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On November 16 2011 02:47 ftd.rain wrote:
CoCa probably didn't even think too much about it, I mean, they discussed this in the open chat ffs, it's not like they are retards(as some are trying to imply with their "brain fart" talk) thinking that no one is gonna understand what they are saying or something along the lines, more like they didn't think it was that big of a deal to do that stuff, if I was CoCa I'd leave Slayers with my head held high and keep my Code S spot since I was just trying to help a friend gaining absolutely no benefits from it.
I doubt that would work , you can't burn bridge in Korea like you can in the foreign scene. His reputation would take even a bigger hit.
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On November 16 2011 02:48 Zoler wrote:
So when Idra leaves a game he's gonna win it's ok but here it's totally wrong?
I'm confused LOL
Yeah, you're definitely confused. Every time IdrA has gg'ed early (even the famous ones like against MMA or HuK at MLG), he's explained why that is. And it's never been because he wanted to throw the match on purpose to give his opponent an auto-win and break the rules of a tournament. It's always been because he truly believed he was too far behind to make a comeback, and he didn't want his mentality to be broken down for the next game. Whether he was actually behind or not is irrelevant (he's often been fooled); he's always been sincere in that respect.
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Someone please talk to CoCa and get him out of Slayers, his career will fall into oblivion very easily if he follows this up, the qualifiers for code A are only gonna get harder and harder and if he accepts to be cast aside it will damper everything including his training (since he got kicked to team B), who knows if he's ever gonna get back to the top? If I owned a big team I would instantly invite him with no second thoughts, all he needed here was a reminder.
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On November 16 2011 02:53 TheToast wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 02:46 Oktyabr wrote:On November 16 2011 02:44 TheToast wrote:
I'm with the people in this thread that thinks this is a complete overreation. One stupid thing should not be able to end your career forever. It was a small tournament (not saying this makes it right, but certainly less severe) and it was done with best of intentions, he wasn't fixing matches to get rich. Still wrong but the punishment needs to be proportional.
Punish him monetarily for the incident? Yes
Suspend him from a season of GSL? Reasonable
Cast him out of the SC2 scene forever and destroy his career? Seriously, wtf.
What? He's free to requalfiy through Code B. Where's the destroyed career? Show nested quote +Furthermore, he no longer is part of Slayers A team and will practice out of the Slayers house.
Coca won't participate in any tournament, offline or online, until Slayers team decides his "mentality" as a pro is ready for Maybe not destroyed, but by the time he is allowed to come back (likely after everyone forgets about this in 6 months to a year) I forsee him being drastically out of practice. Not to mention he will have this stigma with him for a long time, my guess is that many smaller Korean tournaments will not be extending invites to him. His career is maybe not destroyed, but it has been heavily damaged.
No, he will return in case Boxer deems him worthy again. Like every other A-teamer on Slayers has to prove himself.
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Well, there was no reason at all to throw this. If he didn't want to win he shouldn't have entered the fucking tournament.
But on the other hand, I think being pulled from code S and kicked out of the house is overreacting a bit. One or the other? Maybe they're just trying to come across hardass about it to make sure nobody tries anything like it in the future, since it is a pretty bad thing to have happen.
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On November 16 2011 03:02 ThaZenith wrote:
Well, there was no reason at all to throw this. If he didn't want to win he shouldn't have entered the fucking tournament.
But on the other hand, I think being pulled from code S and kicked out of the house is overreacting a bit. One or the other? Maybe they're just trying to come across hardass about it to make sure nobody tries anything like it in the future, since it is a pretty bad thing to have happen.
He entered the tournament to train against terran, because he has terran opponents in GSL. Slayrs had no terran practice partners available. Forfaiting the game also allowed him to play a third game against a terran opponent.
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On November 16 2011 02:56 Condor Hero wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 02:51 ftd.rain wrote:On November 16 2011 02:49 Condor Hero wrote:On November 16 2011 02:44 MrTortoise wrote:On November 16 2011 02:38 Condor Hero wrote:On November 16 2011 02:33 MrTortoise wrote:On November 16 2011 02:30 Condor Hero wrote:On November 16 2011 02:08 Emma Watson wrote:
Extremely disappointed in Boxer. As the wise mentor of team Slayers you would expect him to be strict, but also to be lenient and forgiving. Handing out such harsh punishment to a kid like Coca....I don't know, I imagined Boxer to be a White-Ra/Gandalf-like person who takes the context of Coca's actions into account and judges accordingly.
Boxer's reaction to this whole thing was equivalent to a overly eager dad who catches his son stealing a candybar and proceeds to beat the shit out of him, so the other parents don't think he is a bad father.
I am a social worker myself and let me tell you this: Kids make mistakes, your job as an adult is make sure that they learn from it by giving them second chances. And lets be clear: Coca's actions were well-intentioned, but he chose the wrong way to go about it.
What the fuck are you talking about? Do you have any idea what Boxer and other people gave up for progaming to be a legitimate career? Esports was sold on the passion of the players and fans. Nobody gives a shit that Coca is a "kid." He's a progamer on Slayers so he should be counted on to be professional. aww did your parents and teachers give you a hard time? the point is that kids are not able to undesrtand the consequences of their actions - in fact a lot of adults cant either (which is fueling some interesting legal debates). As such punishment that could seriously damage their improvement and progression does nobody any favors. What if one of these kids coul dof been the next boxer ... but did something stupid and met the anger of all othe other people out there that are pissed off at life and want to see someone crucified to make them feel better? He's not asked to make a life decision. In that specific instance he was a professional gamer competing in a professional competition (small and minor maybe, but still organized). Exactly what part of that do you think is confusing? Think about competition. How is anyone supposed to watch SC2 if they have to be suspicious anytime teammates or friends are playing each other? For this reason, I got no problem with people being cheesy as fuck because as a spectator I want to watch two players try everything they possibly can to win. That's the entire purpose of any tournament. Btw Coca probably accepted his punishment voluntarily. If not he can just leave Slayers and still compete in GSL on his own. Well actually EVERY decision is a life decision. I agree with the punishment but i just dont think it shuold kill his career because he is a dumbass briefly. 17/18 is still a kid tbh. His punishment will not kill his career. The only thing he gave up was his Code S spot (which is less valuable than before, but still hard to get into Code A). Boxer is basically making sure the fans know that Coca is being punished but he's got a free pass to come back when the team thinks he's ready (likely a few months after the angry people calm down). I see more people angry at the harsh punishment than the other way around. No offense but most of these people are new SC2 people who got no idea what they're talking about, including you. Your argument that "he was JUST trying to help a friend" is pure garbage. The point of a competition is to show your skill and try your best to win. Coca treated it like a joke and despite how he had nothing to gain it is still match-fixing. Any hint of match-fixing in Korea esports will bring down the hammer so don't be surprised.
"Including you" my ass, be more careful when throwing your elitist garbage around, I know enough about the sAvioR issue and I'm also high masters, you on the other hand are probably new.
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On November 16 2011 03:02 ThaZenith wrote:
Well, there was no reason at all to throw this. If he didn't want to win he shouldn't have entered the fucking tournament.
But on the other hand, I think being pulled from code S and kicked out of the house is overreacting a bit. One or the other? Maybe they're just trying to come across hardass about it to make sure nobody tries anything like it in the future, since it is a pretty bad thing to have happen.
Keep in mind it's Slayers we are talking about. Living space is scarce and demand is high. It's a damn privilege to be an A-teamer there. And with every privilege, it has to be earned
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On November 16 2011 02:59 s3rp wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 02:47 ftd.rain wrote:
CoCa probably didn't even think too much about it, I mean, they discussed this in the open chat ffs, it's not like they are retards(as some are trying to imply with their "brain fart" talk) thinking that no one is gonna understand what they are saying or something along the lines, more like they didn't think it was that big of a deal to do that stuff, if I was CoCa I'd leave Slayers with my head held high and keep my Code S spot since I was just trying to help a friend gaining absolutely no benefits from it. I doubt that would work , you can't burn bridge in Korea like you can in the foreign scene. His reputation would take even a bigger hit.
well i think most forgien teams would take him wiht open hands!
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On November 16 2011 03:07 ftd.rain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 02:56 Condor Hero wrote:On November 16 2011 02:51 ftd.rain wrote:On November 16 2011 02:49 Condor Hero wrote:On November 16 2011 02:44 MrTortoise wrote:On November 16 2011 02:38 Condor Hero wrote:On November 16 2011 02:33 MrTortoise wrote:On November 16 2011 02:30 Condor Hero wrote:On November 16 2011 02:08 Emma Watson wrote:
Extremely disappointed in Boxer. As the wise mentor of team Slayers you would expect him to be strict, but also to be lenient and forgiving. Handing out such harsh punishment to a kid like Coca....I don't know, I imagined Boxer to be a White-Ra/Gandalf-like person who takes the context of Coca's actions into account and judges accordingly.
Boxer's reaction to this whole thing was equivalent to a overly eager dad who catches his son stealing a candybar and proceeds to beat the shit out of him, so the other parents don't think he is a bad father.
I am a social worker myself and let me tell you this: Kids make mistakes, your job as an adult is make sure that they learn from it by giving them second chances. And lets be clear: Coca's actions were well-intentioned, but he chose the wrong way to go about it.
What the fuck are you talking about? Do you have any idea what Boxer and other people gave up for progaming to be a legitimate career? Esports was sold on the passion of the players and fans. Nobody gives a shit that Coca is a "kid." He's a progamer on Slayers so he should be counted on to be professional. aww did your parents and teachers give you a hard time? the point is that kids are not able to undesrtand the consequences of their actions - in fact a lot of adults cant either (which is fueling some interesting legal debates). As such punishment that could seriously damage their improvement and progression does nobody any favors. What if one of these kids coul dof been the next boxer ... but did something stupid and met the anger of all othe other people out there that are pissed off at life and want to see someone crucified to make them feel better? He's not asked to make a life decision. In that specific instance he was a professional gamer competing in a professional competition (small and minor maybe, but still organized). Exactly what part of that do you think is confusing? Think about competition. How is anyone supposed to watch SC2 if they have to be suspicious anytime teammates or friends are playing each other? For this reason, I got no problem with people being cheesy as fuck because as a spectator I want to watch two players try everything they possibly can to win. That's the entire purpose of any tournament. Btw Coca probably accepted his punishment voluntarily. If not he can just leave Slayers and still compete in GSL on his own. Well actually EVERY decision is a life decision. I agree with the punishment but i just dont think it shuold kill his career because he is a dumbass briefly. 17/18 is still a kid tbh. His punishment will not kill his career. The only thing he gave up was his Code S spot (which is less valuable than before, but still hard to get into Code A). Boxer is basically making sure the fans know that Coca is being punished but he's got a free pass to come back when the team thinks he's ready (likely a few months after the angry people calm down). I see more people angry at the harsh punishment than the other way around. No offense but most of these people are new SC2 people who got no idea what they're talking about, including you. Your argument that "he was JUST trying to help a friend" is pure garbage. The point of a competition is to show your skill and try your best to win. Coca treated it like a joke and despite how he had nothing to gain it is still match-fixing. Any hint of match-fixing in Korea esports will bring down the hammer so don't be surprised. "Including you" my ass, be more careful when throwing your elitist garbage around, I know enough about the sAvioR issue and I'm also high masters, you on the other hand are probably new.
My league is irrelevant, I'm not new, and I am an "elitist."
Your opinion is still garbage if you think Coca should be given a slap on the wrist.
Btw it's hard for someone to be both new and elitist.
I'm my experience you need time to be an elitist.
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Clearly this is wrong to fix a match but when i think about it from my own perspective and i hvae a friend ive known for a long time i might forfieit a match for him simply cuz it changes nothing for me
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and i think being forced to forfeit his code s spot is a bit severe as well atleast code s is easier to break into now
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On November 16 2011 03:07 ftd.rain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 02:56 Condor Hero wrote:On November 16 2011 02:51 ftd.rain wrote:On November 16 2011 02:49 Condor Hero wrote:On November 16 2011 02:44 MrTortoise wrote:On November 16 2011 02:38 Condor Hero wrote:On November 16 2011 02:33 MrTortoise wrote:On November 16 2011 02:30 Condor Hero wrote:On November 16 2011 02:08 Emma Watson wrote:
Extremely disappointed in Boxer. As the wise mentor of team Slayers you would expect him to be strict, but also to be lenient and forgiving. Handing out such harsh punishment to a kid like Coca....I don't know, I imagined Boxer to be a White-Ra/Gandalf-like person who takes the context of Coca's actions into account and judges accordingly.
Boxer's reaction to this whole thing was equivalent to a overly eager dad who catches his son stealing a candybar and proceeds to beat the shit out of him, so the other parents don't think he is a bad father.
I am a social worker myself and let me tell you this: Kids make mistakes, your job as an adult is make sure that they learn from it by giving them second chances. And lets be clear: Coca's actions were well-intentioned, but he chose the wrong way to go about it.
What the fuck are you talking about? Do you have any idea what Boxer and other people gave up for progaming to be a legitimate career? Esports was sold on the passion of the players and fans. Nobody gives a shit that Coca is a "kid." He's a progamer on Slayers so he should be counted on to be professional. aww did your parents and teachers give you a hard time? the point is that kids are not able to undesrtand the consequences of their actions - in fact a lot of adults cant either (which is fueling some interesting legal debates). As such punishment that could seriously damage their improvement and progression does nobody any favors. What if one of these kids coul dof been the next boxer ... but did something stupid and met the anger of all othe other people out there that are pissed off at life and want to see someone crucified to make them feel better? He's not asked to make a life decision. In that specific instance he was a professional gamer competing in a professional competition (small and minor maybe, but still organized). Exactly what part of that do you think is confusing? Think about competition. How is anyone supposed to watch SC2 if they have to be suspicious anytime teammates or friends are playing each other? For this reason, I got no problem with people being cheesy as fuck because as a spectator I want to watch two players try everything they possibly can to win. That's the entire purpose of any tournament. Btw Coca probably accepted his punishment voluntarily. If not he can just leave Slayers and still compete in GSL on his own. Well actually EVERY decision is a life decision. I agree with the punishment but i just dont think it shuold kill his career because he is a dumbass briefly. 17/18 is still a kid tbh. His punishment will not kill his career. The only thing he gave up was his Code S spot (which is less valuable than before, but still hard to get into Code A). Boxer is basically making sure the fans know that Coca is being punished but he's got a free pass to come back when the team thinks he's ready (likely a few months after the angry people calm down). I see more people angry at the harsh punishment than the other way around. No offense but most of these people are new SC2 people who got no idea what they're talking about, including you. Your argument that "he was JUST trying to help a friend" is pure garbage. The point of a competition is to show your skill and try your best to win. Coca treated it like a joke and despite how he had nothing to gain it is still match-fixing. Any hint of match-fixing in Korea esports will bring down the hammer so don't be surprised. "Including you" my ass, be more careful when throwing your elitist garbage around, I know enough about the sAvioR issue and I'm also high masters, you on the other hand are probably new.
What the hell does your league have anything to do with this haha?
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On November 16 2011 03:16 Condor Hero wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 03:07 ftd.rain wrote:On November 16 2011 02:56 Condor Hero wrote:On November 16 2011 02:51 ftd.rain wrote:On November 16 2011 02:49 Condor Hero wrote:On November 16 2011 02:44 MrTortoise wrote:On November 16 2011 02:38 Condor Hero wrote:On November 16 2011 02:33 MrTortoise wrote:On November 16 2011 02:30 Condor Hero wrote:On November 16 2011 02:08 Emma Watson wrote:
Extremely disappointed in Boxer. As the wise mentor of team Slayers you would expect him to be strict, but also to be lenient and forgiving. Handing out such harsh punishment to a kid like Coca....I don't know, I imagined Boxer to be a White-Ra/Gandalf-like person who takes the context of Coca's actions into account and judges accordingly.
Boxer's reaction to this whole thing was equivalent to a overly eager dad who catches his son stealing a candybar and proceeds to beat the shit out of him, so the other parents don't think he is a bad father.
I am a social worker myself and let me tell you this: Kids make mistakes, your job as an adult is make sure that they learn from it by giving them second chances. And lets be clear: Coca's actions were well-intentioned, but he chose the wrong way to go about it.
What the fuck are you talking about? Do you have any idea what Boxer and other people gave up for progaming to be a legitimate career? Esports was sold on the passion of the players and fans. Nobody gives a shit that Coca is a "kid." He's a progamer on Slayers so he should be counted on to be professional. aww did your parents and teachers give you a hard time? the point is that kids are not able to undesrtand the consequences of their actions - in fact a lot of adults cant either (which is fueling some interesting legal debates). As such punishment that could seriously damage their improvement and progression does nobody any favors. What if one of these kids coul dof been the next boxer ... but did something stupid and met the anger of all othe other people out there that are pissed off at life and want to see someone crucified to make them feel better? He's not asked to make a life decision. In that specific instance he was a professional gamer competing in a professional competition (small and minor maybe, but still organized). Exactly what part of that do you think is confusing? Think about competition. How is anyone supposed to watch SC2 if they have to be suspicious anytime teammates or friends are playing each other? For this reason, I got no problem with people being cheesy as fuck because as a spectator I want to watch two players try everything they possibly can to win. That's the entire purpose of any tournament. Btw Coca probably accepted his punishment voluntarily. If not he can just leave Slayers and still compete in GSL on his own. Well actually EVERY decision is a life decision. I agree with the punishment but i just dont think it shuold kill his career because he is a dumbass briefly. 17/18 is still a kid tbh. His punishment will not kill his career. The only thing he gave up was his Code S spot (which is less valuable than before, but still hard to get into Code A). Boxer is basically making sure the fans know that Coca is being punished but he's got a free pass to come back when the team thinks he's ready (likely a few months after the angry people calm down). I see more people angry at the harsh punishment than the other way around. No offense but most of these people are new SC2 people who got no idea what they're talking about, including you. Your argument that "he was JUST trying to help a friend" is pure garbage. The point of a competition is to show your skill and try your best to win. Coca treated it like a joke and despite how he had nothing to gain it is still match-fixing. Any hint of match-fixing in Korea esports will bring down the hammer so don't be surprised. "Including you" my ass, be more careful when throwing your elitist garbage around, I know enough about the sAvioR issue and I'm also high masters, you on the other hand are probably new. My league is irrelevant, I'm not new, and I am an "elitist." Your opinion is still garbage if you think Coca should be given a slap on the wrist. Btw it's hard for someone to be both new and elitist. I'm my experience you need time to be an elitist.
No, it actually isn't hard bronzie (only bronzies hide their league), they are called hypocrites, the world is full of them.
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On November 16 2011 03:21 ftd.rain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 03:16 Condor Hero wrote:On November 16 2011 03:07 ftd.rain wrote:On November 16 2011 02:56 Condor Hero wrote:On November 16 2011 02:51 ftd.rain wrote:On November 16 2011 02:49 Condor Hero wrote:On November 16 2011 02:44 MrTortoise wrote:On November 16 2011 02:38 Condor Hero wrote:On November 16 2011 02:33 MrTortoise wrote:On November 16 2011 02:30 Condor Hero wrote:
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What the fuck are you talking about?
Do you have any idea what Boxer and other people gave up for progaming to be a legitimate career?
Esports was sold on the passion of the players and fans.
Nobody gives a shit that Coca is a "kid." He's a progamer on Slayers so he should be counted on to be professional. aww did your parents and teachers give you a hard time? the point is that kids are not able to undesrtand the consequences of their actions - in fact a lot of adults cant either (which is fueling some interesting legal debates). As such punishment that could seriously damage their improvement and progression does nobody any favors. What if one of these kids coul dof been the next boxer ... but did something stupid and met the anger of all othe other people out there that are pissed off at life and want to see someone crucified to make them feel better? He's not asked to make a life decision. In that specific instance he was a professional gamer competing in a professional competition (small and minor maybe, but still organized). Exactly what part of that do you think is confusing? Think about competition. How is anyone supposed to watch SC2 if they have to be suspicious anytime teammates or friends are playing each other? For this reason, I got no problem with people being cheesy as fuck because as a spectator I want to watch two players try everything they possibly can to win. That's the entire purpose of any tournament. Btw Coca probably accepted his punishment voluntarily. If not he can just leave Slayers and still compete in GSL on his own. Well actually EVERY decision is a life decision. I agree with the punishment but i just dont think it shuold kill his career because he is a dumbass briefly. 17/18 is still a kid tbh. His punishment will not kill his career. The only thing he gave up was his Code S spot (which is less valuable than before, but still hard to get into Code A). Boxer is basically making sure the fans know that Coca is being punished but he's got a free pass to come back when the team thinks he's ready (likely a few months after the angry people calm down). I see more people angry at the harsh punishment than the other way around. No offense but most of these people are new SC2 people who got no idea what they're talking about, including you. Your argument that "he was JUST trying to help a friend" is pure garbage. The point of a competition is to show your skill and try your best to win. Coca treated it like a joke and despite how he had nothing to gain it is still match-fixing. Any hint of match-fixing in Korea esports will bring down the hammer so don't be surprised. "Including you" my ass, be more careful when throwing your elitist garbage around, I know enough about the sAvioR issue and I'm also high masters, you on the other hand are probably new. My league is irrelevant, I'm not new, and I am an "elitist." Your opinion is still garbage if you think Coca should be given a slap on the wrist. Btw it's hard for someone to be both new and elitist. I'm my experience you need time to be an elitist. No, it actually isn't hard bronzie (only bronzies hide their league), they are called hypocrites, the world is full of them.
My league is still irrelevant and you are apparently 12 years old who got a pass out of the B.net forums so I'm going to stop responding to you.
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On November 16 2011 03:20 sereniity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 03:07 ftd.rain wrote:On November 16 2011 02:56 Condor Hero wrote:On November 16 2011 02:51 ftd.rain wrote:On November 16 2011 02:49 Condor Hero wrote:On November 16 2011 02:44 MrTortoise wrote:On November 16 2011 02:38 Condor Hero wrote:On November 16 2011 02:33 MrTortoise wrote:On November 16 2011 02:30 Condor Hero wrote:On November 16 2011 02:08 Emma Watson wrote:
Extremely disappointed in Boxer. As the wise mentor of team Slayers you would expect him to be strict, but also to be lenient and forgiving. Handing out such harsh punishment to a kid like Coca....I don't know, I imagined Boxer to be a White-Ra/Gandalf-like person who takes the context of Coca's actions into account and judges accordingly.
Boxer's reaction to this whole thing was equivalent to a overly eager dad who catches his son stealing a candybar and proceeds to beat the shit out of him, so the other parents don't think he is a bad father.
I am a social worker myself and let me tell you this: Kids make mistakes, your job as an adult is make sure that they learn from it by giving them second chances. And lets be clear: Coca's actions were well-intentioned, but he chose the wrong way to go about it.
What the fuck are you talking about? Do you have any idea what Boxer and other people gave up for progaming to be a legitimate career? Esports was sold on the passion of the players and fans. Nobody gives a shit that Coca is a "kid." He's a progamer on Slayers so he should be counted on to be professional. aww did your parents and teachers give you a hard time? the point is that kids are not able to undesrtand the consequences of their actions - in fact a lot of adults cant either (which is fueling some interesting legal debates). As such punishment that could seriously damage their improvement and progression does nobody any favors. What if one of these kids coul dof been the next boxer ... but did something stupid and met the anger of all othe other people out there that are pissed off at life and want to see someone crucified to make them feel better? He's not asked to make a life decision. In that specific instance he was a professional gamer competing in a professional competition (small and minor maybe, but still organized). Exactly what part of that do you think is confusing? Think about competition. How is anyone supposed to watch SC2 if they have to be suspicious anytime teammates or friends are playing each other? For this reason, I got no problem with people being cheesy as fuck because as a spectator I want to watch two players try everything they possibly can to win. That's the entire purpose of any tournament. Btw Coca probably accepted his punishment voluntarily. If not he can just leave Slayers and still compete in GSL on his own. Well actually EVERY decision is a life decision. I agree with the punishment but i just dont think it shuold kill his career because he is a dumbass briefly. 17/18 is still a kid tbh. His punishment will not kill his career. The only thing he gave up was his Code S spot (which is less valuable than before, but still hard to get into Code A). Boxer is basically making sure the fans know that Coca is being punished but he's got a free pass to come back when the team thinks he's ready (likely a few months after the angry people calm down). I see more people angry at the harsh punishment than the other way around. No offense but most of these people are new SC2 people who got no idea what they're talking about, including you. Your argument that "he was JUST trying to help a friend" is pure garbage. The point of a competition is to show your skill and try your best to win. Coca treated it like a joke and despite how he had nothing to gain it is still match-fixing. Any hint of match-fixing in Korea esports will bring down the hammer so don't be surprised. "Including you" my ass, be more careful when throwing your elitist garbage around, I know enough about the sAvioR issue and I'm also high masters, you on the other hand are probably new. What the hell does your league have anything to do with this haha?
I mentioned my league because he spouted "new sc2 people who got no idea what they're talking about", which means that he either pissed on the entire sc2 player base that never played bw or just on the new ones in sc2 -which is why I mentioned my league - the latter should be the right interpretation given the lack of punctuation (what he meant should be written like " these new, sc2 people") but he actually just pissed on everyone.
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On November 16 2011 03:27 Condor Hero wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 03:21 ftd.rain wrote:On November 16 2011 03:16 Condor Hero wrote:On November 16 2011 03:07 ftd.rain wrote:On November 16 2011 02:56 Condor Hero wrote:On November 16 2011 02:51 ftd.rain wrote:On November 16 2011 02:49 Condor Hero wrote:On November 16 2011 02:44 MrTortoise wrote:On November 16 2011 02:38 Condor Hero wrote:On November 16 2011 02:33 MrTortoise wrote:
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aww did your parents and teachers give you a hard time?
the point is that kids are not able to undesrtand the consequences of their actions - in fact a lot of adults cant either (which is fueling some interesting legal debates). As such punishment that could seriously damage their improvement and progression does nobody any favors. What if one of these kids coul dof been the next boxer ... but did something stupid and met the anger of all othe other people out there that are pissed off at life and want to see someone crucified to make them feel better? He's not asked to make a life decision. In that specific instance he was a professional gamer competing in a professional competition (small and minor maybe, but still organized). Exactly what part of that do you think is confusing? Think about competition. How is anyone supposed to watch SC2 if they have to be suspicious anytime teammates or friends are playing each other? For this reason, I got no problem with people being cheesy as fuck because as a spectator I want to watch two players try everything they possibly can to win. That's the entire purpose of any tournament. Btw Coca probably accepted his punishment voluntarily. If not he can just leave Slayers and still compete in GSL on his own. Well actually EVERY decision is a life decision. I agree with the punishment but i just dont think it shuold kill his career because he is a dumbass briefly. 17/18 is still a kid tbh. His punishment will not kill his career. The only thing he gave up was his Code S spot (which is less valuable than before, but still hard to get into Code A). Boxer is basically making sure the fans know that Coca is being punished but he's got a free pass to come back when the team thinks he's ready (likely a few months after the angry people calm down). I see more people angry at the harsh punishment than the other way around. No offense but most of these people are new SC2 people who got no idea what they're talking about, including you. Your argument that "he was JUST trying to help a friend" is pure garbage. The point of a competition is to show your skill and try your best to win. Coca treated it like a joke and despite how he had nothing to gain it is still match-fixing. Any hint of match-fixing in Korea esports will bring down the hammer so don't be surprised. "Including you" my ass, be more careful when throwing your elitist garbage around, I know enough about the sAvioR issue and I'm also high masters, you on the other hand are probably new. My league is irrelevant, I'm not new, and I am an "elitist." Your opinion is still garbage if you think Coca should be given a slap on the wrist. Btw it's hard for someone to be both new and elitist. I'm my experience you need time to be an elitist. No, it actually isn't hard bronzie (only bronzies hide their league), they are called hypocrites, the world is full of them. My league is still irrelevant and you are apparently 12 years old who got a pass out of the B.net forums so I'm going to stop responding to you. How is that different from looking down on sc2 players(or being an elitist in general)?I'm just talking on your level, oh the hypocrisy.
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There is no such thing as "He is my friend so I left the game to help him". This is professional sport, you must play to win in every single tournament and defend your team's name. Coca must be happy that he is still on SlayerS team IMO.
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let em move on with a slap on the wrist (banned for X amount of time).
they're young, coca just wanted to help a brotha out.
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