1.4.2 Patch Live - Page 19

On November 08 2011 17:49 SeaSwift wrote:


*Wiping tears of laughter from my eyes*

I feel for you bro. Going up against all those 1-A Chargelot/Sentry/HT compositions must be hard with such a skill-based MMG composition. It's outrageous that this patch forces you to 1-1-1 every game too. [/sarcasm]

On November 08 2011 17:55 yeint wrote:


I don't think Protoss should have to deal with ghosts stripping all their shields either. Why is everything a pissing match between the races? I am not accusing Protoss of a-moving, I am saying I dislike macro not counting for shit if either side makes a tiny mistake versus enemy spellcasters.

I am not going to 1/1/1 all-in, I am just going to play tank/marine/banshee against protoss now.

On November 08 2011 17:54 Kharnage wrote:


And I've never lost a game due to misclicking the FF on the ramp and letting the mm stim timing push into my base.

On November 08 2011 18:02 Kharnage wrote:


If you don't bring the scv's you push will be too late.
if protoss have enough time to get 2 colossus or chargelot archon you'll be in trouble.

non all-in 1/1/1 build isn't actually that great unless you do a tonne of damage with the banshee opening, in which case you're ahead anyway.
In my experience anyway.

On November 08 2011 17:55 yeint wrote:


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I am not going to 1/1/1 all-in, I am just going to play tank/marine/banshee against protoss now.

On November 08 2011 18:07 ZenithM wrote:


You mean the macro build where you go one barracks, one factory, one starport, produces some SCVs but not too many, to leave more comfort room for the MULE. Then you produce some tank/marines/banshees, and go light pressure your opponent with it? (Bring some SCVs as well, just in case the mineral line is a bit too tight for the MULE). Sometimes you can do some damage, it's a good build ^^.
And when you're finished mining out your main, you just lift your orbital and put it in the natural, it's very economical, you save one command center at the very least.

On November 08 2011 18:03 yeint wrote:


If you're relying on nothing but that forcefield by the time your opponent has stim ready, then yes, it's perfectly reasonable that you have to land it properly, because you're teching rather greedily. It's just the one choke, and you really have nothing else to watch at that point.

What I'm complaining about is the fact that both sides can be one 3+ bases, with big, upgraded armies, and the fight comes down to "will you EMP me before I split your army in half with forcefields". I dislike the idea of you losing all your shields just as much as I dislike the idea of forcefields preventing me from fighting chargelots properly.

I would be far happier with a nerf to the amount of shield damage EMP does than making it harder to hit sentries with them.

On November 08 2011 18:11 Kharnage wrote:


Personally I was hoping they would make shield upgrades reduce the amount of damage EMP does by say, 20dmg per upgrade?
That way protoss would actually get shield ups vs terran.

On November 08 2011 17:54 Irre wrote:
great..so on NA and EU the gmaster ladder will be further dominated by protoss than it already is. Its pretty funny that all the foreign players feel they can complain about Terran imbalance when the only place its actually seen is by the best korean terrans which don't affect anyones ladder rankings. Oh well gg protoss, you'll just have to deal with even more all ins from frustrated terrans that don't want to deal with mass aoe and endless chargelot warpins that require far too much control/multitasking for mortal players. But by all means if they feel the pro level is imbalanced based on Protoss not winning things (lol) its much more important to balance the top tier (Aka korea).

On November 08 2011 18:10 yeint wrote:


There's absolutely no need to be a dick.

No, I mean a 1/1/1 tech opening that starts like the banshee/tank/rine 9 minute all-in timing, but instead of adding extra rax, you start your natural behind it. You seek to kill or deny the natural while retaining your army, then falling back to defend your third. I've seen plenty of GM terrans do this.

On November 08 2011 18:19 Kharnage wrote:
Expansion timing is critical in PvT. You either go 1 gate expand or get an obs and wait for terran to expand. Putting your nexus down when terran is 1 basing is suicide.

On November 08 2011 18:10 yeint wrote:


There's absolutely no need to be a dick.

No, I mean a 1/1/1 tech opening that starts like the banshee/tank/rine 9 minute all-in timing, but instead of adding extra rax, you start your natural behind it. You seek to kill or deny the natural while retaining your army, then falling back to defend your third. I've seen plenty of GM terrans do this.

On November 08 2011 18:26 ZenithM wrote:


Rooh I was just joking man.
And I know of what you're talking about, don't worry. It's something very popular among EU Terran GMs I believe (not KR ones), and it's because of openings like this that PvT seems more balanced in EU. That 111 opening gives Protoss the economic edge, so if you don't do shit with your banshee, you're basically behind and your push will be crushed by raw unit count. The reason the banshee sometimes does things is because it can work against slow players.

Example (not with banshees but with a 1/1/1 hellion drop): Sjow vs Elfi at the ASUS Invitational. It was quite an awful set of games, Sjow doing a 1/1/1 expand and both players at barely 90 APM unable to defend slight harass (Sjow even losing his entire mineral line to 4 zealots, as Elfi did vs HuK)

My point is not to bash players, but this kind of openings should not work against good players (good multitaskers).

I'm so happy when someone opens banshees against me and doesn't push with the all in afterwards. 1 rax FE is way more scary, as well as good pressure openings like 2 rax.

On November 08 2011 18:22 SeaSwift wrote:


Actually, it's the other way round. To beat a 1-1-1 you NEED a fast expansion, or else gosu HerO/MC Phoenix/DT micro. 1basing vs a 1-1-1 does not work consistently. Look it up in the strategy guides.