haven't released the info for the rest of the prize money?
The Prize pool for our Arena tournament is nearly double of our main pro-circuit competitions from last year. AND we're paying travel for all players TO the Arena and for the top 16 going to the pro-circuit.
We also as others have pointed out, have not yet announced the Pro-circuit prize money yet. Stay tuned!
A quick comment on event conflicts. The MLG team has been planning the 2012 Pro Circuit season since the Fall of 2011. Unfortunately, our large scale events – such as the Winter Arena and Winter Championship in Columbus, have to be scheduled months and months in advance in order to secure large venues and execute a bracket that will provide a timely lead in to our championship events. We always do our best to avoid conflicts with other industry events, however, it simply wasn’t an option in this case.
That's a bit selfish, if you ask me. So you basically say that you knew the dates since Fall 2011 but you didn't want to release them just for Hyping reasons so you could have your Mega 2012 Announcement. That's just really disappointing...
52 weeks in the year, you are going to have some scheduling conflicts. Stop overeacting and get over it.
The format is a lot better than the year before. But i hate the fact that its conflicting with Assembly Winter. 64 world class players are not able to travel during the same weekend, which means the other event will be lacking. Sadly my guess its going to be assembly =( Hope there arent too many cancellations though.
A quick comment on event conflicts. The MLG team has been planning the 2012 Pro Circuit season since the Fall of 2011. Unfortunately, our large scale events – such as the Winter Arena and Winter Championship in Columbus, have to be scheduled months and months in advance in order to secure large venues and execute a bracket that will provide a timely lead in to our championship events. We always do our best to avoid conflicts with other industry events, however, it simply wasn’t an option in this case.
That's a bit selfish, if you ask me. So you basically say that you knew the dates since Fall 2011 but you didn't want to release them just for Hyping reasons so you could have your Mega 2012 Announcement. That's just really disappointing...
52 weeks in the year, you are going to have some scheduling conflicts. Stop overeacting and get over it.
There is a difference between schedules conflicting due to ignorance and schedules conflicting because it couldn't be helped. Point is an effort wasn't even put forward to let others know in the initial planning stages. If MLG needs to book events months and months in advance then they should at the very least release the dates when they are booked. Keep locations secret since that has minimal impact, but the dates need to be out.
A quick comment on event conflicts. The MLG team has been planning the 2012 Pro Circuit season since the Fall of 2011. Unfortunately, our large scale events – such as the Winter Arena and Winter Championship in Columbus, have to be scheduled months and months in advance in order to secure large venues and execute a bracket that will provide a timely lead in to our championship events. We always do our best to avoid conflicts with other industry events, however, it simply wasn’t an option in this case.
That's a bit selfish, if you ask me. So you basically say that you knew the dates since Fall 2011 but you didn't want to release them just for Hyping reasons so you could have your Mega 2012 Announcement. That's just really disappointing...
52 weeks in the year, you are going to have some scheduling conflicts. Stop overeacting and get over it.
There is a difference between schedules conflicting due to ignorance and schedules conflicting because it couldn't be helped. Point is an effort wasn't even put forward to let others know in the initial planning stages. If MLG needs to book events months and months in advance then they should at the very least release the dates when they are booked. Keep locations secret since that has minimal impact, but the dates need to be out.
Fall of 2011 was a few months ago, I am sure Assembly had to book in advance like that as well. It is just funny how MLG gets all of the blame for this, it is both events fault in the end and both event's lose out on overall talent.
On January 20 2012 00:43 StarVe wrote: Very nice and all, but with the scheduling MLG behaves like a bull in a china shop. Who cares whoever has some big events planned that time, players will come to us and people will watch us. I don't like the style of muscling the competition out of the way, this could've been easily avoided with sufficient communication between organizations but it seems like MLG is not really interested in that.
It really sucks that we'll have player pool and audience split once again among two big tournaments, I can't even stress that enough. People put a lot of effort in this, plan everything months before and then we as an audience don't get the complete/full experience because there's another event popping up that waves money around to attract players.
Anyone that followed the Halo scene knows MLG is like this. Ideally they would want to monopolize SC2 in the west but it will be much more difficult since there are actually teams that sponsor and many more tournaments.
They signed the 3 best teams (and only teams really worth watching) to 250K contracts (per team member so 1 million) to exclusive contracts to compete only in MLG and basically all Halo tournaments outside of MLG ceased to exist since they couldnt get viewership.
This won't happen in Starcraft 2 because of the global scale and much more external sponsors to teams but shows that MLG wants to crush everybody eventually if they can. It's not the time yet since eSports growing as a whole is good for MLG but as saturation starts they will start to do more and more anti-competitive things when it comes time to monitize. I believe Sundance when he says nobody is making big money yet on this. With all these competitors it's very hard for these organizations to make much of a profit.
Why pay X to sponsor this event with 100K viewers when I can pay a lesser organization desperate for sponsors a quarter of that, that still gets 50K viewers of most of the same audience the next week. MLG and other top organizations are going to have to do anti-competitive things (schedule events at the same time) so those lesser events are getting like 10K viewers and make it so it's uneconomical to sponsor those events.
Consolidation will happen eventually whether you like it or not. Just not yet so enjoy the ride of great tournaments run by a variety of organizations almost every single week.
On January 20 2012 01:03 MLG_Lee wrote: Hey everyone,
Excited to be able to talk about the start of the 2012 season FINALLY.
A quick comment on event conflicts. The MLG team has been planning the 2012 Pro Circuit season since the Fall of 2011. Unfortunately, our large scale events – such as the Winter Arena and Winter Championship in Columbus, have to be scheduled months and months in advance in order to secure large venues and execute a bracket that will provide a timely lead in to our championship events. We always do our best to avoid conflicts with other industry events, however, it simply wasn’t an option in this case.
This is the case with all event organizers, and unfortunately, by the time any of us (event organizers in general) find out where/when all the other events are, it's often too late to change gears.
Stay tuned for additional 2012 details.
Lee
Well, of course you can't change the fact that events have conflicting schedules if you find out when other events are a week before you announce yours. This only emphasizes the point that much more talking should be going on between the various event organizers in the planning stages of the events.
If all of the few big tournament guys would talk more openly, you could avoid much of these "errors". I mean, you're not supposed to share anything else about your plans than the potential event dates you are aiming for in the next few months, would that hurt the/your business so much?
Sure, sometimes there is simply no perfect solution, but this has happened to quite a lot now with various tournaments, I think "it simply wasn't an option in this case" is used far too often at the moment.
A quick comment on event conflicts. The MLG team has been planning the 2012 Pro Circuit season since the Fall of 2011. Unfortunately, our large scale events – such as the Winter Arena and Winter Championship in Columbus, have to be scheduled months and months in advance in order to secure large venues and execute a bracket that will provide a timely lead in to our championship events. We always do our best to avoid conflicts with other industry events, however, it simply wasn’t an option in this case.
That's a bit selfish, if you ask me. So you basically say that you knew the dates since Fall 2011 but you didn't want to release them just for Hyping reasons so you could have your Mega 2012 Announcement. That's just really disappointing...
It's not selfish, its marketing. What do you get out of knowing more other than the self satisfaction that you know more? You will know when they want to let everybody know.
That being said, SUPER pumped for MLG this year. Much love, good luck with great tournaments, I look forward to watching.
My immediate response to reading this was to request off of work for March 23-26th. Sooooo looking forward to MLG Columbus again. Thanks for having the Winter Championship there (though Chicago wouldn't be a bad location either )
France has ESWC, Germany has IEM WC and Sweden has DreamHack. Only remaining active market seems to be England, so I am really looking forward to MLG UK. =)
On January 20 2012 01:36 sunnata wrote: France has ESWC, Germany has IEM WC and Sweden has DreamHack. Only remaining active market seems to be England, so I am really looking forward to MLG UK. =)
On January 20 2012 01:36 sunnata wrote: France has ESWC, Germany has IEM WC and Sweden has DreamHack. Only remaining active market seems to be England, so I am really looking forward to MLG UK. =)
I suppose it's natural because assembly/iem announced their (assembly this week too?) dates first, but it's a bit silly to assign the blame on just MLG, especially knowing that all these organizations had to secure these venues well in advance
Just because MLG doesn't announce their dates publicly doesn't mean they aren't talking behind the scenes with other tournaments. Is there any evidence they didn't do that?
What do you guys think will be the dates for the spring arena / spring championship? We're planning a StarCraft 2 tournament on our University and have been waiting for MLG to announce their dates, so that we can prevent an overlap - but now we still don't know anything!
Do you think it might be end of May for Arena + end of June for the championship? That would allow for our tournament to take place in early June (before DreamHack Summer).
We have to know pretty soon if we're going to finalize our venue and casters... Otherwise we'll have to take a gamble.
On January 20 2012 00:47 Pokebunny wrote: Have invites gone out yet?
Waiting for yours? LOL
"By having more meaningful matches there is more of an opportunity to create content," said DiGiovanni. On top of that, MLG is also currently talking to team managers and players on a case by case basis to determine whether or not they'll be invited to the qualifier.
On January 20 2012 01:03 MLG_Lee wrote: Hey everyone,
Excited to be able to talk about the start of the 2012 season FINALLY.
A quick comment on event conflicts. The MLG team has been planning the 2012 Pro Circuit season since the Fall of 2011. Unfortunately, our large scale events – such as the Winter Arena and Winter Championship in Columbus, have to be scheduled months and months in advance in order to secure large venues and execute a bracket that will provide a timely lead in to our championship events. We always do our best to avoid conflicts with other industry events, however, it simply wasn’t an option in this case.
This is the case with all event organizers, and unfortunately, by the time any of us (event organizers in general) find out where/when all the other events are, it's often too late to change gears.
Stay tuned for additional 2012 details.
Lee
Added it to the OP!!!
On January 20 2012 01:41 crydee wrote: How will you handle Heart of the Swarm Release if it's in the middle of a online qualifier and then the event as we go down 2012?
I suppose they will just do the same they did with SC2 back in 2010. It was October I think when they first had SCII as a game in their circuit. It was also towards the end of their season.
On January 20 2012 01:20 Kralic wrote: Fall of 2011 was a few months ago, I am sure Assembly had to book in advance like that as well. It is just funny how MLG gets all of the blame for this, it is both events fault in the end and both event's lose out on overall talent.
On January 20 2012 01:20 Kralic wrote: Fall of 2011 was a few months ago, I am sure Assembly had to book in advance like that as well. It is just funny how MLG gets all of the blame for this, it is both events fault in the end and both event's lose out on overall talent.
My bet is either MLG didn't want to move, or couldn't because they couldn't get the gear/venue on other dates where it fitted the MLG schedule.
What could be cool, would be that MLG would come out and "sponsor" the conflicting events, where players attending them would get a oppotinity to play in the MLG qualifier, thereby "fixing" the schedule for them to play. IEM is over "many" days, so not many people will be having problems, and it will properly only be problems one day. Assembly is a bit harder, but should be possible with some cooperation.
On January 20 2012 01:20 Kralic wrote: Fall of 2011 was a few months ago, I am sure Assembly had to book in advance like that as well. It is just funny how MLG gets all of the blame for this, it is both events fault in the end and both event's lose out on overall talent.
Okay, a few months earlier, they didn't announce it until this week, is it MLG's job to go to every other tournaments website to make sure they aren't conflicting with them? August - fall of 2011 is a month or two. Columbus Convention Center says we only have ____ weekend open, they have to take it. Blaming MLG soley over this and then people over reacting how they are dissapointed and how MLG is selfish is pretty stupid, that is the only thing that bugs me.
Heart of the Swarm is being released by Blizzard right? The same company that is releasing Diablo 3? I think we don't have to worry about HotS this year
Also in the OP
We wanted to move to a season-based Pro Circuit for a couple of reasons. First, it allows us to make changes to our format and game lineup easily throughout the year.
So if HotS does come out they could add it to the next season.
On January 20 2012 02:13 Trevor.PGT wrote: Heart of the Swarm is being released by Blizzard right? The same company that is releasing Diablo 3? I think we don't have to worry about from HotS this year
We wanted to move to a season-based Pro Circuit for a couple of reasons. First, it allows us to make changes to our format and game lineup easily throughout the year.
So if HotS does come out they could add it to the next season.
Yeah, they can just add it as they go like when SCII came out in 2010. They ended up adding it towards the end of the MLG season of 2010
Honestly for people still complaining about prize money this is like the TSL, expect instead of flying the top 2 to NYC they are flying the top 32. It is a huge investment by having fully paid travel expenses for everyone who qualifies.
On January 20 2012 02:19 feanor1 wrote: Honestly for people still complaining about prize money this is like the TSL, expect instead of flying the top 2 to NYC they are flying the top 32. It is a huge investment by having fully paid travel expenses for everyone who qualifies.
Also factor in the huge publicity teams/players get for competiting in MLG. It's not on ESPN yet but it is popular enough that YouTube streamed MLG live in 2011.
On January 20 2012 02:19 feanor1 wrote: Honestly for people still complaining about prize money this is like the TSL, expect instead of flying the top 2 to NYC they are flying the top 32. It is a huge investment by having fully paid travel expenses for everyone who qualifies.
Also factor in the huge publicity teams/players get for competiting in MLG. It's not on ESPN yet but it is popular enough that YouTube streamed MLG live in 2011.
Agree completely with you mate. And getting streamed on YouTube is a really huge deal as YouTube was not meant to be for Live Streaming! :D
Interested in how the 138 players will be selected.
138 of the best SC2 players in the world (based on the results of all notable 2011 SC2 competitions) will be invited to compete in their choice of three regional double-elimination online tournaments (North America, Europe, and Korea/Taiwan). Competition dates are as follows:
Hoping its off mlg points, I'm 73rd :D, like top 20-25 of North American/Canadian players
really hope they reconsider the no audience in NYC.... makes absolutely no sense at all, doesn't have to be at Yankee Stadium or anything but I'm sure a small crowd is better than no crowd at all. Perhaps you can even make it something like the Homestory Cup; a much more informal event with more player-fan interactions.
On January 20 2012 02:39 amazingoopah wrote: really hope they reconsider the no audience in NYC.... makes absolutely no sense at all, doesn't have to be at Yankee Stadium or anything but I'm sure a small crowd is better than no crowd at all. Perhaps you can even make it something like the Homestory Cup; a much more informal event with more player-fan interactions.
The are going to be partnering up with a lot of BarCrafts to bring you the ultimate BarCraft experience.
The arena is $26k plus all travel expenses for all attending players. PRO Circuit Events have a stand alone prize pool and still have an open bracket. There will be multiple Arenas this year - as in a bunch as in lots.
On January 20 2012 02:47 LovE- wrote: You better come back to Anaheim!
And I'm 21 in 3 weeks so I'll be able to attend Barcrafts this year!
Anaheim was confirmed a really long time ago. In fact it was the first venue confirmed last year to return this year. So far they have confirmed Anaheim, Columbus and by accident (involuntary leak) Raleigh.
Wow sick prize money, LAN and paid travel for what is essentially MLG's equivalent to the AoL (except with more relevancy to the main event I suppose).
MLG must have some sick sponsors lined up to be able to lay all this out without even revealing their big guns.
On January 20 2012 01:20 Kralic wrote: Fall of 2011 was a few months ago, I am sure Assembly had to book in advance like that as well. It is just funny how MLG gets all of the blame for this, it is both events fault in the end and both event's lose out on overall talent.
Okay, a few months earlier, they didn't announce it until this week, is it MLG's job to go to every other tournaments website to make sure they aren't conflicting with them? August - fall of 2011 is a month or two. Columbus Convention Center says we only have ____ weekend open, they have to take it. Blaming MLG soley over this and then people over reacting how they are dissapointed and how MLG is selfish is pretty stupid, that is the only thing that bugs me.
I really think this is a good opportunity that NA sc2 scene can grow up. I am pretty sure there are more than enough pros to fill up both events. Viewership will be definetly splitted, but there are clear time differeances to watch both tourneys. I think this definitely good thing for us as viewers.
On January 20 2012 02:52 Klonere wrote: Wow sick prize money, LAN and paid travel for what is essentially MLG's equivalent to the AoL (except with more relevancy to the main event I suppose).
MLG must have some sick sponsors lined up to be able to lay all this out without even revealing their big guns.
To me it does seem i might have been right when i said that Best Buy will be sponsoring this season. Look at the spoilers in OP
138 of the best SC2 players in the world (based on the results of all notable 2011 SC2 competitions) will be invited to compete in their choice of three regional double-elimination online tournaments (North America, Europe, and Korea/Taiwan). Competition dates are as follows:
Hoping its off mlg points, I'm 73rd :D, like top 20-25 of North American/Canadian players
You're still such a hero dude. The victory against Polt was SOOOOO sick and set the tone for the whole event imo.
IEM announced their tournaments well beforehand in August and MLG couldn't reschedule an online qualifier? Lol.
Assembly and Winter Arena conflicting? Bullshit. Not gonna blame anyone since I don't know the details (except the fact that Assembly publicly announced their event almost 5 months ago) but yeah. Pretty lame if/when potential players won't come here in Helsinki. I hope organizers once again realize that this pisses off everyone and they need to co-operate more.
138 of the best SC2 players in the world (based on the results of all notable 2011 SC2 competitions) will be invited to compete in their choice of three regional double-elimination online tournaments (North America, Europe, and Korea/Taiwan). Competition dates are as follows:
Hoping its off mlg points, I'm 73rd :D, like top 20-25 of North American/Canadian players
"(based on the results of all notable 2011 SC2 competitions)" not only MLG :>
I wonder who the top 138 are. I'm a bit worried about the possibility of Koreans choosing to play on the easier na and eu servers though, so hopefully there is a geographic restriction. Otherwise this sounds great.
Have a feeling the Koreans are gonna decide to spread out in NA and KR, leaving no chance for any NA players to qualify. Some KR players might even attempt to tackle EU, making it even harder for the foreigners to win anything.
Well you only get 400 for travel if you fly from an area different from the region you competed in. So thats a pretty bug incentive to stay in the actual server that you live by
On January 20 2012 03:14 feanor1 wrote: Well you only get 400 for travel if you fly from an area different from the region you competed in. So thats a pretty bug incentive to stay in the actual server that you live by
It will be interesting see if any Koreans want to play in the NA qualifier, will be much easier no doubt ;].
Pretty baller for MLG to pay for all flights of players. However, don't understand the no live audience for the NY event as with no live audience, it would kind of feel like watching an online event.
Unless, the NY event is held at their offices and they deemed paying for 32 flights is cheaper than renting out a venue and having a live paid audience.
glad they obviously felt ashamed of their prizepool in 2011 compared to dreamhack and actually are also paying for flights etc. :> can't wait for another nice year of starcraft 2 tournament action!
How is this a preseason announcement unrelated to the actual season?
This is the announcement of the winter season schedule minus what the prize money will be for the championship in Columbus. There will be four seasons exactly like this one: obviously Winter, Spring, Summer and Fall.
Early season: Online tournament qualifier event for the Arena event in three regions. Top eight from each as well as eight seeds (possibly top eight from previous season) go to the arena event.
Mid season: Arena event with $10,000 for first place in New York. No live audience, but event is offline. Presumably similar to what the GSL does in their studio.
End of season: Championship with what we all assume is a larger prize pool in a convention center in the same fashion as previous MLG events.
On January 20 2012 03:14 feanor1 wrote: Well you only get 400 for travel if you fly from an area different from the region you competed in. So thats a pretty bug incentive to stay in the actual server that you live by
It will be interesting see if any Koreans want to play in the NA qualifier, will be much easier no doubt ;].
I can see SlayerS doing this. Play on the NA server then go to the EG house for a couple days so that theyre in the US.
On January 20 2012 03:14 feanor1 wrote: Well you only get 400 for travel if you fly from an area different from the region you competed in. So thats a pretty bug incentive to stay in the actual server that you live by
It will be interesting see if any Koreans want to play in the NA qualifier, will be much easier no doubt ;].
I can see SlayerS doing this. Play on the NA server then go to the EG house for a couple days so that theyre in the US.
They are all invitational tournaments, it's highly unlikely that MLG would be fooled by such tactics.
i would of preferred no travel cover and higher prizepool. altho its bump in prizepool it still seems pretty lackluster to me, also the scheduling is horrible with other tournaments; organizations should coordinate with eachother more. would be nice if caster payment info was released too
On January 20 2012 04:10 HuK wrote: i would of preferred no travel cover and higher prizepool. altho its bump in prizepool it still seems pretty lackluster to me, also the scheduling is horrible with other tournaments; organizations should coordinate with eachother more. would be nice if caster payment info was released too
On January 20 2012 04:10 HuK wrote: i would of preferred no travel cover and higher prizepool. altho its bump in prizepool it still seems pretty lackluster to me, also the scheduling is horrible with other tournaments; organizations should coordinate with eachother more. would be nice if caster payment info was released too
If I understand correctly the winter arena is a way smaller event than the winter championship so Huk you should expect a bigger prizepool for the bigger event o.o
On January 20 2012 04:10 HuK wrote: i would of preferred no travel cover and higher prizepool. altho its bump in prizepool it still seems pretty lackluster to me, also the scheduling is horrible with other tournaments; organizations should coordinate with eachother more. would be nice if caster payment info was released too
Coz EG pays your trip.....
yes
BEST RESPONSE EVER!!!! xD
HuK, don't worry, we know you would win it anyways
im a little worried that between online regional brackets, mlg season arena, and the the season final a player will have to commit there time to only MLG for a season. no GSL, no IEM no IPL no DreamHack because of overlap. and because of this MLG might not always get the best of the best players playing in their tournament
also flinging players back and forth to the season arena than back home, than back again for the season final is going to be a little much to the fatigue factor of players
On January 20 2012 04:10 HuK wrote: i would of preferred no travel cover and higher prizepool. altho its bump in prizepool it still seems pretty lackluster to me, also the scheduling is horrible with other tournaments; organizations should coordinate with eachother more. would be nice if caster payment info was released too
It isn't a main MLG event, why do you expect the prize pool to be that high? It's more like HSC.
I hope they make the regional online qualifiers for the Arena events a regular part of the system, I think this solves a major problem with marquis players who haven't been in MLG much before having to slog their way through open brackets at live events. I suspect this is part of what they had in mind.
On January 20 2012 04:06 careohx wrote: I cant really think of 30+ US players with noteable achievement LOL. Us qualif will be so bad compared to EU, KR.
I suspect a big starting point for them will be to just look at last year's MLGs and throw a bunch of people in who did reasonably well. Hopefully we'll see some of the players who fought through the open brackets and made it into the first couple rounds of the Championship brackets, but never made it much further. Would be cool to see how they compare without all the fatigue that comes with that.
On January 20 2012 04:10 HuK wrote: i would of preferred no travel cover and higher prizepool. altho its bump in prizepool it still seems pretty lackluster to me, also the scheduling is horrible with other tournaments; organizations should coordinate with eachother more. would be nice if caster payment info was released too
The Arena event is $10k first place. The championship events for each season will presumably be more.
On January 20 2012 04:10 HuK wrote: i would of preferred no travel cover and higher prizepool. altho its bump in prizepool it still seems pretty lackluster to me, also the scheduling is horrible with other tournaments; organizations should coordinate with eachother more. would be nice if caster payment info was released too
The Arena event is $10k first place. The championship events for each season will presumably be more.
I hope so, they 5k first place prize at all the MLG's last year was pathetic..... and 10k isn't much better.
I fear, with their recent cost cutting moves, that their talk about 1M+ in prize money for 2012 was just butkus.
I'm disappointed, SC2 need MLG to step up and make being their champion worth something monetarily.
10k, just doesn't cut it for an MLG level tourney.
On January 20 2012 04:10 HuK wrote: i would of preferred no travel cover and higher prizepool. altho its bump in prizepool it still seems pretty lackluster to me, also the scheduling is horrible with other tournaments; organizations should coordinate with eachother more. would be nice if caster payment info was released too
The Arena event is $10k first place. The championship events for each season will presumably be more.
I hope so, they 5k first place prize at all the MLG's last year was pathetic..... and 10k isn't much better.
I fear, with their recent cost cutting moves, that their talk about 1M+ in prize money for 2012 was just butkus.
I'm disappointed, SC2 need MLG to step up and make being their champion worth something monetarily.
10k, just doesn't cut it for an MLG level tourney.
what the heck people? they have very well said that this was info about the stuff BEFORE the live pro-circuit events. this is NOT the prize for the live, spectator-attended event. last year these events didn't exist, and you're already disappointed in MLG? 10k first place for a non-main event is already more than the prize for 1st place of the main event last year, so you know main event prizes have to be higher! Express your disappoint after they announce the prize pool for the live events if it doesn't meet expectations, not before they say anything!
On January 20 2012 04:10 HuK wrote: i would of preferred no travel cover and higher prizepool. altho its bump in prizepool it still seems pretty lackluster to me, also the scheduling is horrible with other tournaments; organizations should coordinate with eachother more. would be nice if caster payment info was released too
Coz EG pays your trip.....
yes
no travel cover and many people might have a difficult time attending. we don't know behind the scenes stuff, but this might be an issue they had to resolve to get koreans to come, seeing as they wouldn't come to NASL unless all expenses were paid.
On January 20 2012 04:10 HuK wrote: i would of preferred no travel cover and higher prizepool. altho its bump in prizepool it still seems pretty lackluster to me, also the scheduling is horrible with other tournaments; organizations should coordinate with eachother more. would be nice if caster payment info was released too
I have the slight impression you dislike casters :/ You have been goin about the same topic for quite a long time
On January 20 2012 04:10 HuK wrote: i would of preferred no travel cover and higher prizepool. altho its bump in prizepool it still seems pretty lackluster to me, also the scheduling is horrible with other tournaments; organizations should coordinate with eachother more. would be nice if caster payment info was released too
I have the slight impression you dislike casters :/ You have been goin about the same topic for quite a long time
Doesn't mean I do not agree though, because I would like to see it too.
Sorry HuK, but you have no right to ask MLG what they pay them. It's between them and the casters once the contract is signed and there may even be clauses to prevent said information becoming public. If you're really serious about finding out, perhaps you should release your own financial informaton to us? A lot of people would love to know what EG pay you, doesn't mean they ever will//should.
Too bad the regional online qualifiers won't have an open bracket. With the old system relatively unknown players could break through and make a new for themselves, but with the new system this is increasingly unlikely. That is too bad.
Be prepared to see the same old faces over and over.
On January 20 2012 06:09 BronzeKnee wrote: Too bad the regional online qualifiers won't have an open bracket. With the old system relatively unknown players could break through and make a new for themselves, but with the new system this is increasingly unlikely. That is too bad.
Be prepared to see the same old faces over and over.
The Winter Championship at Colombus appears to have a loser's bracket:
The bottom 16 finishers in the Arena will receive byes into Open Winners Bracket Round 5 at the Winter Championship.
On January 20 2012 04:10 HuK wrote: i would of preferred no travel cover and higher prizepool. altho its bump in prizepool it still seems pretty lackluster to me, also the scheduling is horrible with other tournaments; organizations should coordinate with eachother more. would be nice if caster payment info was released too
The Arena event is $10k first place. The championship events for each season will presumably be more.
I hope so, they 5k first place prize at all the MLG's last year was pathetic..... and 10k isn't much better.
I fear, with their recent cost cutting moves, that their talk about 1M+ in prize money for 2012 was just butkus.
I'm disappointed, SC2 need MLG to step up and make being their champion worth something monetarily.
10k, just doesn't cut it for an MLG level tourney.
How much can you really care if you didn't even read all the details in the OP?
On January 20 2012 04:10 HuK wrote: i would of preferred no travel cover and higher prizepool. altho its bump in prizepool it still seems pretty lackluster to me, also the scheduling is horrible with other tournaments; organizations should coordinate with eachother more. would be nice if caster payment info was released too
The Arena event is $10k first place. The championship events for each season will presumably be more.
I hope so, they 5k first place prize at all the MLG's last year was pathetic..... and 10k isn't much better.
I fear, with their recent cost cutting moves, that their talk about 1M+ in prize money for 2012 was just butkus.
I'm disappointed, SC2 need MLG to step up and make being their champion worth something monetarily.
10k, just doesn't cut it for an MLG level tourney.
How much can you really care if you didn't even read all the details in the OP?
Yeah, I know... They have not even announced the real season yet!
$10,000 first place prize for each Arena and there will be multiple Arena's this year and people are complaining? That isn't the main Championship prize either. It seems very reasonable to me.
On January 20 2012 06:09 BronzeKnee wrote: Too bad the regional online qualifiers won't have an open bracket. With the old system relatively unknown players could break through and make a new for themselves, but with the new system this is increasingly unlikely. That is too bad.
Be prepared to see the same old faces over and over.
The Winter Championship at Colombus appears to have a loser's bracket:
The bottom 16 finishers in the Arena will receive byes into Open Winners Bracket Round 5 at the Winter Championship.
So yeah, you get one shot. And you need to make like Top 8 to be considered for next season, unless MLG decides you are good enough, meaning one of the 132 that get invited to the regional. What are the chances of that?
Just make the regional qualifiers open, and it fixes everything.
Even with all its problems, I actually liked the old system better. I still think it was a good system, the points just needed to be readjusted, so you couldn't finish 4th at the first MLG and be seeded for every MLG after.
The arena idea is great. No risk for teams to have to pay for their player's travel only to get nothing out of the trip. Meanwhile, the prizes seems really good, 26k prize pool and the players get all expenses paid. Already this is better than last year's prize pool. Then they have the season championship, which I expect we will see 50k or 100k prize pools. Maybe even more!
We can probably safely assume that nyc= the area events in NYC. CBus of course refers to Columbus, OH.
From that leak on the convention center website, we know Raliegh is going to happen in late August (Aug 24th-26th) and will be the Summer Championship. This would put the Summer Arena in late July, give or take a week or two.
This leaves only a couple of unanswered things with regards to SC2 MLG event timing and locations:
-Timing of Spring and Fall seasons: Based on the dates of the events that we do know about, (and assuming they repeat the same structure for all 4 seasons), each season would be ~2 months long (from online play to area to chamionship). There will be around a ~2 week, perhaps longer gap between seasons, so Spring would start in mid-April and end in mid-June if we want to fit in nicely between MLG Columbus and MLG Raliegh. Fall would start in mid-September and end in mid-November (which actually lines up nicely with when MLG Providence was held to conclude the year).
-Anaheim timing: Looking at the list of events at the Anaheim convention center (http://www.anaheimconventioncenter.com/events.cfm), the June timeframe looks pretty packed every week. Of course, the center is pretty big so multiple events can be held the same weekend, but MLG is pretty big so the chances of that happening are lower. My guess then is that Anaheim will be the Fall event (and be the big-big one for the year? Depends on how MLG structures this all). The only concern I have with this timing is potential closeness to Blizzcon (depends on when they have it), as that might discourage people from going to and paying for both events in such a short timespan.
-The ??? location and timing: From what I know and have seen, signs are pointing to Canada for the event location that has yet to be confirmed. Going along with my Anaheim speculation, I think the Canada event is going to be the location for the Spring championship. This also makes sense because the weather would be better for such an event in the summer months than in the winter months.
Of course, Sundance/MLG could announce something totally different from what I've speculated here! But given what we know now, this is how I think things are going to turn out.
On January 20 2012 06:09 BronzeKnee wrote: Too bad the regional online qualifiers won't have an open bracket. With the old system relatively unknown players could break through and make a new for themselves, but with the new system this is increasingly unlikely. That is too bad.
Be prepared to see the same old faces over and over.
The Winter Championship at Colombus appears to have a loser's bracket:
The bottom 16 finishers in the Arena will receive byes into Open Winners Bracket Round 5 at the Winter Championship.
So yeah, you get one shot. And you need to make like Top 8 to be considered for next season, unless MLG decides you are good enough, meaning one of the 132 that get invited to the regional. What are the chances of that?
Just make the regional qualifiers open, and it fixes everything.
Even with all its problems, I actually liked the old system better. I still think it was a good system, the points just needed to be readjusted, so you couldn't finish 4th at the first MLG and be seeded for every MLG after.
To be fair, just because the Winter qualifier is by invite (based on 2011 results), doesn't necessarily mean subsequent ones won't be open.
We can probably safely assume that nyc= the area events in NYC. CBus of course refers to Columbus, OH.
From that leak on the convention center website, we know Raliegh is going to happen in late August (Aug 24th-26th) and will be the Summer Championship. This would put the Summer Arena in late July, give or take a week or two.
This leaves only a couple of unanswered things with regards to SC2 MLG event timing and locations:
-Timing of Spring and Fall seasons: Based on the dates of the events that we do know about, (and assuming they repeat the same structure for all 4 seasons), each season would be ~2 months long (from online play to area to chamionship). There will be around a ~2 week, perhaps longer gap between seasons, so Spring would start in mid-April and end in mid-June if we want to fit in nicely between MLG Columbus and MLG Raliegh. Fall would start in mid-September and end in mid-November (which actually lines up nicely with when MLG Providence was held to conclude the year).
-Anaheim timing: Looking at the list of events at the Anaheim convention center (http://www.anaheimconventioncenter.com/events.cfm), the June timeframe looks pretty packed every week. Of course, the center is pretty big so multiple events can be held the same weekend, but MLG is pretty big so the chances of that happening are lower. My guess then is that Anaheim will be the Fall event (and be the big-big one for the year? Depends on how MLG structures this all). The only concern I have with this timing is potential closeness to Blizzcon (depends on when they have it), as that might discourage people from going to and paying for both events in such a short timespan.
-The ??? location and timing: From what I know and have seen, signs are pointing to Canada for the event location that has yet to be confirmed. Going along with my Anaheim speculation, I think the Canada event is going to be the location for the Spring championship. This also makes sense because the weather would be better for such an event in the summer months than in the winter months.
Of course, Sundance/MLG could announce something totally different from what I've speculated here! But given what we know now, this is how I think things are going to turn out.
Well, to be fair we knew three of the major locations before any information was released. We knew that Anaheim was a lock for sure. We knew Raleigh was going to occur as it was sadly leaked by the conventions center that will host it. We knew about Columbus just recently I believe. What is the 4th is the question. Also, remember that Sundance was not only talking about bringing MLG back to the TV in the US, but also going international. I would not be surprised if we nailed down more of the season from when this thread was the official 2012 season speculation thread. Look at the last spoiler to see everything we found out before they released any information
MLG, it's stupid of you to make a fully invitational tournament. It stops better players from breaking through. Please stop with this invitational bullshit, for the best of eSports.
On January 20 2012 09:13 epicdemic wrote: MLG, it's stupid of you to make a fully invitational tournament. It stops better players from breaking through. Please stop with this invitational bullshit, for the best of eSports.
reading comprehension or.... You do know they still have open brackets and large events like last year right?
So is the Columbus event going to be open format similar to last years in the sense that x number of players will be able to sign up? Or is the Columbus event invite only to?
On January 20 2012 09:13 epicdemic wrote: MLG, it's stupid of you to make a fully invitational tournament. It stops better players from breaking through. Please stop with this invitational bullshit, for the best of eSports.
reading comprehension or.... You do know they still have open brackets and large events like last year right?
facepalm yourself now
So far, 4 of the past 13 MLG events were 100% invitational. As for the other MLG's:
4 were invited from GSL. 16 were invited from previous MLG's.
These are put into a advantageous position. If you qualify you have to go through open bracket + championship bracket. If you are seeded / invited you don't have to go through open qualify.
By the way: Incontrol is saying the exact same I am on State of the Game now.
This is an interview with Carmac (from ESL / IEM) commenting on the MLG system:
so I'm so confused. from what I understand, there is no open bracket for mlg 2012, so if you don't win any major tournaments or have any big performances in 2011, you cannot particapte in any mlg events in 2012? unless you get magically invited to these arenas?
is there a idoits guide to the new format. the jpg doesn't solve much
zzzz this kind of sucks i diddnt have money or a chance to really participate in 2011 but because of that i cant participate or have a shot at any online qualifiers? zzzz
On January 20 2012 09:44 masterbreti wrote: so I'm so confused. from what I understand, there is no open bracket for mlg 2012, so if you don't win any major tournaments or have any big performances in 2011, you cannot particapte in any mlg events in 2012? unless you get magically invited to these arenas?
is there a idoits guide to the new format. the jpg doesn't solve much
there is no open bracket for the qualifiers or the arena. But there is an open qualifier for the once in a blue moon season open bracket for the massive tourney
I very much dislike the fact that there's so much "invite only" business going on here, I want to see more qualifiers, and fewer invitationals, the open bracket system at past MLG's made it extremely difficult to place well if you didn't do so last time, and difficult to do poorly if you placed well previously, this led to a stale player-pool and squashed the prospects of players having a breakout performance at an MLG (without a good bit of luck and a huge amount of stamina).
So I have read the OP like everyone else, and it is looking the same or worse than it did in 2011.
Now, instead of "pool play" or being kept in there forever, you are "invited" to "qualifiers."
In other words, there are no qualifiers to actually qualify for these events. You are invited. How does this change anything from 2011 in terms of making it so the same players don't show up?
Apparently the "invites" to the TOURNAMENT (not qualifiers) are people that already are popular players/tournament players that have had the money to travel to events previously or are already very known.
So basically, MLG replaced the pool "elite" with an even worse system where they are literally picking who they want in their tournament with an invite system.
...
Is this serious? Yes, there is still an open bracket...but none of those players will have an opportunity to have a paid trip/hotel like the auto-invited already popular elite players...
If they are going to bastardize their tournament even more, they need to stop calling them qualifiers because they aren't qualifiers - they are a completely 100% invite tournament, which is ridiculous.
On January 20 2012 09:32 odder wrote: JP stated on SotG, KR/EU can play in the NA qualifiers, whats the point of regional qualifiers then?
Doesn't it say that your flight won't be paid for if you are not in the region you qualified at? That means if Player A (say random Korean A), participated and got Top 8 in EU or NA qualifiers, he's qualified, but has to find his own way there, something which itself will deter a lot of Koreans from participating.
EDIT: Even the $400 stipend isn't enough to draw Koreans IMO.
On January 20 2012 09:52 avilo wrote: So I have read the OP like everyone else, and it is looking the same or worse than it did in 2011.
Now, instead of "pool play" or being kept in there forever, you are "invited" to "qualifiers."
In other words, there are no qualifiers to actually qualify for these events. You are invited. How does this change anything from 2011 in terms of making it so the same players don't show up?
Apparently the "invites" to the TOURNAMENT (not qualifiers) are people that already are popular players/tournament players that have had the money to travel to events previously or are already very known.
So basically, MLG replaced the pool "elite" with an even worse system where they are literally picking who they want in their tournament with an invite system.
...
Is this serious? Yes, there is still an open bracket...but none of those players will have an opportunity to have a paid trip/hotel like the auto-invited already popular elite players...
If they are going to bastardize their tournament even more, they need to stop calling them qualifiers because they aren't qualifiers - they are a completely 100% invite tournament, which is ridiculous.
This is what I'm thinking to a tea. I think its a awful system unless you are already a popular/elite player
On January 20 2012 09:11 KawaiiRice wrote: Can we play in any/all region qualifiers? NA's qualifiers are on my school days . . . @@;;
It does say you can play in any, but they only give you $400 for airfare. As your based out of the US that should be fine. They will still put you up in a hotel.
On January 20 2012 09:52 avilo wrote: So I have read the OP like everyone else, and it is looking the same or worse than it did in 2011.
Now, instead of "pool play" or being kept in there forever, you are "invited" to "qualifiers."
In other words, there are no qualifiers to actually qualify for these events. You are invited. How does this change anything from 2011 in terms of making it so the same players don't show up?
Apparently the "invites" to the TOURNAMENT (not qualifiers) are people that already are popular players/tournament players that have had the money to travel to events previously or are already very known.
So basically, MLG replaced the pool "elite" with an even worse system where they are literally picking who they want in their tournament with an invite system.
...
Is this serious? Yes, there is still an open bracket...but none of those players will have an opportunity to have a paid trip/hotel like the auto-invited already popular elite players...
If they are going to bastardize their tournament even more, they need to stop calling them qualifiers because they aren't qualifiers - they are a completely 100% invite tournament, which is ridiculous.
yea basically there was 5 mini events and 1 main event anyone can play in with the open bracket last year. Now it looks like not known players are getting shit on while people who did well prob mostly koreans last year wil be invited to "QUALIFIERS" that arent qualifiers but invite only tournaments. If they do the open bracket tournaments it looks like at max 4 of those a year. 1 per season
On January 20 2012 09:52 avilo wrote: So I have read the OP like everyone else, and it is looking the same or worse than it did in 2011.
Now, instead of "pool play" or being kept in there forever, you are "invited" to "qualifiers."
In other words, there are no qualifiers to actually qualify for these events. You are invited. How does this change anything from 2011 in terms of making it so the same players don't show up?
Apparently the "invites" to the TOURNAMENT (not qualifiers) are people that already are popular players/tournament players that have had the money to travel to events previously or are already very known.
So basically, MLG replaced the pool "elite" with an even worse system where they are literally picking who they want in their tournament with an invite system.
...
Is this serious? Yes, there is still an open bracket...but none of those players will have an opportunity to have a paid trip/hotel like the auto-invited already popular elite players...
If they are going to bastardize their tournament even more, they need to stop calling them qualifiers because they aren't qualifiers - they are a completely 100% invite tournament, which is ridiculous.
100% agree with this. I honestly can't wrap my head around how they would even dare call this a qualifier when they are hand picking people right from the start. It's a freaking Invite tournament just like the last MLG Invitational where the 3 regions then fed into the Final Tournament at Providence except this is bigger.
The only reason I can think of them wanting to hand select people is because they are afraid of their favorites getting stomped by up and coming no name Koreans. This way they give chances to EXACTLY who they want and only the people they hand select ever have a chance to get their money. This just feels like a complete farce of a tournament format and it might as well be a freaking Reality Show since competition and finding the best player is not a top priority.
The only OPEN or QUALIFIER portion of MLG 2012 is the Open Bracket at their main tournament and even that you are playing against a stacked deck. These guys don't ever want an even playing field. It's astounding.
On January 20 2012 09:52 avilo wrote: So I have read the OP like everyone else, and it is looking the same or worse than it did in 2011.
Now, instead of "pool play" or being kept in there forever, you are "invited" to "qualifiers."
In other words, there are no qualifiers to actually qualify for these events. You are invited. How does this change anything from 2011 in terms of making it so the same players don't show up?
Apparently the "invites" to the TOURNAMENT (not qualifiers) are people that already are popular players/tournament players that have had the money to travel to events previously or are already very known.
So basically, MLG replaced the pool "elite" with an even worse system where they are literally picking who they want in their tournament with an invite system.
...
Is this serious? Yes, there is still an open bracket...but none of those players will have an opportunity to have a paid trip/hotel like the auto-invited already popular elite players...
If they are going to bastardize their tournament even more, they need to stop calling them qualifiers because they aren't qualifiers - they are a completely 100% invite tournament, which is ridiculous.
This is what I'm thinking to a tea. I think its a awful system unless you are already a popular/elite player
Yeah, in SotG they just discussed stories which are being helpful towards creating content for further tournaments, i think Trimaster was one of the best stories last MLG season. We won't see anything of that calibre again in 2012 if the qualifiers stick to the 139 invited.
Hmm interesting, I haven't read the entire post but I do like the 32 players being completely covered in terms of flight and hotel and the fact that 1st place is 10k and 2nd place is 6k.
On January 20 2012 09:52 avilo wrote: So I have read the OP like everyone else, and it is looking the same or worse than it did in 2011.
Now, instead of "pool play" or being kept in there forever, you are "invited" to "qualifiers."
In other words, there are no qualifiers to actually qualify for these events. You are invited. How does this change anything from 2011 in terms of making it so the same players don't show up?
Apparently the "invites" to the TOURNAMENT (not qualifiers) are people that already are popular players/tournament players that have had the money to travel to events previously or are already very known.
So basically, MLG replaced the pool "elite" with an even worse system where they are literally picking who they want in their tournament with an invite system.
...
Is this serious? Yes, there is still an open bracket...but none of those players will have an opportunity to have a paid trip/hotel like the auto-invited already popular elite players...
If they are going to bastardize their tournament even more, they need to stop calling them qualifiers because they aren't qualifiers - they are a completely 100% invite tournament, which is ridiculous.
This is what I'm thinking to a tea. I think its a awful system unless you are already a popular/elite player
Yeah, in SotG they just discussed stories which are being helpful towards creating content for further tournaments, i think Trimaster was one of the best stories last MLG season. We won't see anything of that calibre again in 2012 if the qualifiers stick to the 139 invited.
Not true at all, anything that happened out of the open bracket last year will be able to happen this year as well.
On January 20 2012 09:52 avilo wrote: So I have read the OP like everyone else, and it is looking the same or worse than it did in 2011.
Now, instead of "pool play" or being kept in there forever, you are "invited" to "qualifiers."
In other words, there are no qualifiers to actually qualify for these events. You are invited. How does this change anything from 2011 in terms of making it so the same players don't show up?
Apparently the "invites" to the TOURNAMENT (not qualifiers) are people that already are popular players/tournament players that have had the money to travel to events previously or are already very known.
So basically, MLG replaced the pool "elite" with an even worse system where they are literally picking who they want in their tournament with an invite system.
...
Is this serious? Yes, there is still an open bracket...but none of those players will have an opportunity to have a paid trip/hotel like the auto-invited already popular elite players...
If they are going to bastardize their tournament even more, they need to stop calling them qualifiers because they aren't qualifiers - they are a completely 100% invite tournament, which is ridiculous.
This is what I'm thinking to a tea. I think its a awful system unless you are already a popular/elite player
Do well in the open bracket, I'm sure you'll get an invite to the qualifier. Its tough, but such is life.
On January 20 2012 09:52 avilo wrote: So I have read the OP like everyone else, and it is looking the same or worse than it did in 2011.
Now, instead of "pool play" or being kept in there forever, you are "invited" to "qualifiers."
In other words, there are no qualifiers to actually qualify for these events. You are invited. How does this change anything from 2011 in terms of making it so the same players don't show up?
Apparently the "invites" to the TOURNAMENT (not qualifiers) are people that already are popular players/tournament players that have had the money to travel to events previously or are already very known.
So basically, MLG replaced the pool "elite" with an even worse system where they are literally picking who they want in their tournament with an invite system.
...
Is this serious? Yes, there is still an open bracket...but none of those players will have an opportunity to have a paid trip/hotel like the auto-invited already popular elite players...
If they are going to bastardize their tournament even more, they need to stop calling them qualifiers because they aren't qualifiers - they are a completely 100% invite tournament, which is ridiculous.
This is what I'm thinking to a tea. I think its a awful system unless you are already a popular/elite player
Yeah, in SotG they just discussed stories which are being helpful towards creating content for further tournaments, i think Trimaster was one of the best stories last MLG season. We won't see anything of that calibre again in 2012 if the qualifiers stick to the 139 invited.
139 is a lot of people though. Maybe they will add more after this backlash.
On January 20 2012 09:52 avilo wrote: So I have read the OP like everyone else, and it is looking the same or worse than it did in 2011.
Now, instead of "pool play" or being kept in there forever, you are "invited" to "qualifiers."
In other words, there are no qualifiers to actually qualify for these events. You are invited. How does this change anything from 2011 in terms of making it so the same players don't show up?
Apparently the "invites" to the TOURNAMENT (not qualifiers) are people that already are popular players/tournament players that have had the money to travel to events previously or are already very known.
So basically, MLG replaced the pool "elite" with an even worse system where they are literally picking who they want in their tournament with an invite system.
...
Is this serious? Yes, there is still an open bracket...but none of those players will have an opportunity to have a paid trip/hotel like the auto-invited already popular elite players...
If they are going to bastardize their tournament even more, they need to stop calling them qualifiers because they aren't qualifiers - they are a completely 100% invite tournament, which is ridiculous.
This is what I'm thinking to a tea. I think its a awful system unless you are already a popular/elite player
Yeah, in SotG they just discussed stories which are being helpful towards creating content for further tournaments, i think Trimaster was one of the best stories last MLG season. We won't see anything of that calibre again in 2012 if the qualifiers stick to the 139 invited.
139 is a lot of people though. Maybe they will add more after this backlash.
yea but with how tournies in 2011 went like 100/139 of those people will be like korean invites hah unless its split evenly
On January 20 2012 09:52 avilo wrote: So I have read the OP like everyone else, and it is looking the same or worse than it did in 2011.
Now, instead of "pool play" or being kept in there forever, you are "invited" to "qualifiers."
In other words, there are no qualifiers to actually qualify for these events. You are invited. How does this change anything from 2011 in terms of making it so the same players don't show up?
Apparently the "invites" to the TOURNAMENT (not qualifiers) are people that already are popular players/tournament players that have had the money to travel to events previously or are already very known.
So basically, MLG replaced the pool "elite" with an even worse system where they are literally picking who they want in their tournament with an invite system.
...
Is this serious? Yes, there is still an open bracket...but none of those players will have an opportunity to have a paid trip/hotel like the auto-invited already popular elite players...
If they are going to bastardize their tournament even more, they need to stop calling them qualifiers because they aren't qualifiers - they are a completely 100% invite tournament, which is ridiculous.
This is what I'm thinking to a tea. I think its a awful system unless you are already a popular/elite player
Yeah, in SotG they just discussed stories which are being helpful towards creating content for further tournaments, i think Trimaster was one of the best stories last MLG season. We won't see anything of that calibre again in 2012 if the qualifiers stick to the 139 invited.
139 is a lot of people though. Maybe they will add more after this backlash.
This is basically just an event to determine seeding for the big event with a little prize pool to compensate. The "real" mlg event in columbus will allow those stories from open bracket and in fact the open bracket will probably be easy since the top16 are in pool play and the other 16 are in OWR5 so the people who go in open bracket from not arena wont be meeting the monsters in first 5 rounds.
Well since invites of 139 people are based on 2011 performance, people who rise to stardom in 2012 will not be invited to MLG.
Can anyone guarantee me that a currently noname Korean will not win a GSL in 2012? I honestly don't think so.
Also, can people attend multiple qualifiers? If so, I think we are going to see a disproportionate number of Koreans in the finals, because a lot of Koreans will also qualify from EU and NA qualifiers, whereas no foreigners will qualify from KR qualifiers. I don't think this is bad, but I know a lot of people do. I think we are looking at 20+ Korean players out of 32 here.
I don't understand why there needs to be an invite list to the qualifier in the first place. Just make it truly open and let the best rise to the top and win the spots.
The invites for the qualifiers is only to determine the pool play. The MLG Winter Championship will be like any other MLG... there wil be 16 people in pool play, and an Open Bracket... so effectively it doesn't change anything. All that it does is gives like FIVE tournaments per season, rather than 5 tournaments per year,.
Assuming you are good enough to compete in the Arena, which is what the qualifiers are for, you will be invited. I would say it would be pretty impossible to find a player who hasn't been invited who would be good enough to qualify for that Arena spot. The qualifier for the Arena is only to determine the Pool play spots for the main championship anyway. There is still a massive live event for the main championship where the players who weren't invited can play if they want, they will just be in the open bracket. They may be scared of the Code B Koreans that will join the open qualifiers and most likely knock out most of the players if it was truly open to everybody, and this definitely feels very controlled and I don't really like it; it doesn't feel very fair. However I love the fact there will be more tournaments, the Arena idea is excellent and MLG split into seasons feels like a very good move.
On January 20 2012 11:15 Xeris wrote: Avilo -- your information is incorrect.
The invites for the qualifiers is only to determine the pool play. The MLG Winter Championship will be like any other MLG... there wil be 16 people in pool play, and an Open Bracket... so effectively it doesn't change anything. All that it does is gives like FIVE tournaments per season, rather than 5 tournaments per year,.
It's awesome oo! I love the format.
It isn't exactly the same. Seeds 17-32 also get placed towards the end of the Open bracket allowing for even more players to be fast forwarded through than before. http://i.imgur.com/IZ55q.png
On January 20 2012 11:15 Xeris wrote: Avilo -- your information is incorrect.
The invites for the qualifiers is only to determine the pool play. The MLG Winter Championship will be like any other MLG... there wil be 16 people in pool play, and an Open Bracket... so effectively it doesn't change anything. All that it does is gives like FIVE tournaments per season, rather than 5 tournaments per year,.
It's awesome oo! I love the format.
I think his point was that only those on the invite list for the qualifiers have a chance at a free flight. Whereas everyone else has to fly themselves to play in the open bracket at the main mlg event. Everyone should have a shot at free flights.
"The Winter Arena will be live streamed for your viewing pleasure, but there will not be a live spectator component." So the Winter Arena is the live event on New York, NY. Why is not live spectator component It is probably the only MLG I can attend to cuz of pure luck I will be on NY from de 24 till the other week. And I live outside US and any other country that does Esports events thats a reall bummer for me, besides that sounds really interesting the new format till now
The current invite format for the online qualifiers is set up due to the compressed timeframe from announcement to the first Pro-Circuit event. That doesn't mean they'll be invite only for the rest of the Seasons this year. Stay tuned for those details.
Second, to the folks talking about prize money, the announced Prize Money is for the Arena events only, which are a completely NEW event that didn't exist last year in MLG's structure. It does NOT include the Pro-Circuit Championships for each season (which is what you all watched last year at Anaheim, Columbus, Providence, etc). Those details will be announced shortly as well.
Edit: Also keep in mind that we're funding travel 32 + 16 = 48 times for players from all over the world. That is NOT a trivial amount of funding. And each player is getting booked a room to themselves for the Winter Season, so if teammates want to stack up in a room, they can do that. I hope that's viewed as the gesture of support to the teams that it's meant to be. Even the more successful teams will not be carrying the weight on their sponsorship budgets for that travel. EG, for example, has two players in the top 8 from Providence (Huk and Idra), so that's quite a bit of support just to them. In addition, if you're an unaffiliated player and qualify in, you don't need to provide that support or get it from someplace else.
Edit 2: "stay tuned" and "shortly" are vague deliberately. Sorry folks, but there is a timeline here and it's not just because we're trying to hype the hype. There's reasons for this (and deals, and commitments to partners) which we have to finalize before can share them all. And no, i can't tell you what the reasons are :D
Edit 3: (sorry for the wall of text now) The Pro-Circuit events STILL HAVE AN OPEN BRACKET. Anyone can register and play in those. The Online Quali's > Arena are for placement into the Championship Pools at the Pro Circuit Championship.
Edit 4: No spectators in the venue because we don't have room. It's a studio shoot.
On January 20 2012 13:32 MLG_Lee wrote: The current invite format for the online qualifiers is set up due to the compressed timeframe from announcement to the first Pro-Circuit event. That doesn't mean they'll be invite only for the rest of the Seasons this year. Stay tuned for those details.
Second, to the folks talking about prize money, the announced Prize Money is for the Arena events only, which are a completely NEW event that didn't exist last year in MLG's structure. It does NOT include the Pro-Circuit Championships for each season (which is what you all watched last year at Anaheim, Columbus, Providence, etc). Those details will be announced shortly as well.
Does "stay tuned" have an approximate ETA? Can we assume future online qualifiers will not be strictly invite-only? Thanks, Lee!
What in the hell ? T_____T Why bring them to New York if there's no live spectators as part of the event? New York never gets anything but a small IEM stage at Comic Con :[
On January 20 2012 13:54 Stanlot wrote: What in the hell ? T_____T Why bring them to New York if there's no live spectators as part of the event? New York never gets anything but a small IEM stage at Comic Con :[
On January 20 2012 13:32 MLG_Lee wrote: The current invite format for the online qualifiers is set up due to the compressed timeframe from announcement to the first Pro-Circuit event. That doesn't mean they'll be invite only for the rest of the Seasons this year. Stay tuned for those details.
Second, to the folks talking about prize money, the announced Prize Money is for the Arena events only, which are a completely NEW event that didn't exist last year in MLG's structure. It does NOT include the Pro-Circuit Championships for each season (which is what you all watched last year at Anaheim, Columbus, Providence, etc). Those details will be announced shortly as well.
Does "stay tuned" have an approximate ETA? Can we assume future online qualifiers will not be strictly invite-only? Thanks, Lee!
Good to hear, a pure invite-only online qualifiers isn't what everyone wants, hope it's more open past the first.
On January 20 2012 11:15 Xeris wrote: Avilo -- your information is incorrect.
The invites for the qualifiers is only to determine the pool play. The MLG Winter Championship will be like any other MLG... there wil be 16 people in pool play, and an Open Bracket... so effectively it doesn't change anything. All that it does is gives like FIVE tournaments per season, rather than 5 tournaments per year,.
It's awesome oo! I love the format.
I think his point was that only those on the invite list for the qualifiers have a chance at a free flight. Whereas everyone else has to fly themselves to play in the open bracket at the main mlg event. Everyone should have a shot at free flights.
Why should everyone have a shot at the free flight? Can someone explain that to me? Why should they have to organize a 512 or 1024 person bracket when realistically there are 40-50 people in that bracket that can/should win. It is still a business. That is like me saying, "it is unfair that I can't play in the US Open. I own golf clubs. I want to play in the US open, why does Tiger woods get invited and I don't?"
Seriously, if you aren't one of the 139 recongizable/invited faces then you probably aren't winning it anyway. And if you are good enough to win it, then you need to be on a team, winning the daily's/open tournaments you can enter, and building your name up just like the other top/known players have had to do and then you'll be on that invitation list. I really doubt that anyone that has a legit shot at getting one of these paid trips isn't going to get invited outside of the most ridiculously lucky run ever.
I have no sympathy for this "everything has to be fair! everyone deserves a trophy!" bullshit that goes on often on this forum. MLG has the right to setup the format however they want. They don't owe anything to lesser known players, it isn't their job to help them get recognized or win a free trip. Again, if you are good enough to be in that talent level then work your way up just like the current known players had to do. It wasn't handed to all of them, they started out being unknown at some point too.
On January 20 2012 13:32 MLG_Lee wrote: The current invite format for the online qualifiers is set up due to the compressed timeframe from announcement to the first Pro-Circuit event. That doesn't mean they'll be invite only for the rest of the Seasons this year. Stay tuned for those details.
Second, to the folks talking about prize money, the announced Prize Money is for the Arena events only, which are a completely NEW event that didn't exist last year in MLG's structure. It does NOT include the Pro-Circuit Championships for each season (which is what you all watched last year at Anaheim, Columbus, Providence, etc). Those details will be announced shortly as well.
Edit: Also keep in mind that we're funding travel 32 + 16 = 48 times for players from all over the world. That is NOT a trivial amount of funding. And each player is getting booked a room to themselves for the Winter Season, so if teammates want to stack up in a room, they can do that. I hope that's viewed as the gesture of support to the teams that it's meant to be. Even the more successful teams will not be carrying the weight on their sponsorship budgets for that travel. EG, for example, has two players in the top 8 from Providence (Huk and Idra), so that's quite a bit of support just to them. In addition, if you're an unaffiliated player and qualify in, you don't need to provide that support or get it from someplace else.
Edit 2: "stay tuned" and "shortly" are vague deliberately. Sorry folks, but there is a timeline here and it's not just because we're trying to hype the hype. There's reasons for this (and deals, and commitments to partners) which we have to finalize before can share them all. And no, i can't tell you what the reasons are :D
Edit 3: (sorry for the wall of text now) The Pro-Circuit events STILL HAVE AN OPEN BRACKET. Anyone can register and play in those. The Online Quali's > Arena are for placement into the Championship Pools at the Pro Circuit Championship.
Edit 4: No spectators in the venue because we don't have room. It's a studio shoot.
Added this to the OP as I think it is extremely important for everyone to read facts before posting.
On January 20 2012 13:47 mTwTT1 wrote: hi lee, when will the invitees be announced?
If you don't know yet, Your most likely not invited. Not trying to be offensive.
na dont worry i never get offended, thing is xeris used to register me for the mlg tournaments and the account is registered under his email TT(fnaticxeris)
On January 20 2012 13:47 mTwTT1 wrote: hi lee, when will the invitees be announced?
If you don't know yet, Your most likely not invited. Not trying to be offensive.
na dont worry i never get offended, thing is xeris used to register me for the mlg tournaments and the account is registered under his email TT(fnaticxeris)
On January 20 2012 13:47 mTwTT1 wrote: hi lee, when will the invitees be announced?
If you don't know yet, Your most likely not invited. Not trying to be offensive.
na dont worry i never get offended, thing is xeris used to register me for the mlg tournaments and the account is registered under his email TT(fnaticxeris)
^ Top 40 NA player
me top 200 GM na ladder player, usa fighting eye of the tiger ne~
On January 20 2012 13:47 mTwTT1 wrote: hi lee, when will the invitees be announced?
If you don't know yet, Your most likely not invited. Not trying to be offensive.
na dont worry i never get offended, thing is xeris used to register me for the mlg tournaments and the account is registered under his email TT(fnaticxeris)
^ Top 40 NA player
me top 200 GM na ladder player, usa fighting eye of the tiger ne~
I dont even get the 8 Korean thing either I miss the good old MLG's where there actually was good content and players had something to say when they were interviewed.
When I want to watch boring people play starcraft I watch GSL.
The ARENA events should be interesting since they are strictly streamed events (not something you can go to). But, as long as the production value is top notch I think they should be really awesome. I think the games will go alot smoother as well, seeing as there should be less variance in everybody's schedules. Though, I do wonder, who will end up casting all of these events? That's A LOT of things to go for somebody like Tastosis (Although, I imagine Artosis might be sitting out from a few events this year because of his newborn).
On January 20 2012 16:20 Syrupjuice wrote: The ARENA events should be interesting since they are strictly streamed events (not something you can go to). But, as long as the production value is top notch I think they should be really awesome. I think the games will go alot smoother as well, seeing as there should be less variance in everybody's schedules. Though, I do wonder, who will end up casting all of these events? That's A LOT of things to go for somebody like Tastosis (Although, I imagine Artosis might be sitting out from a few events this year because of his newborn).
I wouldn't doubt it if they switched some casters about throughout the tournament. If it's online only, I don't see why they can't just rotate between jp, husky, day9, artosis, tasteless, djwheat and others without a problem like usual. Perhaps no/less tastosis, atleast for the Arena ones.(which doesn't bug me as much seeing how IMO I think all the casters I mentioned, if properly paired together, are just as good.)
On January 20 2012 11:15 Xeris wrote: Avilo -- your information is incorrect.
The invites for the qualifiers is only to determine the pool play. The MLG Winter Championship will be like any other MLG... there wil be 16 people in pool play, and an Open Bracket... so effectively it doesn't change anything. All that it does is gives like FIVE tournaments per season, rather than 5 tournaments per year,.
It's awesome oo! I love the format.
yea but still no rather unknown player outside of the 139 invitees can try to win a pool spot if they didnt have money to travel or something like that last year. So before at least anyone from the beginning of the year had a shot at pool play to accumulate points. Now if you aren't in the 139 now you don't have even a shimmer of hope of making pool play
This is so awesome I'm having trouble breathing! The online qualifiers will bring so much quality streaming, the winter arena will be soo awesome and we're still getting the fantastic MLG structure in the winter championship!
My two issues with MLG was that there was such a long time between tournaments and that the timezone makes it difficult to watch when living in Europe. They fixed the first one and it sounds incredible!!
I like what I'm seeing. Especially in the extended coverage from Forbes and G4. And I'm really glad that you've noticed that you can hitch yourself to the SC2 popularity gravy train.
Of course, with paid travel offered for players that can get into the pools/championship seeding - I guess you're not too worried about needing the exchange program. If MLG is willing to food the hefty travel costs, and run qualifiers per region... you're guaranteeing a good ratio of seeded/invited Koreans and Europeans to liven up events, while still allowing teams to send others to backdoor in through the open bracket if the teams (or players) are willing to pickup airfare.
More events sounds good, too... squeeze in a Montreal event (you'll make buckets of money, if barcrafts are any indication) and maybe a few in other locations, possibly branching out to international events... It sounds like you have all the funding pretty well in place to get things moving. My only request... PLEASE come back to Orlando. I want to go again.
On January 20 2012 13:32 MLG_Lee wrote: The current invite format for the online qualifiers is set up due to the compressed timeframe from announcement to the first Pro-Circuit event. That doesn't mean they'll be invite only for the rest of the Seasons this year. Stay tuned for those details.
Second, to the folks talking about prize money, the announced Prize Money is for the Arena events only, which are a completely NEW event that didn't exist last year in MLG's structure. It does NOT include the Pro-Circuit Championships for each season (which is what you all watched last year at Anaheim, Columbus, Providence, etc). Those details will be announced shortly as well.
Edit: Also keep in mind that we're funding travel 32 + 16 = 48 times for players from all over the world. That is NOT a trivial amount of funding. And each player is getting booked a room to themselves for the Winter Season, so if teammates want to stack up in a room, they can do that. I hope that's viewed as the gesture of support to the teams that it's meant to be. Even the more successful teams will not be carrying the weight on their sponsorship budgets for that travel. EG, for example, has two players in the top 8 from Providence (Huk and Idra), so that's quite a bit of support just to them. In addition, if you're an unaffiliated player and qualify in, you don't need to provide that support or get it from someplace else.
Edit 2: "stay tuned" and "shortly" are vague deliberately. Sorry folks, but there is a timeline here and it's not just because we're trying to hype the hype. There's reasons for this (and deals, and commitments to partners) which we have to finalize before can share them all. And no, i can't tell you what the reasons are :D
Edit 3: (sorry for the wall of text now) The Pro-Circuit events STILL HAVE AN OPEN BRACKET. Anyone can register and play in those. The Online Quali's > Arena are for placement into the Championship Pools at the Pro Circuit Championship.
Edit 4: No spectators in the venue because we don't have room. It's a studio shoot.
Can't wait for more details... Thanks Lee for clarifying!
I'm still annoyed by the extended series, I haven't seen a single decent defence of it, and I thought that pretty much everyone was certain that the rule was gonna be gone this year.
Added the link to the OP and if someone can embed it to the forums please do so! I am pretty sure you can't embed anything apart from YouTube videos to TL.
Added the link to the OP and if someone can embed it to the forums please do so! I am pretty sure you can't embed anything apart from YouTube videos to TL.
The changes seem so awesome. Bascially everything I was critical about in the last season seems to be resolved. Maybe except extended series, dont know if they still have that.
Added the link to the OP and if someone can embed it to the forums please do so! I am pretty sure you can't embed anything apart from YouTube videos to TL.
Perhaps for 2012 MLG could look into a player that works more reliably that the one they are currently using, please?
Wait I don't really understand. Does this mean they are getting rid of the circuit (They are coming around to Aneheim, Raleigh, etc?) Or is it COMPLETELY separate?
On January 21 2012 13:07 PhilleeC wrote: Wait I don't really understand. Does this mean they are getting rid of the circuit (They are coming around to Aneheim, Raleigh, etc?) Or is it COMPLETELY separate?
The winter season is for a smaller prize pool, but has seeding for pool play at the regular circuit events. They still are going to do at least 4 full blown circuit events with the open bracket and stuff
From the video it sounds like MLG is going to introduce their own ladder (yay!), and by fighting up the ladder you can get invites to future arena events (and thus by winning those, paid for trips to MLG "Championship" events..
On January 20 2012 11:15 Xeris wrote: Avilo -- your information is incorrect.
The invites for the qualifiers is only to determine the pool play. The MLG Winter Championship will be like any other MLG... there wil be 16 people in pool play, and an Open Bracket... so effectively it doesn't change anything. All that it does is gives like FIVE tournaments per season, rather than 5 tournaments per year,.
It's awesome oo! I love the format.
yea but still no rather unknown player outside of the 139 invitees can try to win a pool spot if they didnt have money to travel or something like that last year. So before at least anyone from the beginning of the year had a shot at pool play to accumulate points. Now if you aren't in the 139 now you don't have even a shimmer of hope of making pool play
139 is not a small number. Unless they royally fuck up the selection of the 139 players there no way any of those left will be in a position to actually qualify in a top 8 spot.
Pretty much everything but the extended series stuff seems good to me. To restore their reputation MLG also needs to make sure to compensate Naniwa for not getting his promised code S in some way.
On January 22 2012 23:35 Robinsa wrote: Pretty much everything but the extended series stuff seems good to me. To restore their reputation MLG also needs to make sure to compensate Naniwa for not getting his promised code S in some way.
That was in no way MLG's fault. That was GSL's fault for not keeping their part of the deal...
On January 22 2012 23:35 Robinsa wrote: Pretty much everything but the extended series stuff seems good to me. To restore their reputation MLG also needs to make sure to compensate Naniwa for not getting his promised code S in some way.
On January 22 2012 23:35 Robinsa wrote: Pretty much everything but the extended series stuff seems good to me. To restore their reputation MLG also needs to make sure to compensate Naniwa for not getting his promised code S in some way.
Yeah, I think MLG should give Naniwa's opponents a 50% handicap now, just because of that. Can't believe MLG would do such a thing.
On January 22 2012 23:35 Robinsa wrote: Pretty much everything but the extended series stuff seems good to me. To restore their reputation MLG also needs to make sure to compensate Naniwa for not getting his promised code S in some way.
that's the stupidest thing i have ever heard
I need to meet some of you friends. That is one of the most intelligent thing I´ve heard in weeks...
On January 22 2012 23:35 Robinsa wrote: Pretty much everything but the extended series stuff seems good to me. To restore their reputation MLG also needs to make sure to compensate Naniwa for not getting his promised code S in some way.
that's the stupidest thing i have ever heard
I need to meet some of you friends. That is one of the most intelligent thing I´ve heard in weeks...
MLG have absolutely no obligation, moral or otherwise, to compensate Naniwa for his lost Code S spot. Saying they have is absolute nonsense.
However, curious about the NYC event... it doesn't specify that it will be open to spectators, not does it specify that it is streaming-only. Interesting...
On January 25 2012 05:12 DiLiGu wrote: All expenses paid, that's huge.
However, curious about the NYC event... it doesn't specify that it will be open to spectators, not does it specify that it is streaming-only. Interesting...
On January 20 2012 11:15 Xeris wrote: Avilo -- your information is incorrect.
The invites for the qualifiers is only to determine the pool play. The MLG Winter Championship will be like any other MLG... there wil be 16 people in pool play, and an Open Bracket... so effectively it doesn't change anything. All that it does is gives like FIVE tournaments per season, rather than 5 tournaments per year,.
It's awesome oo! I love the format.
yea but still no rather unknown player outside of the 139 invitees can try to win a pool spot if they didnt have money to travel or something like that last year. So before at least anyone from the beginning of the year had a shot at pool play to accumulate points. Now if you aren't in the 139 now you don't have even a shimmer of hope of making pool play
139 is not a small number. Unless they royally fuck up the selection of the 139 players there no way any of those left will be in a position to actually qualify in a top 8 spot.
I'm a bit confused about the process, I'm not invited and I really think that after going to 4 MLGs last year, finishing top 100 in pts (obviously not much but still something), qualifying for IEM NY, winning a $1000 LAN, I'm one of the top 139 players (after hearing about other players that got invited).
Wondering if MLG could explain a bit more what they took into account. Not trying to be too butthurt but MLG has screwed me over quite a few times now..
On January 20 2012 11:15 Xeris wrote: Avilo -- your information is incorrect.
The invites for the qualifiers is only to determine the pool play. The MLG Winter Championship will be like any other MLG... there wil be 16 people in pool play, and an Open Bracket... so effectively it doesn't change anything. All that it does is gives like FIVE tournaments per season, rather than 5 tournaments per year,.
It's awesome oo! I love the format.
yea but still no rather unknown player outside of the 139 invitees can try to win a pool spot if they didnt have money to travel or something like that last year. So before at least anyone from the beginning of the year had a shot at pool play to accumulate points. Now if you aren't in the 139 now you don't have even a shimmer of hope of making pool play
139 is not a small number. Unless they royally fuck up the selection of the 139 players there no way any of those left will be in a position to actually qualify in a top 8 spot.
I'm a bit confused about the process, I'm not invited and I really think that after going to 4 MLGs last year, finishing top 100 in pts (obviously not much but still something), qualifying for IEM NY, winning a $1000 LAN, I'm one of the top 139 players (after hearing about other players that got invited).
Wondering if MLG could explain a bit more what they took into account. Not trying to be too butthurt but MLG has screwed me over quite a few times now..
Wholeheartedly agree, I support Pokebunny's right to pwn noobs!
We've got some more StarCraft 2 news about the 2012 Pro Circuit dropping tomorrow morning! Don't worry console gamers, there's news for you coming soon too. Probably not tomorrow, but it is on the way...
On January 20 2012 11:15 Xeris wrote: Avilo -- your information is incorrect.
The invites for the qualifiers is only to determine the pool play. The MLG Winter Championship will be like any other MLG... there wil be 16 people in pool play, and an Open Bracket... so effectively it doesn't change anything. All that it does is gives like FIVE tournaments per season, rather than 5 tournaments per year,.
It's awesome oo! I love the format.
yea but still no rather unknown player outside of the 139 invitees can try to win a pool spot if they didnt have money to travel or something like that last year. So before at least anyone from the beginning of the year had a shot at pool play to accumulate points. Now if you aren't in the 139 now you don't have even a shimmer of hope of making pool play
139 is not a small number. Unless they royally fuck up the selection of the 139 players there no way any of those left will be in a position to actually qualify in a top 8 spot.
I'm a bit confused about the process, I'm not invited and I really think that after going to 4 MLGs last year, finishing top 100 in pts (obviously not much but still something), qualifying for IEM NY, winning a $1000 LAN, I'm one of the top 139 players (after hearing about other players that got invited).
Wondering if MLG could explain a bit more what they took into account. Not trying to be too butthurt but MLG has screwed me over quite a few times now..
Thats the reason why i wont watch this tournament. Every tournament organizer always says that theres a chance for "cinderella stories", like when NaNi won MLG etc. But NaNi WAS already in a big team, who could afford to send him over to the US. Now they are PAYING 32 trips to the US, but ONLY for top tier players, who are already in good teams who could afford anyways to send them over. All those unknown players, who also train their ass off, but had not yet the chance to show some results, dont even get considered. Thats just the most crappy idea of 2012 (imho).
It was so nice to see Feast perform in IEM, Trimaster winning vs Idra, ... those players ARE actually there, they just need some chances. I havent seen the list of the players but i can just say blindly that 70% of those "invited" players just had the luck to be in a well known team since the start of Sc2.
Sorry this is not the way to bring on eSports. Completly ignoring new talents.
"But hey, when they're so good, they can rob a bank an pay for the trip themselfes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" MLG is getting more and more dislikable to me.
Greetings, everyone! We hope you’re ready for 2012 to begin in earnest, because it’s time to play.
Last week, we announced the first details of our new structure for StarCraft 2: four Seasons, with the Winter Season comprised of Invitation-Only Online Qualifiers, leading to a live Arena, with everything culminating in a live Championship in Columbus, OH. The Online Qualifiers directly impact Arena participation and Championship seeding. The Arena adds another level of live competition and strengthens Championship Pool Play. The Championships are still the insane test of skill you’ve come to know and love, and now there's even more on the line.
Before we get to the fun stuff (meaning the prize money), there’s an important bit of information we’d like to get out to everyone. While we can’t yet announce the cities in which the Spring, Summer and Fall Championships will take place, we can tell you the dates. We know you need to start making plans, and we want to give you the info you need to do so. Dates for the Online Qualifiers, Arenas, and all other segments leading up to each Season’s Championship, will be announced later. We'll also be bringing you info on additional Pro Circuit games and prizing for future Championship events. For now, here are the dates of all the Championships themselves.
2012 Season Championship Dates
Winter Championship: March 23-25 Spring Championship: June 8-10 Summer Championship: August 24-26 Fall Championship: November 2-4
Got your calendars marked? Excellent. Now, on to details about the Winter StarCraft 2 Season. We have invited 139 of the world’s best players to compete in the Regional Online Qualifiers (Confirmed Player List coming soon), and the Top 8 from each Region (NA/EU/KR) will be flown, all expenses paid, to NYC to compete live in the Winter Arena, alongside the Top 8 finishers from MLG Providence ’11. The Top 16 from this Arena will be flown, all expenses paid, to the Winter Championship, where they will go straight into Pool Play. The bottom 16 will go into Open Winners Round 5, where it’s just a quick two-win hop into the Championship Bracket. But what’s at stake?
StarCraft 2 Winter Championship Prize Money
$76,000 in total
1st Place: $25,000 2nd Place: $15,000 3rd Place: $9,000 4th Place: $5,500 5th/6th Place: $3,500 each 7th/8th Place: $2,250 each 9th- 12th Place: $1,500 each 13th-16th Place: $1,000 each
You did indeed read that right. It's no longer the Top 8 that will win prize money at the Championship: it's the Top 16. And Consolation matches are now gone. 256 Players will compete for $76k, split among 16 players, with $25k for 1st alone; that’s five times what it was for 1st Place at a Pro Circuit event last year. All competitors should know that acing the Online Qualifiers and then the Arena will give you an incredibly significant advantage in the Championship, where a ton of money is up for grabs.
Full StarCraft 2 Winter Season Schedule
Regional Online Qualfiers: First two weeks of February Winter Arena: Feb 24-26, New York, NY Winter Championship: March 23-25, Columbus, OH
We will have even more information for you soon, including the rules, format and Map Pool for the Online Qualifiers and Arena. We'll also be providing full information about all the other games that will be on the Pro Circuit. For now, if you're a StarCraft 2 player, we hope you're ready. There's a lot more at stake now. And keep in mind, this is just Winter. Who knows what glory Spring will bring? Welcome to the MLG 2012 Pro Circuit.
God... I can't believe "extended series" is still there.... Maybe instead of a 2-0 lead, they get map pick for every match? That sounds way better then starting 0-2 in a bo5, which is almost impossible (unless drg) to come back from.
On February 24 2012 01:40 doobscraft wrote: Can someone put up a link with the exact venue and where to buy tickets?
You mean you want someone to do a google search for you?
o.O
well... mr. smartass... I did a google search and its not clear WHERE the event is held and where to buy tix. and I cant find it. maybe im just retarded. but if its that easy hook it up for one of your less intelligent brothers in god.
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