EPT[October] TLPD Race Winrate Graphs - Page 2
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Lord_J
Kenya1085 Posts
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juicyjames
United States3815 Posts
On November 07 2011 04:23 TerlocSG wrote: The Y-axis kind of makes the graphs misleading. :/ It makes the difference in win % look a lot bigger than it really is. It's good information, and I'm not saying it isn't true, just making the view from 40 to 60% makes a 5% difference look huge. Finally someone else points this out! After learning about statistics I have begun to look at graphs and polls more carefully for this kind thing, and am very surprised at how misleading these can be due to the Y-axis alone. | ||
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Joseph123
Bulgaria1144 Posts
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On November 07 2011 04:27 DTK920 wrote: A lot of protoss players have been complaining about losing to terran lately, but this graph clearly shows that ZvP is even worse. Don't know why all the hate is focused on terrans when zergs are clearly ahead. Probably because Terran are also dominating their other matchup. It comforts Protoss to know that Zerg have troubles in at least a matchup. | ||
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andis35
Latvia346 Posts
On November 07 2011 04:30 Fusilero wrote: Why is PvZ so bad for toss? I thought that with the NP nerf it'd be more even or perhaps in favour of toss perhaps someone more enlightened could explain this to me? infestor broodlord | ||
pPingu
Switzerland2892 Posts
On November 07 2011 04:29 Ctuchik wrote: If you look at the lines in the graphs, they don't follow the data points (shown by the bars) perfectly. They actually take into account the previous 2 months as well, averaged. This is done to smooth them out a bit and try to graph a trend. I got a ton of feedback from the community and this was what was recommended. Not sure if I am completely happy with them, but they are much better than they were before. Hey man, love what you do, it's really great from you to do that every month. | ||
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Zeon0
Austria2995 Posts
On November 07 2011 04:22 Nemireck wrote: I don't understand why Protoss is so low. I lose to toss all the time  same here^^ | ||
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canikizu
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sekritzzz
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GhostFall
United States830 Posts
The winrates were 50/50 in April for PvZ before it diverged. It diverges coincides with patch 1.3.3. The winrates for TvZ has never been 50/50. Zerg's rise in March tho coincides with patch 1.3.0. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
That and counter attack/basetrade based styles. Without an easy, safe 3rd, almost every GSL protoss I've seen just 2base all-ins to avoid having to attempt to take a 3rd. | ||
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SoKHo
Korea (South)1081 Posts
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
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Striding Strider
United Kingdom787 Posts
User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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SwirlQ
United States148 Posts
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The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
On November 07 2011 04:22 Nemireck wrote: I don't understand why Protoss is so low. I lose to toss all the time I win as toss against terran -all the time-. The thing is that some people are specifically good against protoss and some aren't. However, according to the graph, many people have positive win-rates and few don't. | ||
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pzu
Sweden287 Posts
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freetgy
1720 Posts
On November 07 2011 04:30 Fusilero wrote: Why is PvZ so bad for toss? I thought that with the NP nerf it'd be more even or perhaps in favour of toss perhaps someone more enlightened could explain this to me? well notice that Blink was nerfed significantly (may be people did not realize this fully during the whole outcry of infestor balance changes), and prior to this the warpgates. (This are both huge changes, and the reason why Mutas become popular again) It is funny that protoss gets everything removed/nerfed that has any good utility. While things like 1-1-1 stay in almost untouched. The Metagame for protoss right know is 7-8 gate all-ins vs. Zerg. because protoss has nothing solid left to fall back on in a macrogame (unless the zerg screws up big time) PS: I thank every Zerg for trying to cheese me (and making it so much easier for me to win) Than playing to your races strenghts. | ||
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
On November 07 2011 04:35 Noocta wrote: These graphs are nice and all, but there are getting use for whining prupose way too much. Exactly. While this is really useful for balance at the pro level (where it really matters), to all of us n00bs it doesn't change much at all. Anywhere apart from high masters and GM is completely unaffected by this - so, while it's sad to watch the pro Protoss players lose games you think they shouldn't, bear in mind that this is most likely irrelevant to your own win/losses. On November 07 2011 04:36 SwirlQ wrote: Statistics don't tell you anything imo, I play zerg and I win almost 100% of my ZvTs on ladder where as I win like maybe 33% of my ZvPs. People play diffrent matchups at diffrent levels. I think blizzard should have a diffrent MMR for each match up instead of all 3 in one. This is for pro matches only, not ladder. If you want ladder stats go to Blizz directly, and good luck with that. And saying statistics don't tell you anything is bollocks - it's like those preachers from the bible belt who come out with "science is just a theory". You just have to know how to interpret the statistics and understand what they mean. | ||
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