EPTA Follow-Up Message from the IPL - Page 4
| Forum Index > SC2 General |
|
DKo
United States187 Posts
| ||
|
Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
| ||
|
Fandango
291 Posts
Good work on trying to sort out the phillipines mess! | ||
|
zakmaa
Canada525 Posts
| ||
|
Meteora.GB
Canada2479 Posts
I hope IPL continues to succeed, thrive and set a new bar of standard for the e-sports community. Thank you for your efforts. | ||
|
Wren
United States745 Posts
On November 10 2011 08:56 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Awesome! Absolutely awesome! I love the openness and how you have treated this all. Please keep it up! Sheth speaks the truth! Huge respect to how IGN has handled this travesty. | ||
|
LingBlingMuta
United States382 Posts
The $ involved would make it seem like if legal action were pursued it would be for the principle rather than the $. | ||
|
Philymaniz
United States177 Posts
| ||
|
iGX
Australia414 Posts
Gus, take note of OP. This is what a clarification post looks like. Precise and concise. | ||
|
MrSparkle
Canada135 Posts
| ||
|
rdcpohl
Canada188 Posts
Your openness in light of this situation is amazing! mad respect | ||
|
SarsFlu
32 Posts
Maybe I'm wrong, but if the event had been well run, I kind of think people would have attributed this to IPL, praising them for building up esports in SEA, even though the PPSL wasn't run by IGN. But instead, everything is going to hell, and a lot of people are out of money, whether its thegunrun footing the hotel bill, amanda booking plane tickets, numerous people not being paid for their work, and even all the people who paid for VIP passes, but received no VIP services. For the most part, these people do not have the resources, know how or power to do much of anything about it. I think we can all agree there is no fault to the sponsors beyond negligence in choosing who to sponsor, and legally, they probably do not owe anything more. However, I think they should accept responsibility for that negligence, and take care of the people who helped salvage an event that carried their name on it. Moreover, I would think that IGN or any of the other sponsors are better equipped to pursue reimbursement from Gus Ledesma than any of the people who have been cheated. I'm not saying IGN should take 100% of the liability. I'm sure each of the sponsors had agreements as to amounts of sponsorship and purposes for the money agreed upon, and hopefully they can get together and figure out if there are easy answers as to how to resolve the issues at hand. I just strongly believe they cannot leave the 'little people' (yeah, maybe a bit dramatic) stuck with the short end of the stick on this one. For a growing community such as our SC2 scene, we need the bigger organizations to step up and help out when things go wrong. I know there have been outcries on TL to raise funds to help amanda out in particular, but in reality that could get messy on many levels (so many countries, so many different currencies), and it would also be highly inefficient in terms of multiple small money transfers. If instead IGN took care of it, I think an SC2 community that already holds them in high regard, would be more than willing to further show their loyalty in the future, whether it be by signing up for a Prime account, or buying a shirt, or attending future events. Perhaps the budgeting issues involved with this would be greater than I understand, but I think the return on investment from TL members in the future would outclass whatever they'd have to spend here now. Sorry that was long, I just haven't seen this concern/opinion expressed, and I thought it needed to be thrown out there. | ||
|
InvXXVII
Canada242 Posts
| ||
|
Bobster
Germany3075 Posts
I hope this is not being seen as spiteful, but I hope you guys go after Gus with the help of IGN's legal department - the way he's been trying to dodge his responsibilities just pisses me off. | ||
|
JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
My personal expectation is that IPL distributes the remaining funds, and then give out additional support to the people who were shafted by this event. I don't expect them to do this right away since the matter of Gus should be dealt with first (after all, he has the other $7,000 from IPL and $2,000 from S2). On November 10 2011 12:07 InvXXVII wrote: Does anyone know what is happening with Clide and Amanda?? Clive* | ||
|
Bagration
United States18282 Posts
| ||
|
InvXXVII
Canada242 Posts
Oups Clive lol. Are they ok? | ||
|
SarsFlu
32 Posts
On November 10 2011 12:08 JinDesu wrote: I think they are showing some responsibility by stating that they will try to distribute the remaining funds to the appropriate parties. They do not have any presence in the Philippines, and I doubt they have the full story on what needs to be done there. It'd be completely unfair to expect them to swoop in like Superman and set everything right at this moment. My personal expectation is that IPL distributes the remaining funds, and then give out additional support to the people who were shafted by this event. I don't expect them to do this right away since the matter of Gus should be dealt with first (after all, he has the other $7,000 from IPL and $2,000 from S2). To be clear, obviously, the best solution is that Gus comes in and everything is settled properly. But in the case that he disappears and refuses to pay the money due, I just feel the next best answer is for IGN/other sponsors (I don't know to what extent twitch.tv, nvidia, razer, etc were sponsors) to actively take responsibility. I was concerned because as of now, (at least to my understanding) IGN has apologized, promised the players the event still would be counted as an IPL qualifier, and said they will still allocate the money they had already agreed to, but beyond that, the responsibility was on PPSL. I just hope they see that at this time, we need more from them. | ||
|
Sky101
United States1758 Posts
On November 10 2011 12:03 SarsFlu wrote: While I appreciate the candor and openness that IGN is showing, I don't feel a "We apologize and we'll still live up to our agreement" is enough in some regards. IGN not only sponsored the event, but made it an IPL Qualifier. To me that means some level of responsibility for problems at the event should be shouldered by IGN. Maybe I'm wrong, but if the event had been well run, I kind of think people would have attributed this to IPL, praising them for building up esports in SEA, even though the PPSL wasn't run by IGN. But instead, everything is going to hell, and a lot of people are out of money, whether its thegunrun footing the hotel bill, amanda booking plane tickets, numerous people not being paid for their work, and even all the people who paid for VIP passes, but received no VIP services. For the most part, these people do not have the resources, know how or power to do much of anything about it. I think we can all agree there is no fault to the sponsors beyond negligence in choosing who to sponsor, and legally, they probably do not owe anything more. However, I think they should accept responsibility for that negligence, and take care of the people who helped salvage an event that carried their name on it. Moreover, I would think that IGN or any of the other sponsors are better equipped to pursue reimbursement from Gus Ledesma than any of the people who have been cheated. I'm not saying IGN should take 100% of the liability. I'm sure each of the sponsors had agreements as to amounts of sponsorship and purposes for the money agreed upon, and hopefully they can get together and figure out if there are easy answers as to how to resolve the issues at hand. I just strongly believe they cannot leave the 'little people' (yeah, maybe a bit dramatic) stuck with the short end of the stick on this one. For a growing community such as our SC2 scene, we need the bigger organizations to step up and help out when things go wrong. I know there have been outcries on TL to raise funds to help amanda out in particular, but in reality that could get messy on many levels (so many countries, so many different currencies), and it would also be highly inefficient in terms of multiple small money transfers. If instead IGN took care of it, I think an SC2 community that already holds them in high regard, would be more than willing to further show their loyalty in the future, whether it be by signing up for a Prime account, or buying a shirt, or attending future events. Perhaps the budgeting issues involved with this would be greater than I understand, but I think the return on investment from TL members in the future would outclass whatever they'd have to spend here now. Sorry that was long, I just haven't seen this concern/opinion expressed, and I thought it needed to be thrown out there. Hi Gus </sarcasm> No! IGN does not have to do a thing more than what is already stated in their contract with PPSL. Just because they're a "big" corporation doesn't mean they have to throw money away to fix someone else's problems (Gus'). | ||
|
BooMeyMoMo
United States11 Posts
My last thought, not to bring up past BS after Alex has released this uplifting statement, is that I'm still wondering about the Gus and YoonYJ situation. As far as we all know, YoonYJ took 3rd place and was promised not only verbally, but a written contract, to be flown and accommodated for the regional qualifier. The posted conversations between Gus and YoonYJ clearly showed that Gus was dodging him and making every excuse in the book to not send him to the qualifier. Then we all know that Gus ended up sending Sickness after he adopted the AZK clan tag. Which is total horsesh!t. Now the question I have is AZKSickness innocent in all this, meaning... ~Did Gus just tell him "Hey Sickness, if you add our tag I can get you to the qualifier all expenses paid" or ~Did Sickness know that YoonYJ was getting screwed in this deal and he was in collusion with Gus. Depending on the answer to this would greatly affect my feelings on Sickness as a player/person and the whole AZK clan? If anybody knows any information I would love to konw. | ||
| ||
