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GnarlyWhale
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada2 Posts
November 08 2011 05:15 GMT
#321
ipl = class act. Good on you.
Manex
Profile Joined August 2011
Australia156 Posts
November 08 2011 05:16 GMT
#322
On November 08 2011 14:08 Dox wrote:
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On November 08 2011 14:05 Coruscant wrote:
This is such a damned waste. One of the biggest SC2 events in SEA and it turned out like that. Had such high hopes for this - even skipped classes to watch the stream. ):

If a proper series of SEA qualifiers were actually held, I can guarantee you there would be substantially less AZK members flooding the brackets.

Dox, out of curiosity, if IPL had wanted you to organise the SEA qualifier instead of AZK, would you have been willing to try your hand at an event of that size? because from what i saw you put on a much better event to decide the two aus reps, even if yoon did get dicked over.
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gulshngill
Profile Joined December 2010
Malaysia140 Posts
November 08 2011 05:16 GMT
#323
Thanks for the clarification IPL! If you have an SC2 event in SEA again, I suggest doing it in Singapore at least.
nOondn
Profile Joined March 2011
564 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-08 05:17:15
November 08 2011 05:16 GMT
#324
On November 08 2011 13:22 Solis_au wrote:
Normally I don't post in these kinds of threads but I'd like to make a comment on an issue that hasn't been raised.

AZKziek should not have been included in the tournament. He was not apart of the Australian IPL 4 qualifiers and he did not participate in the tournament bracket that would have earned him the right to compete in the Phillipines. More so, 'Ziek' (or as we in the SEA scene know him 'Zanooku') is SEA's version of Combat-EX. He is bad mannered and makes derogatory and racist statements. If you'd like a source, then I'd ask you to take the time to look up the incident at WCG Brisbane.

To me, it is offensive to me as a member of the SEA community that he was chosen to represent TEAM AZK as a host, and Australia as a participant in this league. He did not earn his position in that tournament, and the absence of YoonYJ suggests that AZK perhaps used the money to send over this poor-mannered representative.


To Team AZK's management, make sure you send over the people who earned their spots in the tournament before you send over your own replacement.

IPL/IGN: You were not at fault at all, I'm pretty sure the community could tell by the quality of the event who was to blame. Thank-you for stepping up and taking some responsibility, but the fact is that you can't be everywhere at once and we as a community understand and support you. IPL is my favorite tournament to watch in the west, and I hope you continue to provide quality entertainment for the community.

wow this guy is .......... fucking pathetic , i didn't expect that Ziek was Zanooku. He such a bad manner guy who harassment by trash talk to most of the player who play terran i think.
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duk3
Profile Joined September 2010
United States807 Posts
November 08 2011 05:17 GMT
#325
IPL always has the best responses to issues like these, great to see this high level of maturity and community transparency.
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Tewks44
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2032 Posts
November 08 2011 05:20 GMT
#326
Thanks for not only letting the community know the details of this event, but for aiming for such high levels of production from the very start. This is certainly a setback, but at least you guys have stepped up and addressed it. I've been a fan of IPL and I will continue to be a fan of IPL in the future. I can't wait until IPL 4!
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LastDance
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
New Zealand510 Posts
November 08 2011 05:22 GMT
#327
respect to IGN/IPL. this Gus guy is a disgrace to esports. more reason we need a governing organisation in the industry.
CarbonTwelve
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia525 Posts
November 08 2011 05:23 GMT
#328
On November 08 2011 14:09 Za7oX wrote:
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On November 08 2011 13:47 Dox wrote:
On November 08 2011 13:42 CarbonTwelve wrote:
On November 08 2011 13:22 Solis_au wrote:
AZKziek should not have been included in the tournament. He was not apart of the Australian IPL 4 qualifiers and he did not participate in the tournament bracket that would have earned him the right to compete in the Phillipines. More so, 'Ziek' (or as we in the SEA scene know him 'Zanooku') is SEA's version of Combat-EX. He is bad mannered and makes derogatory and racist statements. If you'd like a source, then I'd ask you to take the time to look up the incident at WCG Brisbane.


Are you serious?? Zanooku was there?? Wow... There is no way he ever deserved to be involved in any tournament...

He's live on the stream right now, playing against Moon.


I thought he played Protoss?


He certainly used to. I came up against him in random 2v2s once. I played absolutely terrible and we ended up losing, but he really didn't play much better, and even on a good day I was hardly a great player. Based on his ranking (#146 GM SEA) it looks like he's improved somewhat, but even still he doesn't deserve to be there if for no other reason that the racism he continually showed on the SEA Battle.Net forums.
XRaDiiX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1730 Posts
November 08 2011 05:25 GMT
#329
Really had fun watching those awesome matches between Sen and Naniwa !! . Thanks IPL!
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TaylorGangOrDie
Profile Joined February 2011
United States104 Posts
November 08 2011 05:31 GMT
#330
What is up with the quality of the stream, it lags on 480 and thats bearly watchable TT...
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Mortal
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
2943 Posts
November 08 2011 05:36 GMT
#331
Well... they handled that rather well didn't they...

Glad they did too, it was quite the travesty
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Gen_Syntax
Profile Joined September 2011
25 Posts
November 08 2011 05:41 GMT
#332
i hope IPL does another SEA sc2 scene probably in another place...I'm a filipino but i'm not proud on what happened...it's sad that PPSL already has an awful reputation when the sc2 is still growing here in SEA...
Lunares
Profile Joined May 2010
United States909 Posts
November 08 2011 05:42 GMT
#333
I'm just glad that there appear to be enough good people in the tournament that the chances of any AZK member making it out and actually getting to go to IPL4 are near zero.
ZergX
Profile Joined October 2010
France436 Posts
November 08 2011 05:44 GMT
#334
respect ! Ipl fighting ! looking forward for ipl 4 : )
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Dox
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Australia1199 Posts
November 08 2011 05:44 GMT
#335
On November 08 2011 14:16 Manex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2011 14:08 Dox wrote:
On November 08 2011 14:05 Coruscant wrote:
This is such a damned waste. One of the biggest SC2 events in SEA and it turned out like that. Had such high hopes for this - even skipped classes to watch the stream. ):

If a proper series of SEA qualifiers were actually held, I can guarantee you there would be substantially less AZK members flooding the brackets.

Dox, out of curiosity, if IPL had wanted you to organise the SEA qualifier instead of AZK, would you have been willing to try your hand at an event of that size? because from what i saw you put on a much better event to decide the two aus reps, even if yoon did get dicked over.

I would have loved to.

I've just updated my original blog post with some information about the brackets. There may be a better explanation than the one that I've provided, but we'll have to wait for a statement from AZK. At this stage, it looks like they may have been rigged.

Once again, I could be wrong. Just saying how it looks.

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Superfool
Profile Joined November 2011
Philippines9 Posts
November 08 2011 05:48 GMT
#336
I read this post and the replies in here, and i am disappointed. I'm a Filipino player, and I am a silent reader/player. I don't really post/comment unless i need to (in our philippine forums), and to be honest i made this account just now for this specific topic (this is my first account here :p).

Anyway the event was a mess, I was there. It's understandable to have technical difficulties, but having it not solved for more than an hour is not tolerable. As I watched what i thought would be the greatest part of my gaming life, it slowly sinked in to me that the people handling the event were incapable of executing the event itself. Rather than anger, I felt really sad because i know this will reflect on the status of Philippine Esports. I just can't help but think of the future of this industry.

I do hope you guys don't generalize the things that has happened. Team AZK does not represent the whole of Philippine Esports. And I pray that the Philippines won't be shunned by sponsors and fellow gamers.

And last but certainly not the least, I would like to thank IPL for giving Philippine Esports a chance to show itself, but I guess we are not ready yet. Sorry.
Ciryandor
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3735 Posts
November 08 2011 06:01 GMT
#337
On November 08 2011 08:25 Xpace wrote:
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On November 08 2011 08:21 Ciryandor wrote:
The Philippines has never really had a single-game E-Sports event in this scale that has required streaming and such; though there have been DotA tournaments held in similar mall-based venues. Also I will have to say that connection and streaming problems with the PPSL is for THEM to explain alone, and not for IGN. It is a good move for IGN to proactively explain what their involvement truly is, and what support they have offered and can still provide.

To the PPSL:

Please do something about connectivity, FFS Level Up! Live was just last Saturday and took them 2 days to check out their Internet and LAN cabling; you need only 20 or so PCs (Live had over 100), and just test it so it doesn't have horribad lag. I honestly think you guys can be doing a better job at this; especially if one considers that many of the people there have probably already organized big DotA events.


Yeah, like Mineski. I've seen their DotA events on stream, not too shabby. They would have done a better job with IGN's money and support, and would have been a better choice to prove that SEA has the potential for epic events.


Yeah, I'd be much more confident in SC2 in the Philippines had it been done by Mski. Those guys know how to do things well, and this is one of the reasons they're in the top tier of SEA DotA; and will probably be the same with SC2.

On November 08 2011 09:01 PiGStarcraft wrote:
As a player from SEA who's heavily invested in the community I can say that team AZK and the PPSL looked dodgy from the start. These guys have a pretty poor reputation due to certain members being trolls etc. They even put all these average players into the tournament whom aren't even of a competitive level for some of the smaller weekly tourneys in SEA. The only time I've seen them make a noteworthy performance was in a clan-match with Xeria Gaming where they won 4-1 with a lineup of players who didn't speak english, on guest accounts on supposedly their own server, and no1 had ever heard of any of them. It turned out they were ''Koreans living in the Phillipines and active members of AZK" but I never saw any of them again so my doubts about this team kept growing...

I also wondered how the hell any organiser in SEA would get enough money to produce the event properly, fly so many players there and schedule it accurately. There isn't that much sponsorship in SEA as its eSPORTS is just starting to pick up down here so I was always shocked to hear such grand plans. Now I find out IPL/IGN were providing monetary support and the event was still so badly organised really makes the organisers look quite silly.


Hats off to IPL/IGN for accepting responsibility for having trusted these guys to put on a good event. As the scene here is quite small I can completely understand AZK mixed reputation being completely unknown.



You know, I'll have to say that some vetting ought to have been done by IPL as well, unless they were completely hoodwinked by their communication to them. I'm saying that IPL could have also been more pro-active in checking people out, especially in places like this where e-Sports activities are not very well established; as linkages to active grassroots groups are your best way of cultivating players.

On November 08 2011 09:56 hmunkey wrote:
I know this sounds classist, but I personally think major broadcasted tournaments shouldn't be held in developing countries (with a few exceptions like China of course).

It just seems like the infrastructure isn't stable or in place for these kind of things -- perfect example being their computers.

I see no reason why this couldn't have been held in say Australia or Singapore instead.


You know, the Philippines has had its fair share of online tournaments (e.g. the Ragnarok World Championships being inspired by the Philippines having its own tournament if my recollection serves me right), and the infrastructure has been present for quite a while in major venues. I'll have to say that it's the organizers' fault on this end in this case.

On November 08 2011 11:03 Pobbes wrote:
not that i'm defending gus, but i'm sure he's been really busy with the event, which could be one reason why he hasn't issued a statement about anything. I'm still praying the the thing with yonnyj, HON, and everything is just a big misunderstanding, but it's getting harder and harder to believe in it :/

oh and i just want to say that the crowd was pretty noisy. i was there and the crowd did scream during games and when tastosis were asking for cheers. it probably just wasn't picked up by the mic since i don't think there was one in the crowd.


Yo mang, you should have been playing in this thing, WCG country placing should have been enough reason for the top 3 to be there.

Also, to the people saying Australia deserves it more; why don't you guys have the initiative to actually make a proper event that would eclipse this? Give IPL a reason to trust you MORE with their qualifiers. It would be easy after seeing how screwed up this was for most people; and I'm sure you have enough people there to make it work.
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dnld12
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States324 Posts
November 08 2011 06:06 GMT
#338
This needed a lot more clarity. I had no idea. I thought this was a qualifier offical not a seperate branch. THERE needs to be more communication on all three sides. IF IPL is running a qualifier for their tournament it should be run by them, no one else, therefore they can FULLY accept responsibility. IN this case, they had their money in it, but suddenly got hit in the back of the head because the tournament had its pants pulled down and didn't know how to dress properly.

Tournament quality and standard have gone up in the past few months.

it is unacceptable for anyone to accept this tournament as 'good'. It is unacceptable to even call this 'a tournament' because it isn't. We have online play and than we have live tournies.
Ipl did good in differentiating but they did bad on understanding their position in 'tournament' expectations.
When i first heard about it, i thought it would be bad ass with flair. Turns out hte stream quality was crappy when it was on. I got two random people casting instead of tasetosis (do not comment on how they were girls, that is sexism).

HOnestly, besides k-9, i think Tasetosis is the best casting dou out there. And to expect 'quality' and not get it is BAD!
Ranting yes, but making a point, i hope you see it.
Tournaments need to be held to a certain expectations or they will die under the glory of other and better tournaments.
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Ciryandor
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3735 Posts
November 08 2011 06:06 GMT
#339
On November 08 2011 14:48 Superfool wrote:
And last but certainly not the least, I would like to thank IPL for giving Philippine Esports a chance to show itself, but I guess we are not ready yet. Sorry.

Dude, the MMO players have already shown they're very much ready with playing in major tournaments, and I'd like to point to things like eGames' Domination and Level Up! Live to show that it works. It's just the need for upstanding and communicative community-based organizers who can deal with putting together an event of this magnitude without full corporate backing for games like SC2 and DotA/HoN that's missing. The people are there, I've seen enough of them, they just need to take the plunge and commit to making it work; while risking the spotlight.
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Farone
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands1219 Posts
November 08 2011 06:07 GMT
#340
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