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On November 08 2011 15:01 Ciryandor wrote:
It would be easy after seeing how screwed up this was for most people; and I'm sure you have enough people there to make it work.
I seriously doubt that it's going to make it easier. Any suggestion of running an event in SEA with a big sponsor like IGN is going to require a lot more proof that you're capable of running such an event, and without any such prior event ever happening you're just not going to be able to provide that proof. I really wish that wasn't the case as I'd love to see something like MLG (albeit a lot smaller) making tours around Australia (as I'd certainly attend if it was in Melb), but I think it's going to take a long time for sponsors to be confident enough to do it again.
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The state of Esports right now depends a lot on the quality of individuals. This will get less over time. It's just sort of the way it goes in a new industry where initiative is rewarded but may just as well go wrong. One guy fucking up does not mean Philippines isn't ready, and I hope everyone understands this.
I do think that a company like IPL (and TeamLiquid as well) should be very wary of who we associate ourselves with. It can often be tempting to listen to golden promises, but oftentimes it's better to decline something potentially good than to get into something with an unknown factor being in charge.
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On November 08 2011 15:11 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
The state of Esports right now depends a lot on the quality of individuals. This will get less over time. It's just sort of the way it goes in a new industry where initiative is rewarded but may just as well go wrong. One guy fucking up does not mean Philippines isn't ready, and I hope everyone understands this.
I do think that a company like IPL (and TeamLiquid as well) should be very wary of who we associate ourselves with. It can often be tempting to listen to golden promises, but oftentimes it's better to decline something potentially good than to get into something with an unknown factor being in charge.
Not to take any blame away from AZK but IPL should have taken greater care in selecting partners - especially the first huge event in SEA, which is bound to generate a lot of attention. There is already an established esports organization in Philippines - MINESKI!! - that has experience hosting international organizations. Wonder why Mski wasn't the first choice.
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On November 08 2011 15:10 CarbonTwelve wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2011 15:01 Ciryandor wrote:
It would be easy after seeing how screwed up this was for most people; and I'm sure you have enough people there to make it work. I seriously doubt that it's going to make it easier. Any suggestion of running an event in SEA with a big sponsor like IGN is going to require a lot more proof that you're capable of running such an event, and without any such prior event ever happening you're just not going to be able to provide that proof. I really wish that wasn't the case as I'd love to see something like MLG (albeit a lot smaller) making tours around Australia (as I'd certainly attend if it was in Melb), but I think it's going to take a long time for sponsors to be confident enough to do it again.
Community tournaments and transparency will go a LONG way towards showing you can be trusted. You can just go small, no need to ask for outrageous demands like an IPL4 slot and big prizes. If you're saying you're going to have a 16 man invitational based off community events all over Australia (just as an example) and that this would be a one day event, it would be worth doing.
It's all about the people KNOWING you can be accounted for at the end of the day. They WILL trust you if you show you have a track record you don't want to tarnish if you screw it up; or if you do, that you're willing and able to do damage control on it and prevent it from screwing up everything.
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On November 08 2011 15:11 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
The state of Esports right now depends a lot on the quality of individuals. This will get less over time. It's just sort of the way it goes in a new industry where initiative is rewarded but may just as well go wrong. One guy fucking up does not mean Philippines isn't ready, and I hope everyone understands this.
I do think that a company like IPL (and TeamLiquid as well) should be very wary of who we associate ourselves with. It can often be tempting to listen to golden promises, but oftentimes it's better to decline something potentially good than to get into something with an unknown factor being in charge.
Yes, thank you for making this crystal clear. IPL should learn from this. I hope Filipinos who are very much incensed over what has happened will step up and redeem themselves with better work, so they can get a chance to show that this is a one-time screw up.
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On November 08 2011 15:19 Ciryandor wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2011 15:10 CarbonTwelve wrote:On November 08 2011 15:01 Ciryandor wrote:
It would be easy after seeing how screwed up this was for most people; and I'm sure you have enough people there to make it work. I seriously doubt that it's going to make it easier. Any suggestion of running an event in SEA with a big sponsor like IGN is going to require a lot more proof that you're capable of running such an event, and without any such prior event ever happening you're just not going to be able to provide that proof. I really wish that wasn't the case as I'd love to see something like MLG (albeit a lot smaller) making tours around Australia (as I'd certainly attend if it was in Melb), but I think it's going to take a long time for sponsors to be confident enough to do it again. Community tournaments and transparency will go a LONG way towards showing you can be trusted. You can just go small, no need to ask for outrageous demands like an IPL4 slot and big prizes. If you're saying you're going to have a 16 man invitational based off community events all over Australia (just as an example) and that this would be a one day event, it would be worth doing. It's all about the people KNOWING you can be accounted for at the end of the day. They WILL trust you if you show you have a track record you don't want to tarnish if you screw it up; or if you do, that you're willing and able to do damage control on it and prevent it from screwing up everything.
There are plenty of online tournaments held for SEA, but to have a live event requires a lot of money behind it in order to host the venue, insurance, equipment, etc. etc. Organising an event like that is completely different to just running an online tournament. Even a LAN cafe tournament or something isn't anywhere near the level of organisation required for a live event. It's going to be difficult to show them you're capable of running a live event without ever having the chance to run a live event beforehand.
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On November 08 2011 15:10 CarbonTwelve wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2011 15:01 Ciryandor wrote:
It would be easy after seeing how screwed up this was for most people; and I'm sure you have enough people there to make it work. I really wish that wasn't the case as I'd love to see something like MLG (albeit a lot smaller) making tours around Australia (as I'd certainly attend if it was in Melb)
You're in luck. I'm doing exactly that in 2012.
www.aclpro.com.au
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Much respect to IGN. I appreciate the direct communication and will make sure to continue to support the IPL and related events in spite of this mishap.
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On November 08 2011 15:29 Dox wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2011 15:10 CarbonTwelve wrote:On November 08 2011 15:01 Ciryandor wrote:
It would be easy after seeing how screwed up this was for most people; and I'm sure you have enough people there to make it work. I really wish that wasn't the case as I'd love to see something like MLG (albeit a lot smaller) making tours around Australia (as I'd certainly attend if it was in Melb) You're in luck. I'm doing exactly that in 2012. www.aclpro.com.au
There you go. IPL WHY U NO SPONSOR DOX?
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For those who doubt PH eSports, Mineski just did an event JUST A WEEK AGO
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Yes, that was the WCG 2011 SC2 Philippine qualifiers.
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On November 08 2011 15:06 Ciryandor wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2011 14:48 Superfool wrote:
And last but certainly not the least, I would like to thank IPL for giving Philippine Esports a chance to show itself, but I guess we are not ready yet. Sorry. Dude, the MMO players have already shown they're very much ready with playing in major tournaments, and I'd like to point to things like eGames' Domination and Level Up! Live to show that it works. It's just the need for upstanding and communicative community-based organizers who can deal with putting together an event of this magnitude without full corporate backing for games like SC2 and DotA/HoN that's missing. The people are there, I've seen enough of them, they just need to take the plunge and commit to making it work; while risking the spotlight.
Oh sorry i wasn't clear at that, what i meant was the organizing of the event, not the players  But yeah I can see that the previous MMO and Dota tournaments were a success.
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On November 08 2011 14:48 Superfool wrote:
I read this post and the replies in here, and i am disappointed. I'm a Filipino player, and I am a silent reader/player. I don't really post/comment unless i need to (in our philippine forums), and to be honest i made this account just now for this specific topic (this is my first account here :p).
Anyway the event was a mess, I was there. It's understandable to have technical difficulties, but having it not solved for more than an hour is not tolerable. As I watched what i thought would be the greatest part of my gaming life, it slowly sinked in to me that the people handling the event were incapable of executing the event itself. Rather than anger, I felt really sad because i know this will reflect on the status of Philippine Esports. I just can't help but think of the future of this industry.
I do hope you guys don't generalize the things that has happened. Team AZK does not represent the whole of Philippine Esports. And I pray that the Philippines won't be shunned by sponsors and fellow gamers.
And last but certainly not the least, I would like to thank IPL for giving Philippine Esports a chance to show itself, but I guess we are not ready yet. Sorry.
Don't worry, as someone from the U.S. this has not reflected how I feel about Philippine Esports as a whole. The tournament was poorly managed and therefore the overall quality suffered. Obviously U.S. tournaments had serious issues as well in the early stages (and even in recent tournaments) and I'd say the NA scene is still doing pretty well. Don't worry, as long as Esports remains popular in SEA I'm sure an organization will take the opportunity to produce a successful tournament. Keep in mind MLG in its early days was pretty disappointing in terms of viewer quality. It's growing pains, and although it's upsetting, it's something to be expected in the quickly growing community. I look forward in seeing what SEA has to offer in terms of content
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I'm not saying they shouldn't or that they are making a mistake, but be aware that this isn't so much taking responsibility as it is washing your hands of a (former) partner. It is common in the business world to stick by a failing partner a bit longer than seems reasonable to show potential partners that they have a certain amount of loyalty.
This reminds me of the WCG US mess of this year. You might want to consider maybe asking WCG centrally to disown WCG US's current management (?) Just a thought.
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On November 08 2011 15:41 ZenDeX wrote:For those who doubt PH eSports, Mineski just did an event JUST A WEEK AGO Yes, that was the WCG 2011 SC2 Philippine qualifiers.
That's so cool, looks like it would have been a lot of fun to attend!
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good thing ipl is making a statement
it got a bit out of hand it seems 
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On November 08 2011 14:16 gulshngill wrote:
Thanks for the clarification IPL! If you have an SC2 event in SEA again, I suggest doing it in Singapore at least.
Thank you, my man. That is right
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On November 08 2011 15:46 RexCogitans wrote:
I'm not saying they shouldn't or that they are making a mistake, but be aware that this isn't so much taking responsibility as it is washing your hands of a (former) partner. It is common in the business world to stick by a failing partner a bit longer than seems reasonable to show potential partners that they have a certain amount of loyalty.
This reminds me of the WCG US mess of this year. You might want to consider maybe asking WCG centrally to disown WCG US's current management (?) Just a thought.
That might just happen if their fuck up was of this magnitude. Embezzling and rigging of qualifiers sounds pretty low to me already.
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Its so funny that AKZ somehow ended up running this tournament. Maybe my experiences with AKZ players are unusual but I only know them as people that play 4v4s with 3people in a team (so it counts on their RT rank) and cheese 100% of the time. Usually 1 canon rush + 1DT rush then ether 7pool or 6rax.
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On November 08 2011 15:57 NoobStyles wrote:
Its so funny that AKZ somehow ended up running this tournament. Maybe my experiences with AKZ players are unusual but I only know them as people that play 4v4s with 3people in a team (so it counts on their RT rank) and cheese 100% of the time. Usually 1 canon rush + 1DT rush then ether 7pool or 6rax.
You should play 1v1's with them..
All you get is abused if you win, and get called a scrub if you lose. You also get invited to there channel all the time :\
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