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CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-03 02:18:12
November 03 2011 02:18 GMT
#21
You the man ecco. I jelly.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
ctrlaltleet
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States8 Posts
November 03 2011 02:23 GMT
#22
Great replay pack! Keep up the work!
I can eat alphabet soup and shit a better argument than that.
Kirschke
Profile Joined December 2010
United States19 Posts
November 03 2011 02:26 GMT
#23
good player.
junemermaid
Profile Joined September 2006
United States981 Posts
November 03 2011 02:49 GMT
#24
That was one goofy game vs avilo on metalopolis...
the UMP says YER OUT
Avan
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil121 Posts
November 03 2011 02:58 GMT
#25
Thank you very much, Brotoss! Gonna study the hell out of your replays :DD Adun Toridas ~\o
"I have never tasted Death, Zeratul. Nor shall I". Liquid'HerO FIGHTING!
symbolic
Profile Joined August 2010
254 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-03 04:47:29
November 03 2011 04:46 GMT
#26
On November 03 2011 11:16 unit wrote:
out of interest, what is your PvT style and are there any replays of you crushing solid upgraded mmmvg armies? in the lategame

My PvT style has actually evolved a lot over the time this replay pack was put together. During the earlier dated replays, I say it would lean more to robo play, such as quick colossi -> transition into chargelot archon -> then quick switch back to triple robo production colossi late late game. More recent replays will mostly be double forge play but with some quick colossi. Every PvT where I see a gas I go 2gate robo so I would play very reactionary from there. If I felt safe enough to go double forge, I would go it because I feel that that strategy snowballs the most efficiently. Other times if I feel I need earlier colossi to hold off pressure (or if I see that they are delaying teching for lots of MM pressure) then that is what I choose.

For specific replays displaying a strong late game against upgraded MMM, I will look through some of my more recent replays to cite specific examples for you.

Also, thank you everyone for the kind words. I hope everyone is enjoying the games!
unit
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2621 Posts
November 03 2011 04:55 GMT
#27
On November 03 2011 13:46 symbolic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2011 11:16 unit wrote:
out of interest, what is your PvT style and are there any replays of you crushing solid upgraded mmmvg armies? in the lategame

My PvT style has actually evolved a lot over the time this replay pack was put together. During the earlier dated replays, I say it would lean more to robo play, such as quick colossi -> transition into chargelot archon -> then quick switch back to triple robo production colossi late late game. More recent replays will mostly be double forge play but with some quick colossi. Every PvT where I see a gas I go 2gate robo so I would play very reactionary from there. If I felt safe enough to go double forge, I would go it because I feel that that strategy snowballs the most efficiently. Other times if I feel I need earlier colossi to hold off pressure (or if I see that they are delaying teching for lots of MM pressure) then that is what I choose.

For specific replays displaying a strong late game against upgraded MMM, I will look through some of my more recent replays to cite specific examples for you.

Also, thank you everyone for the kind words. I hope everyone is enjoying the games!

PERFECT!!!!!!!! the colossus into chargearchon back into colossus is one of my favorite ways to play the mu, i just tend to mess up the timing of switching back >.> 2gate robo is my favorite PvT opener :D and double forge (when not vs an allin) is one of my favorite PvT plays...sir...i am probably going to watch every single game you have to offer now :D

also im a fan already xD
Kuja
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States1759 Posts
November 03 2011 05:11 GMT
#28
Thanks for the replays, as a mid level masters player your really helping me iron my timings out.
“Who's to say that my light is better than your darkness? Who's to say death is better than your darkness? Who am I to say?”
MeatSnack
Profile Joined March 2011
United States23 Posts
November 03 2011 06:01 GMT
#29
THANK GOD. I've hit a huge plateau in Diamond league and I've been looking for material like this to go over.
LeakyBucket
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada76 Posts
November 03 2011 06:56 GMT
#30
Yeah this is great, The most important thing for me to work on is just macro and these replay's provide me with lots of straight forward macro builds, thanks alot!
Sphen5117
Profile Joined September 2011
United States413 Posts
November 03 2011 15:45 GMT
#31
symolic/ecco, I got a small question for you:

In PvT openers, you say you go 2gate robo. I find myself using gate-robo-gate+(optional third gate) lately and have had LOTS of success with it. As in like 73 percent winrate in my last 40ish PvT's.

By 2 gate robo do you mean the second gate comes after the robo? For the sake of stopping 1-1-1's, or else going chewing through bunkers shortly after they expand (which nets me most of my wins), I find getting the robo after the first gate works best, to get a fast obs and to start immortal production. The quick obs lets me get a concave from lowground onto his highground on many maps, and the constant immortal production afterwards is clutch for focus firing targets. I get the 3 gates total for pinch-warpins for offense or defense, but I haven't tried delaying my robo much.

Is there a specific time for your robo, or am I just putting too much emphasis on a minor detail?
symbolic
Profile Joined August 2010
254 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-03 17:09:59
November 03 2011 17:07 GMT
#32
On November 04 2011 00:45 Sphen5117 wrote:
symolic/ecco, I got a small question for you:

In PvT openers, you say you go 2gate robo. I find myself using gate-robo-gate+(optional third gate) lately and have had LOTS of success with it. As in like 73 percent winrate in my last 40ish PvT's.

By 2 gate robo do you mean the second gate comes after the robo? For the sake of stopping 1-1-1's, or else going chewing through bunkers shortly after they expand (which nets me most of my wins), I find getting the robo after the first gate works best, to get a fast obs and to start immortal production. The quick obs lets me get a concave from lowground onto his highground on many maps, and the constant immortal production afterwards is clutch for focus firing targets. I get the 3 gates total for pinch-warpins for offense or defense, but I haven't tried delaying my robo much.

Is there a specific time for your robo, or am I just putting too much emphasis on a minor detail?

I go gate -> robo -> gate every time I go 2gate robo. If I'm worried that there might be some sort of cheese, such as a proxy rax, then I will go zealot -> stalker -> sentry then add on robo but if I feel fairly safe I will cut the zealot and go stalker -> sentry -> robo. If you feel REALLY safe from any sort of pressure/cheese then you can go stalker -> robo (but I almost never do this).
Sphen5117
Profile Joined September 2011
United States413 Posts
November 03 2011 17:46 GMT
#33
Awesome, you totally just lined out the build I do, generally cutting the zealot, and usually starting a sentry before dropping robo. Glad to hear I'm on to something that a much better player uses. Also, in what situations do you not get an obs? I'm assuming they're few if any at all. If I'm pretty certain that he's doing a small, fast push with a couple marauders/marines, I'll maybe get the immortal out first, then obs second before more immortals.

TY for the response, btw.
OskO
Profile Joined February 2011
Argentina369 Posts
November 03 2011 18:07 GMT
#34
Much appreciated. I'll give 'em a look.
Though we strike at you from the shadows, do not think that we lack the courage to stand in the light.
Cracy
Profile Joined October 2011
Poland221 Posts
November 03 2011 18:17 GMT
#35
Thanks for replays. I'd like to have to for all this...
Oderint dum probent
Kyuki
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden1867 Posts
November 03 2011 18:55 GMT
#36
Thanks for this
Mada Mada Dane
symbolic
Profile Joined August 2010
254 Posts
November 03 2011 20:44 GMT
#37
On November 04 2011 02:46 Sphen5117 wrote:
Awesome, you totally just lined out the build I do, generally cutting the zealot, and usually starting a sentry before dropping robo. Glad to hear I'm on to something that a much better player uses. Also, in what situations do you not get an obs? I'm assuming they're few if any at all. If I'm pretty certain that he's doing a small, fast push with a couple marauders/marines, I'll maybe get the immortal out first, then obs second before more immortals.

TY for the response, btw.

In situations where I feel safe from early pressure, like 2rax with a few pulled scvs, then I chrono obs first but if I don't feel safe, then I go immortal -> obs. But yeah, that's pretty much what you said. There's never a time where I wouldn't get an obs eventually after going 2gate robo since the point of the build is to know what your opponent is doing.
ForeverSleep
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada920 Posts
November 03 2011 21:08 GMT
#38
On November 03 2011 13:46 symbolic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2011 11:16 unit wrote:
out of interest, what is your PvT style and are there any replays of you crushing solid upgraded mmmvg armies? in the lategame

My PvT style has actually evolved a lot over the time this replay pack was put together. During the earlier dated replays, I say it would lean more to robo play, such as quick colossi -> transition into chargelot archon -> then quick switch back to triple robo production colossi late late game. More recent replays will mostly be double forge play but with some quick colossi. Every PvT where I see a gas I go 2gate robo so I would play very reactionary from there. If I felt safe enough to go double forge, I would go it because I feel that that strategy snowballs the most efficiently. Other times if I feel I need earlier colossi to hold off pressure (or if I see that they are delaying teching for lots of MM pressure) then that is what I choose.

For specific replays displaying a strong late game against upgraded MMM, I will look through some of my more recent replays to cite specific examples for you.

Also, thank you everyone for the kind words. I hope everyone is enjoying the games!


I have a question, what do you do if you don't see a gas? Do you then proceed to get more gates to be prepare from an allin?
"Life is what happens to you while you’re busy making other plans" - John Lennon
symbolic
Profile Joined August 2010
254 Posts
November 03 2011 21:20 GMT
#39
On November 04 2011 06:08 ForeverSleep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2011 13:46 symbolic wrote:
On November 03 2011 11:16 unit wrote:
out of interest, what is your PvT style and are there any replays of you crushing solid upgraded mmmvg armies? in the lategame

My PvT style has actually evolved a lot over the time this replay pack was put together. During the earlier dated replays, I say it would lean more to robo play, such as quick colossi -> transition into chargelot archon -> then quick switch back to triple robo production colossi late late game. More recent replays will mostly be double forge play but with some quick colossi. Every PvT where I see a gas I go 2gate robo so I would play very reactionary from there. If I felt safe enough to go double forge, I would go it because I feel that that strategy snowballs the most efficiently. Other times if I feel I need earlier colossi to hold off pressure (or if I see that they are delaying teching for lots of MM pressure) then that is what I choose.

For specific replays displaying a strong late game against upgraded MMM, I will look through some of my more recent replays to cite specific examples for you.

Also, thank you everyone for the kind words. I hope everyone is enjoying the games!


I have a question, what do you do if you don't see a gas? Do you then proceed to get more gates to be prepare from an allin?

If I don't see a gas, I check for proxies and go 20nexus->20stalker->22stalker-> add 2gates -> pylon -> sentry -> gas and then get a robo a little bit after warpgate finishes and then just go from there.
ForeverSleep
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada920 Posts
November 03 2011 21:59 GMT
#40
On November 04 2011 06:20 symbolic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2011 06:08 ForeverSleep wrote:
On November 03 2011 13:46 symbolic wrote:
On November 03 2011 11:16 unit wrote:
out of interest, what is your PvT style and are there any replays of you crushing solid upgraded mmmvg armies? in the lategame

My PvT style has actually evolved a lot over the time this replay pack was put together. During the earlier dated replays, I say it would lean more to robo play, such as quick colossi -> transition into chargelot archon -> then quick switch back to triple robo production colossi late late game. More recent replays will mostly be double forge play but with some quick colossi. Every PvT where I see a gas I go 2gate robo so I would play very reactionary from there. If I felt safe enough to go double forge, I would go it because I feel that that strategy snowballs the most efficiently. Other times if I feel I need earlier colossi to hold off pressure (or if I see that they are delaying teching for lots of MM pressure) then that is what I choose.

For specific replays displaying a strong late game against upgraded MMM, I will look through some of my more recent replays to cite specific examples for you.

Also, thank you everyone for the kind words. I hope everyone is enjoying the games!


I have a question, what do you do if you don't see a gas? Do you then proceed to get more gates to be prepare from an allin?

If I don't see a gas, I check for proxies and go 20nexus->20stalker->22stalker-> add 2gates -> pylon -> sentry -> gas and then get a robo a little bit after warpgate finishes and then just go from there.


ty!!!!!! do you have a fanpage? ^^
"Life is what happens to you while you’re busy making other plans" - John Lennon
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