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Pangpootata
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
1838 Posts
November 16 2011 23:25 GMT
#1821
On November 17 2011 01:06 windsupernova wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2011 21:20 Pangpootata wrote:
On November 16 2011 21:00 Oktyabr wrote:
On November 16 2011 20:45 gulati wrote:
This is the Korean Weekly. This isn't an MLG or IPL, sorry to say. The reaction from people trying to white-knight eSports and the internet is wildly perplexing. Calm the fuck down, they are young kids who are jokingly talking in-game. So what if he said lets do another game. Isn't there a reason why the community recognizes "Major Tournaments" versus "Online Tournaments"?

People don't understand the severity of certain issues. Stephano's contract situation is a severe issue, since it's a precedent for eSports and strengthening it. Protecting this, aka, saying Coca was wrong, is hurting eSports, because you are essentially removing the human element from the game, and causing robotic interference. At this rate, just fucking ban chat in general.

Disgraceful by all parties who concur that Coca acted in a poor fashion. He did nothing to cause me to believe he is not a professional; maybe if he acted like this at a "major lan event", then I would concur. However, as it stands, anybody who dissents seriously needs to re-think what example this is setting, because I can't see anything positive coming from having KeSPA 2.0 essentially.


So what's the lower limit on an event? What does it depend on? The prizepool and the viewership? Essentially if it's low enough you can fuck around with its integrity, right?

Guess which team is Coca on? Guess what does the founder actually believe in? It's not at all hard to see why Korean netizens want to nail the two of them to a cross already. This is the best possible outcome for Coca, the alternative being him leaving Slayers and joining a foreigner team.


Haha. The founder of Coca's team is someone who makes use of loopholes in rules and game exploits to win (refer to allied mines incident). Coca exploiting an unwritten rule to lose is actually less bad than doing so to win.


Except that when he used them there was no rule against that. So your comparision makes no sense at all

There is no rule saying you must play your best and cannot lose purposely. Justin and co were breaking the law for illegal betting. But what coca did was not against any law whatsoever.
jellyjello
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)664 Posts
November 16 2011 23:40 GMT
#1822
On November 17 2011 07:35 Canucklehead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 07:32 FrostFire626 wrote:
Match fixing is cheating, plain and simple. If 100% of all fixed tournament matches could be detected, every single perpetrator should be punished.

But since it is not possible to detect all match fixing, the E-Sports tournament community has a duty to punish match fixers if they can prove that they committed this offense, and this is one of those cases.


That's like saying stealing is stealing, plain and simple. Sure stealing is stealing, but there are various degrees of stealing such as grand larceny or stealing a pack of gum from a store.

There are various degrees of match fixing too. What savior did is the highest example and should be punished to the max like he was. What coca and byun did falls on the petty scale of match fixing, but the punishment handed out was disproportionate to the degree of match fixing.


All I can say is that it's a good thing SlayerS don't operate within the realm of your logical thinking. There are players in Korea that prides themselves as "professional" gamers and treat e-sports very seriously (eg, July staying up late for a NASL match that never happened). An official match is an offical match regardless of its magnitutude, location, or impact. This incident is not career ending for Coca or Byun. I just hope that they learn their lessons from this and become better professional players in the future.

I will also say that a lot of current SC2 players in Korea never really experienced what it's like to become a real progamer because they've been buried deep in the practice squad in their BW career. The reason Nada made that short speech during the gruop stage was precisely because of this - these players lack professionalism. As Nada said, they need to take pride in what they do and do it seriously.
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-16 23:49:44
November 16 2011 23:46 GMT
#1823
On November 17 2011 08:40 jellyjello wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 07:35 Canucklehead wrote:
On November 17 2011 07:32 FrostFire626 wrote:
Match fixing is cheating, plain and simple. If 100% of all fixed tournament matches could be detected, every single perpetrator should be punished.

But since it is not possible to detect all match fixing, the E-Sports tournament community has a duty to punish match fixers if they can prove that they committed this offense, and this is one of those cases.


That's like saying stealing is stealing, plain and simple. Sure stealing is stealing, but there are various degrees of stealing such as grand larceny or stealing a pack of gum from a store.

There are various degrees of match fixing too. What savior did is the highest example and should be punished to the max like he was. What coca and byun did falls on the petty scale of match fixing, but the punishment handed out was disproportionate to the degree of match fixing.


All I can say is that it's a good thing SlayerS don't operate within the realm of your logical thinking. There are players in Korea that prides themselves as "professional" gamers and treat e-sports very seriously (eg, July staying up late for a NASL match that never happened). An official match is an offical match regardless of its magnitutude, location, or impact. This incident is not career ending for Coca or Byun. I just hope that they learn their lessons from this and become better professional players in the future.

I will also say that a lot of current SC2 players in Korea never really experienced what it's like to become a real progamer because they've been buried deep in the practice squad in their BW career. The reason Nada made that short speech during the gruop stage was precisely because of this - these players lack professionalism. As Nada said, they need to take pride in what they do and do it seriously.


Well I can tell this is a veiled bw elitism post since my bw elitist friend says the same thing. However, you're ignoring the fact that bw pros did this all the time at WCG and artosis said they even typed it in pre game lobby chat.

My friend also told me that sharing prize money among teammates was super common in bw and was a respectful thing to do. Therefore he wasn't surprised by the nestea/mvp blizzcon match because he expected there was an agreement to share prize money since it was common and honourable to do in bw. While they wouldn't throw the match, they would treat it as a show match since they were sharing prize money anyways.

I didn't follow any bw, so can any bw people talk about the prize sharing money b/w teammates that was common in bw in case I got what my friend said wrong?
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
Lord_J
Profile Joined April 2011
Kenya1085 Posts
November 17 2011 00:09 GMT
#1824
Walkovers are common in the early rounds of these weeklies, so if the point was to "fix" the match, then CoCa could have just not played, Byun would have advanced, and nobody would have given it a second thought. With that in mind, I have to agree with those that find the reaction to this incident somewhat disproportionate.
No relation to Monsieur J.
McFeser
Profile Joined July 2011
United States2458 Posts
November 17 2011 00:11 GMT
#1825
On November 17 2011 09:09 Lord_J wrote:
Walkovers are common in the early rounds of these weeklies, so if the point was to "fix" the match, then CoCa could have just not played, Byun would have advanced, and nobody would have given it a second thought. With that in mind, I have to agree with those that find the reaction to this incident somewhat disproportionate.

He was trying to practive against Terrans but's it kind of hard to gauge what Coca wanted out of this. He might have just wanted a third game with Byun.
Promethelax still hasn't changed his quote
Zvek
Profile Joined November 2011
Faroe Islands102 Posts
November 17 2011 00:13 GMT
#1826
Oh Coca. This is just sad. What did Slayers say about this
rblstr
Profile Joined February 2011
Ireland398 Posts
November 17 2011 00:15 GMT
#1827
On November 17 2011 09:11 McFeser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 09:09 Lord_J wrote:
Walkovers are common in the early rounds of these weeklies, so if the point was to "fix" the match, then CoCa could have just not played, Byun would have advanced, and nobody would have given it a second thought. With that in mind, I have to agree with those that find the reaction to this incident somewhat disproportionate.

He was trying to practive against Terrans but's it kind of hard to gauge what Coca wanted out of this. He might have just wanted a third game with Byun.


Again, he clearly said in the in game chat that he wanted to go to a game 3 to get more practice and didn't mind forfeiting because his next opponent was protoss, who he didn't need to practice for.
Kazuki
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands121 Posts
November 17 2011 00:16 GMT
#1828
I would like to hear something from CoCa himself Or Byun for that matter.
everyone
Profile Joined February 2011
United States91 Posts
November 17 2011 00:24 GMT
#1829
I'm mad that this removes another Zerg from Code S. Coca was probably going to advance from the group too. I love watching him play.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
November 17 2011 00:33 GMT
#1830
This is incredibly absurd. Why would someone announce that they are purposely fixing their matches?
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Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
November 17 2011 00:34 GMT
#1831
On November 17 2011 08:25 Pangpootata wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 01:06 windsupernova wrote:
On November 16 2011 21:20 Pangpootata wrote:
On November 16 2011 21:00 Oktyabr wrote:
On November 16 2011 20:45 gulati wrote:
This is the Korean Weekly. This isn't an MLG or IPL, sorry to say. The reaction from people trying to white-knight eSports and the internet is wildly perplexing. Calm the fuck down, they are young kids who are jokingly talking in-game. So what if he said lets do another game. Isn't there a reason why the community recognizes "Major Tournaments" versus "Online Tournaments"?

People don't understand the severity of certain issues. Stephano's contract situation is a severe issue, since it's a precedent for eSports and strengthening it. Protecting this, aka, saying Coca was wrong, is hurting eSports, because you are essentially removing the human element from the game, and causing robotic interference. At this rate, just fucking ban chat in general.

Disgraceful by all parties who concur that Coca acted in a poor fashion. He did nothing to cause me to believe he is not a professional; maybe if he acted like this at a "major lan event", then I would concur. However, as it stands, anybody who dissents seriously needs to re-think what example this is setting, because I can't see anything positive coming from having KeSPA 2.0 essentially.


So what's the lower limit on an event? What does it depend on? The prizepool and the viewership? Essentially if it's low enough you can fuck around with its integrity, right?

Guess which team is Coca on? Guess what does the founder actually believe in? It's not at all hard to see why Korean netizens want to nail the two of them to a cross already. This is the best possible outcome for Coca, the alternative being him leaving Slayers and joining a foreigner team.


Haha. The founder of Coca's team is someone who makes use of loopholes in rules and game exploits to win (refer to allied mines incident). Coca exploiting an unwritten rule to lose is actually less bad than doing so to win.


Except that when he used them there was no rule against that. So your comparision makes no sense at all

There is no rule saying you must play your best and cannot lose purposely. Justin and co were breaking the law for illegal betting. But what coca did was not against any law whatsoever.

Which is why you'll note there are no legal penalties against him.

There are, however, team penalties, because his actions were contrary to the spirit and image of Slayers.
ohampatu
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1448 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 00:46:10
November 17 2011 00:42 GMT
#1832
Alot of you people crack me up.

Losing his GSL spot is fucking stupid.
Getting kicked off of A team is fucking stupid.
Being made to leave the teamhouse is fucking stupid.


This was a spur of the moment thing. Do you know how many fucking pro's do this? Like mentioned above there have been games where people 'tried to loose' on purpose, so as not to play Sen. This shit happens all the time, and prolly to a bigger degree than most of you imagine, yet none of them get in trouble.

Coca does not deserve this. This is possibly life changing or life ruining to him. If i was Boxer, the 'EMPEROR' i would scold and apply the correct punishment, then show him how to be more like the 'EMPEROR'.

Because of how fucking stupid Slayers overreacted, Prime now has to be just as harsh on Byun. This is a SAD SAD day for esports. Punishments need to fit the crime. Dont make an 'example' out of a person by fucking ruining a kids life. Some of you would say this isn't the case. But he is a progamer, he just lost his fucking job pretty much.

I wish i could meet Boxer in person so i could tell him that he is now '-1' in my book for how he handled this. This is not the honorable or correct way to handle this situation. If fucking saddens me. Coca has the best zvp in the world. And now he just got turned into a nobody for how many months?



edit: Im not saying that they dont need to be punished. Ban from ESV. Do something like other sports do, like sitting out for a extended time. In Basketball, if a person gets a MIP or something like that. They are made to sit out 5 games in a row (sometimes this is 2+ months). Ban the players from GSTL for 2 months or something. Dont ruin their fucking lives over a petty thing such as this, that happens all the time. The dude who 'matchfixed' against WhiteRa was praised a fucking hero. Koreans piss me off so much sometimes with the way they handle shit.
I am become death, for I am the destroyer of worlds.....You will be missed KT Violet!!!
Silidons
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2813 Posts
November 17 2011 00:47 GMT
#1833
His punishment is really really really dumb. He wanted to give a friend a win because Coca already had a Code S spot so the Code A spot wasn't up for grabs for him. If Coca won the tournament I bet everyone would have thought he was a dick because then there would be some other mean for getting the spot (maybe 2nd place, I don't know). He was actually being a true professional because he was being very courteous to his fellow player and did not want to be an asshole to him. What's more professional than feeling sorry for a fellow player and friend because you know if you win you gain nothing?
"God fights on the side with the best artillery." - Napoleon Bonaparte
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 00:49:58
November 17 2011 00:49 GMT
#1834
On November 17 2011 09:42 ohampatu wrote:
Alot of you people crack me up.

Losing his GSL spot is fucking stupid.
Getting kicked off of A team is fucking stupid.
Being made to leave the teamhouse is fucking stupid.


This was a spur of the moment thing. Do you know how many fucking pro's do this? Like mentioned above there have been games where people 'tried to loose' on purpose, so as not to play Sen. This shit happens all the time, and prolly to a bigger degree than most of you imagine, yet none of them get in trouble.

Coca does not deserve this. This is possibly life changing or life ruining to him. If i was Boxer, the 'EMPEROR' i would scold and apply the correct punishment, then show him how to be more like the 'EMPEROR'.

Because of how fucking stupid Slayers overreacted, Prime now has to be just as harsh on Byun. This is a SAD SAD day for esports. Punishments need to fit the crime. Dont make an 'example' out of a person by fucking ruining a kids life. Some of you would say this isn't the case. But he is a progamer, he just lost his fucking job pretty much.

I wish i could meet Boxer in person so i could tell him that he is now '-1' in my book for how he handled this. This is not the honorable or correct way to handle this situation. If fucking saddens me. Coca has the best zvp in the world. And now he just got turned into a nobody for how many months?


edit: Im not saying that they dont need to be punished. Ban from ESV. Do something like other sports do, like sitting out for a extended time. In Basketball, if a person gets a MIP or something like that. They are made to sit out 5 games in a row (sometimes this is 2+ months). Ban the players from GSTL for 2 months or something. Dont ruin their fucking lives over a petty thing such as this, that happens all the time. The dude who 'matchfixed' against WhiteRa was praised a fucking hero. Koreans piss me off so much sometimes with the way they handle shit.


Have you seen how serious match fixing has been taken by other sports? If not check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Match_fixing

I think if you are a professional progamer, you better act like one. BoxeR and Jessica did the right thing.
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
ohampatu
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1448 Posts
November 17 2011 00:49 GMT
#1835
On November 17 2011 09:47 Silidons wrote:
His punishment is really really really dumb. He wanted to give a friend a win because Coca already had a Code S spot so the Code A spot wasn't up for grabs for him. If Coca won the tournament I bet everyone would have thought he was a dick because then there would be some other mean for getting the spot (maybe 2nd place, I don't know). He was actually being a true professional because he was being very courteous to his fellow player and did not want to be an asshole to him. What's more professional than feeling sorry for a fellow player and friend because you know if you win you gain nothing?



Your spot on. But he didn't 'want to give a friend a win'. He wanted more practice against T was all. All he wanted was a game 3. He didn't want to 'lose on purpose'. He wanted a full set.
I am become death, for I am the destroyer of worlds.....You will be missed KT Violet!!!
xXFireandIceXx
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada4296 Posts
November 17 2011 00:52 GMT
#1836
On November 17 2011 09:42 ohampatu wrote:
Alot of you people crack me up.

Losing his GSL spot is fucking stupid.
Getting kicked off of A team is fucking stupid.
Being made to leave the teamhouse is fucking stupid.


This was a spur of the moment thing. Do you know how many fucking pro's do this? Like mentioned above there have been games where people 'tried to loose' on purpose, so as not to play Sen. This shit happens all the time, and prolly to a bigger degree than most of you imagine, yet none of them get in trouble.

Coca does not deserve this. This is possibly life changing or life ruining to him. If i was Boxer, the 'EMPEROR' i would scold and apply the correct punishment, then show him how to be more like the 'EMPEROR'.

Because of how fucking stupid Slayers overreacted, Prime now has to be just as harsh on Byun. This is a SAD SAD day for esports. Punishments need to fit the crime. Dont make an 'example' out of a person by fucking ruining a kids life. Some of you would say this isn't the case. But he is a progamer, he just lost his fucking job pretty much.

I wish i could meet Boxer in person so i could tell him that he is now '-1' in my book for how he handled this. This is not the honorable or correct way to handle this situation. If fucking saddens me. Coca has the best zvp in the world. And now he just got turned into a nobody for how many months?



edit: Im not saying that they dont need to be punished. Ban from ESV. Do something like other sports do, like sitting out for a extended time. In Basketball, if a person gets a MIP or something like that. They are made to sit out 5 games in a row (sometimes this is 2+ months). Ban the players from GSTL for 2 months or something. Dont ruin their fucking lives over a petty thing such as this, that happens all the time. The dude who 'matchfixed' against WhiteRa was praised a fucking hero. Koreans piss me off so much sometimes with the way they handle shit.


You do know he's not fired right? You do know that's he's only been sent away to self-reflect? You do know that he still has a career right? Honestly, he hasn't been fired from Slayers.
ohampatu
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1448 Posts
November 17 2011 00:52 GMT
#1837
On November 17 2011 09:49 eYeball wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 09:42 ohampatu wrote:
Alot of you people crack me up.

Losing his GSL spot is fucking stupid.
Getting kicked off of A team is fucking stupid.
Being made to leave the teamhouse is fucking stupid.


This was a spur of the moment thing. Do you know how many fucking pro's do this? Like mentioned above there have been games where people 'tried to loose' on purpose, so as not to play Sen. This shit happens all the time, and prolly to a bigger degree than most of you imagine, yet none of them get in trouble.

Coca does not deserve this. This is possibly life changing or life ruining to him. If i was Boxer, the 'EMPEROR' i would scold and apply the correct punishment, then show him how to be more like the 'EMPEROR'.

Because of how fucking stupid Slayers overreacted, Prime now has to be just as harsh on Byun. This is a SAD SAD day for esports. Punishments need to fit the crime. Dont make an 'example' out of a person by fucking ruining a kids life. Some of you would say this isn't the case. But he is a progamer, he just lost his fucking job pretty much.

I wish i could meet Boxer in person so i could tell him that he is now '-1' in my book for how he handled this. This is not the honorable or correct way to handle this situation. If fucking saddens me. Coca has the best zvp in the world. And now he just got turned into a nobody for how many months?


edit: Im not saying that they dont need to be punished. Ban from ESV. Do something like other sports do, like sitting out for a extended time. In Basketball, if a person gets a MIP or something like that. They are made to sit out 5 games in a row (sometimes this is 2+ months). Ban the players from GSTL for 2 months or something. Dont ruin their fucking lives over a petty thing such as this, that happens all the time. The dude who 'matchfixed' against WhiteRa was praised a fucking hero. Koreans piss me off so much sometimes with the way they handle shit.


Have you seen how serious match fixing has been taken by other sports? If not check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Match_fixing

I think if you are a professional progamer, you better act like one. BoxeR and Jessica did the right thing.



THIS IS NOT FUCKING MATCHFIXING. You didn't see anybody fucking DQ WhiteRa since his opponent lost 2 games in a row on purpose. He was praised a hero. All coca wanted was a game 3. Do you know how many fucking pro's throw a game to get to the next match because they dont like the map? ALOT OF THEM. It happens daily. These 2 just said something in chat so that makes them worse than every other person who does that? I mean shit, pro's actually plan around the maps they will be playing. I dont care what you thing really if you think Coca deserves this. Its pathetic.
I am become death, for I am the destroyer of worlds.....You will be missed KT Violet!!!
ohampatu
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1448 Posts
November 17 2011 00:54 GMT
#1838
On November 17 2011 09:52 xXFireandIceXx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 09:42 ohampatu wrote:
Alot of you people crack me up.

Losing his GSL spot is fucking stupid.
Getting kicked off of A team is fucking stupid.
Being made to leave the teamhouse is fucking stupid.


This was a spur of the moment thing. Do you know how many fucking pro's do this? Like mentioned above there have been games where people 'tried to loose' on purpose, so as not to play Sen. This shit happens all the time, and prolly to a bigger degree than most of you imagine, yet none of them get in trouble.

Coca does not deserve this. This is possibly life changing or life ruining to him. If i was Boxer, the 'EMPEROR' i would scold and apply the correct punishment, then show him how to be more like the 'EMPEROR'.

Because of how fucking stupid Slayers overreacted, Prime now has to be just as harsh on Byun. This is a SAD SAD day for esports. Punishments need to fit the crime. Dont make an 'example' out of a person by fucking ruining a kids life. Some of you would say this isn't the case. But he is a progamer, he just lost his fucking job pretty much.

I wish i could meet Boxer in person so i could tell him that he is now '-1' in my book for how he handled this. This is not the honorable or correct way to handle this situation. If fucking saddens me. Coca has the best zvp in the world. And now he just got turned into a nobody for how many months?



edit: Im not saying that they dont need to be punished. Ban from ESV. Do something like other sports do, like sitting out for a extended time. In Basketball, if a person gets a MIP or something like that. They are made to sit out 5 games in a row (sometimes this is 2+ months). Ban the players from GSTL for 2 months or something. Dont ruin their fucking lives over a petty thing such as this, that happens all the time. The dude who 'matchfixed' against WhiteRa was praised a fucking hero. Koreans piss me off so much sometimes with the way they handle shit.


You do know he's not fired right? You do know that's he's only been sent away to self-reflect? You do know that he still has a career right? Honestly, he hasn't been fired from Slayers.



Kicked off A-Team. Forced to leave house. Forced to not play any tournaments indefintely. The fact that he didn't leave the team, which is what i woulda done if my managers were that stupid, shows he is honorable. . He has to start from the fucking bottom again, and can't even start till SlayerS says so.
I am become death, for I am the destroyer of worlds.....You will be missed KT Violet!!!
Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
November 17 2011 00:56 GMT
#1839
On November 17 2011 09:49 ohampatu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 09:47 Silidons wrote:
His punishment is really really really dumb. He wanted to give a friend a win because Coca already had a Code S spot so the Code A spot wasn't up for grabs for him. If Coca won the tournament I bet everyone would have thought he was a dick because then there would be some other mean for getting the spot (maybe 2nd place, I don't know). He was actually being a true professional because he was being very courteous to his fellow player and did not want to be an asshole to him. What's more professional than feeling sorry for a fellow player and friend because you know if you win you gain nothing?



Your spot on. But he didn't 'want to give a friend a win'. He wanted more practice against T was all. All he wanted was a game 3. He didn't want to 'lose on purpose'. He wanted a full set.

Doesn't matter if 'a full set' is directly achieved by giving away the win in game 2. If letting his opponent win was incidental (ie: forfeit playing in a tournament due to scheduling, goal of freeing up practice time) it can be considered differently, but here his goal is directly brought about by losing on purpose, and thus he can be held accountable.
Dragonmaster26
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia311 Posts
November 17 2011 00:57 GMT
#1840
On November 17 2011 09:42 ohampatu wrote:
Alot of you people crack me up.

Losing his GSL spot is fucking stupid.
Getting kicked off of A team is fucking stupid.
Being made to leave the teamhouse is fucking stupid.


This was a spur of the moment thing. Do you know how many fucking pro's do this? Like mentioned above there have been games where people 'tried to loose' on purpose, so as not to play Sen. This shit happens all the time, and prolly to a bigger degree than most of you imagine, yet none of them get in trouble.

Coca does not deserve this. This is possibly life changing or life ruining to him. If i was Boxer, the 'EMPEROR' i would scold and apply the correct punishment, then show him how to be more like the 'EMPEROR'.

Because of how fucking stupid Slayers overreacted, Prime now has to be just as harsh on Byun. This is a SAD SAD day for esports. Punishments need to fit the crime. Dont make an 'example' out of a person by fucking ruining a kids life. Some of you would say this isn't the case. But he is a progamer, he just lost his fucking job pretty much.

I wish i could meet Boxer in person so i could tell him that he is now '-1' in my book for how he handled this. This is not the honorable or correct way to handle this situation. If fucking saddens me. Coca has the best zvp in the world. And now he just got turned into a nobody for how many months?



edit: Im not saying that they dont need to be punished. Ban from ESV. Do something like other sports do, like sitting out for a extended time. In Basketball, if a person gets a MIP or something like that. They are made to sit out 5 games in a row (sometimes this is 2+ months). Ban the players from GSTL for 2 months or something. Dont ruin their fucking lives over a petty thing such as this, that happens all the time. The dude who 'matchfixed' against WhiteRa was praised a fucking hero. Koreans piss me off so much sometimes with the way they handle shit.


Yeah I agree with you completely. Koreans need to learn to swallow their pride once in a while because too much pride leads to unprofessionalism. Sure CoCa is a Korean progamer but he's playing in an international tournament (GSL). Obviously Korea is going to get a mixed response to their actions and that ruins e-sports more than some unintentional 'match fixing'. I highly disagree with SlayerS and Gom's response to this. They really need to learn to swallow their pride and treat everyone fairly. Everyone makes mistakes like these but going overboard about it is what makes matters worse.



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