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Normally I don't post in these kinds of threads but I'd like to make a comment on an issue that hasn't been raised.
AZKziek should not have been included in the tournament. He was not apart of the Australian IPL 4 qualifiers and he did not participate in the tournament bracket that would have earned him the right to compete in the Phillipines. More so, 'Ziek' (or as we in the SEA scene know him 'Zanooku') is SEA's version of Combat-EX. He is bad mannered and makes derogatory and racist statements. If you'd like a source, then I'd ask you to take the time to look up the incident at WCG Brisbane.
To me, it is offensive to me as a member of the SEA community that he was chosen to represent TEAM AZK as a host, and Australia as a participant in this league. He did not earn his position in that tournament, and the absence of YoonYJ suggests that AZK perhaps used the money to send over this poor-mannered representative.
To Team AZK's management, make sure you send over the people who earned their spots in the tournament before you send over your own replacement.
IPL/IGN: You were not at fault at all, I'm pretty sure the community could tell by the quality of the event who was to blame. Thank-you for stepping up and taking some responsibility, but the fact is that you can't be everywhere at once and we as a community understand and support you. IPL is my favorite tournament to watch in the west, and I hope you continue to provide quality entertainment for the community.
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On November 08 2011 13:16 Oreo7 wrote:
AZK really needs to be blacklisted by the community. I feel really bad for the Koreans - are they aware of the level of scamminess they've gotten embroiled in?
Probably not very aware. They couldn't even interview AZKsickness during the event because no English-speaking person there knew Korean. I feel really bad for all those players that were strung along.
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This sort of thing is very good for esports. Many of you may not remember the shenanigans and fall outs of the past.. and the very fact that we are now starting over in esports... but having this happen and then the response from IPL/IGN being as solid as it is, is an example of how things must progress for esports to be what we all want it to be. It will take more years of these bumps and bruises to work themselves out, but if we (fans, players, orgs) learn from these things this time we will all be better off.
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It's great to see you guys presenting your side of the story in a situation like this. Last week's State of the Game actually addressed this kind of topic and to see the IPL respond well is very promising.
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On November 08 2011 13:22 Solis_au wrote:
AZKziek should not have been included in the tournament. He was not apart of the Australian IPL 4 qualifiers and he did not participate in the tournament bracket that would have earned him the right to compete in the Phillipines. More so, 'Ziek' (or as we in the SEA scene know him 'Zanooku') is SEA's version of Combat-EX. He is bad mannered and makes derogatory and racist statements. If you'd like a source, then I'd ask you to take the time to look up the incident at WCG Brisbane.
Are you serious?? Zanooku was there?? Wow... There is no way he ever deserved to be involved in any tournament...
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Nothing but respect for the people behind IPL...
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I think IPL did the right thing. Instead of doing what a crappy company would do (which is broadcast the PPSL anyways, even though the quality would be inferior) they are going to be kind and do their best to explain their position to the community (which is what an awesome company does).
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IPL doing the right thing all the way, mad respect.
Maybe next time they could think about doing something with a respectable institution like FXO?
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On November 08 2011 13:42 CarbonTwelve wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2011 13:22 Solis_au wrote:
AZKziek should not have been included in the tournament. He was not apart of the Australian IPL 4 qualifiers and he did not participate in the tournament bracket that would have earned him the right to compete in the Phillipines. More so, 'Ziek' (or as we in the SEA scene know him 'Zanooku') is SEA's version of Combat-EX. He is bad mannered and makes derogatory and racist statements. If you'd like a source, then I'd ask you to take the time to look up the incident at WCG Brisbane. Are you serious?? Zanooku was there?? Wow... There is no way he ever deserved to be involved in any tournament...
He's live on the stream right now, playing against Moon.
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Nice! I had been waiting for something to be done to that horrible tournament.
Hopefully some lessons will be learn for everyone involved
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I hope to see less tournaments in developing countries that have barely reached the computer and internet age. We've done Spain, Finland and Philippines now and it didn't work. Lesson learned. Move on.
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I feel so sorry for everyone in the Australian scene, especially those that tried to work with the people from AZK.
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On November 08 2011 12:35 thepantysoaker wrote:
does this mean no more shake your ass plateau RIGHT ABOUT NOW?! You know what's ruining esports? The kind of people watching Esports. It was an eye-opener to read the stream chat when Cheekyduck/LiviBee were commentating. Firstly - I don't know about the girls you meet, but the girls I meet don't tend to play games. Those who do don't ever play the game at the same level comparable to men. I.e. Tossgirl v Jaedong. I listened to their cast quite carefully and apart from a few analytical blunders (which Wolf from GSL makes all the day long), they did quite well. "Right about now" is very unfortunate and I am sure these two female casters will sit in front of a mirror and iron that phrase out if they want to succeed in the future.
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This is such a damned waste. One of the biggest SC2 events in SEA and it turned out like that. Had such high hopes for this - even skipped classes to watch the stream. ):
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On November 08 2011 14:05 Coruscant wrote:
This is such a damned waste. One of the biggest SC2 events in SEA and it turned out like that. Had such high hopes for this - even skipped classes to watch the stream. ):
If a proper series of SEA qualifiers were actually held, I can guarantee you there would be substantially less AZK members flooding the brackets.
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I agree with JesusOurSaviour, everytime a new type of caster comes along they get bashed too much. We need different all different kinds of people in our community give them some time so get used to them and for them to improve. Its not like theres a huge pool of great talented casters and its your job to weed them out. Id rather see every person whos there with good intentions be welcomed even if they may not be absolutely flawless in what they do. I saw only very little of the girl casters but they made the girly spin on it work at least kinda xD
Also about this Gus Ledesma incident: does that really need to be fought out publicly? If you got treated bad draw your conclusions but dont involve a whole community necessarily.
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That fuckin gus guy makes me so mad. what a fuckin prick.
This is NOT the kinda thing that should be happening in this flourishing esport. I hope team AZK gets their senses right and gets rid of that loser or they have -1 fan... I'm sure there are plenty more to come.
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On November 08 2011 13:47 Dox wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2011 13:42 CarbonTwelve wrote:On November 08 2011 13:22 Solis_au wrote:
AZKziek should not have been included in the tournament. He was not apart of the Australian IPL 4 qualifiers and he did not participate in the tournament bracket that would have earned him the right to compete in the Phillipines. More so, 'Ziek' (or as we in the SEA scene know him 'Zanooku') is SEA's version of Combat-EX. He is bad mannered and makes derogatory and racist statements. If you'd like a source, then I'd ask you to take the time to look up the incident at WCG Brisbane. Are you serious?? Zanooku was there?? Wow... There is no way he ever deserved to be involved in any tournament... He's live on the stream right now, playing against Moon.
I thought he played Protoss?
Only thing i miss about not hanging in the 2bh channel is Zanooku's bm/qq ^_^
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All SEA players wanting more local tournaments already want this guy dead for bringing shame to our region.
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EPT
