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ecco's protoss grandmaster replay pack

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symbolic
Profile Joined August 2010
254 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-03 06:01:58
November 02 2011 03:45 GMT
#1
Hello, everyone. My online alias is "ecco" and I have been collecting replays from the last few months. These replays entail mostly fairly passive, macro based protoss play. There will be some though which will revolve around timing attacks and the rare cheese. Overall, these are some of the highest quality games that I have accumulated over the past months so I thought I'd share them.

This replay includes games with well known players such as,
blackcitadel (startalerainbow), colcatz, colminigun, colrsvp, colryze, dragon (slayersdragon), egincontrol, nony, nrgluckyfool, nrgostojiy, vpainuser, vtavilo and other, lesser known players.

http://www.mediafire.com/?8rj9h1vpn8mg93q

I hope that people will enjoy the games and hopefully be able to learn some things as well.

Also, if you enjoy my games and style of play, I stream at "twitch.tv/thebts" with some commentary so be sure to check it out if you wish to see more of me.

Cheers,
ecco
DropTester
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia608 Posts
November 02 2011 03:55 GMT
#2
these replays look good,
would it be possible for you to zip them up into one file so I can download them all at once?
that would be very helpful but nonetheless thanks for uploading them
krowe
Profile Joined April 2010
United States184 Posts
November 02 2011 04:05 GMT
#3
Nice, will have to watch. Have to aggree with DropTester though, would be easier if you could zip it up and download all at once.
sSoda
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States95 Posts
November 02 2011 04:17 GMT
#4
this guy loses to 1 marine 2 marauder push into cloak banshee all in, hes obviously not good.

JK this guy is a baller and a amazing protoss player
[uci] Fizik
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States263 Posts
November 02 2011 04:21 GMT
#5
Thanks for the replays
Liquid'HerO fan for LIFE.
symbolic
Profile Joined August 2010
254 Posts
November 02 2011 04:24 GMT
#6
I edited the replay pack link to make it cleaner.

All the replays are within a zip now.
pathy
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Taiwan619 Posts
November 02 2011 05:22 GMT
#7
dl'd. thanks for the share :D
Graphicscolosi suck
AceHawKK
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3 Posts
November 02 2011 06:55 GMT
#8
Great protoss player. These replays will help toss players looking for a solid playstyle
uurrnn
Profile Joined October 2010
United States19 Posts
November 02 2011 08:21 GMT
#9
Good stuff. Just finished watching ^^
ke3ph
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom4 Posts
November 02 2011 18:29 GMT
#10
Downloaded and watched 'v vileStRyKeR'. Hopefully they're all this good :D
Lite Kirby
Profile Joined November 2005
United States74 Posts
November 02 2011 18:41 GMT
#11
I'll watch these later, I'm looking forward to them!
Get upgrades, get observers, get storm.
ThE_OsToJiY
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Canada1167 Posts
November 02 2011 18:47 GMT
#12
this makes me want to stop losing on ladder >:|
@ostojiy
theAsakura
Profile Joined September 2011
United States33 Posts
November 02 2011 22:41 GMT
#13
Downloading now! :D Congratz by the way!
Robin_thewonder
Profile Joined April 2011
154 Posts
November 02 2011 23:45 GMT
#14
Ecco is the man
Offset
Profile Joined February 2011
United States10 Posts
November 03 2011 02:00 GMT
#15
Love the playstyle
You can play terran but you can't use the dishwasher
VelRa_G
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada304 Posts
November 03 2011 02:04 GMT
#16
Hey there thanks a lot for this package. I've been having difficulty with PvZ so I checked out yours and was pleased to find some consistency. I just have some questions about your 1 gate expand play.

1) You spend your chronoboosts trying to get as many sentry out before warp comes - do you find this is necessary for defending against certain plays?

2) Why do you opt not to get hallucination? Is the extra sentry really necessary? You play in the dark for quite awhile.

3) After you get 3 gates and a forge up, you grab a TC and a RF. On larger maps you seem to favour a faster TC. Is this because you find it's hard to secure a third base without colossi?

Thanks again for the replays!
Nuda Veritas
eNtitY~
Profile Joined January 2007
United States1293 Posts
November 03 2011 02:06 GMT
#17
Wow Tyler you've came so far. ^_^
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Robin_thewonder
Profile Joined April 2011
154 Posts
November 03 2011 02:12 GMT
#18
Fuckin Ecco man. So goooooooood.
QuackPocketDuck
Profile Joined January 2011
410 Posts
November 03 2011 02:16 GMT
#19
Cheers for the pack love learning from lesser known people will have a look soon =]
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unit
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2621 Posts
November 03 2011 02:16 GMT
#20
out of interest, what is your PvT style and are there any replays of you crushing solid upgraded mmmvg armies? in the lategame
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-03 02:18:12
November 03 2011 02:18 GMT
#21
You the man ecco. I jelly.
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ctrlaltleet
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States8 Posts
November 03 2011 02:23 GMT
#22
Great replay pack! Keep up the work!
I can eat alphabet soup and shit a better argument than that.
Kirschke
Profile Joined December 2010
United States19 Posts
November 03 2011 02:26 GMT
#23
good player.
junemermaid
Profile Joined September 2006
United States981 Posts
November 03 2011 02:49 GMT
#24
That was one goofy game vs avilo on metalopolis...
the UMP says YER OUT
Avan
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil121 Posts
November 03 2011 02:58 GMT
#25
Thank you very much, Brotoss! Gonna study the hell out of your replays :DD Adun Toridas ~\o
"I have never tasted Death, Zeratul. Nor shall I". Liquid'HerO FIGHTING!
symbolic
Profile Joined August 2010
254 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-03 04:47:29
November 03 2011 04:46 GMT
#26
On November 03 2011 11:16 unit wrote:
out of interest, what is your PvT style and are there any replays of you crushing solid upgraded mmmvg armies? in the lategame

My PvT style has actually evolved a lot over the time this replay pack was put together. During the earlier dated replays, I say it would lean more to robo play, such as quick colossi -> transition into chargelot archon -> then quick switch back to triple robo production colossi late late game. More recent replays will mostly be double forge play but with some quick colossi. Every PvT where I see a gas I go 2gate robo so I would play very reactionary from there. If I felt safe enough to go double forge, I would go it because I feel that that strategy snowballs the most efficiently. Other times if I feel I need earlier colossi to hold off pressure (or if I see that they are delaying teching for lots of MM pressure) then that is what I choose.

For specific replays displaying a strong late game against upgraded MMM, I will look through some of my more recent replays to cite specific examples for you.

Also, thank you everyone for the kind words. I hope everyone is enjoying the games!
unit
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2621 Posts
November 03 2011 04:55 GMT
#27
On November 03 2011 13:46 symbolic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2011 11:16 unit wrote:
out of interest, what is your PvT style and are there any replays of you crushing solid upgraded mmmvg armies? in the lategame

My PvT style has actually evolved a lot over the time this replay pack was put together. During the earlier dated replays, I say it would lean more to robo play, such as quick colossi -> transition into chargelot archon -> then quick switch back to triple robo production colossi late late game. More recent replays will mostly be double forge play but with some quick colossi. Every PvT where I see a gas I go 2gate robo so I would play very reactionary from there. If I felt safe enough to go double forge, I would go it because I feel that that strategy snowballs the most efficiently. Other times if I feel I need earlier colossi to hold off pressure (or if I see that they are delaying teching for lots of MM pressure) then that is what I choose.

For specific replays displaying a strong late game against upgraded MMM, I will look through some of my more recent replays to cite specific examples for you.

Also, thank you everyone for the kind words. I hope everyone is enjoying the games!

PERFECT!!!!!!!! the colossus into chargearchon back into colossus is one of my favorite ways to play the mu, i just tend to mess up the timing of switching back >.> 2gate robo is my favorite PvT opener :D and double forge (when not vs an allin) is one of my favorite PvT plays...sir...i am probably going to watch every single game you have to offer now :D

also im a fan already xD
Kuja
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States1759 Posts
November 03 2011 05:11 GMT
#28
Thanks for the replays, as a mid level masters player your really helping me iron my timings out.
“Who's to say that my light is better than your darkness? Who's to say death is better than your darkness? Who am I to say?”
MeatSnack
Profile Joined March 2011
United States23 Posts
November 03 2011 06:01 GMT
#29
THANK GOD. I've hit a huge plateau in Diamond league and I've been looking for material like this to go over.
LeakyBucket
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada76 Posts
November 03 2011 06:56 GMT
#30
Yeah this is great, The most important thing for me to work on is just macro and these replay's provide me with lots of straight forward macro builds, thanks alot!
Sphen5117
Profile Joined September 2011
United States413 Posts
November 03 2011 15:45 GMT
#31
symolic/ecco, I got a small question for you:

In PvT openers, you say you go 2gate robo. I find myself using gate-robo-gate+(optional third gate) lately and have had LOTS of success with it. As in like 73 percent winrate in my last 40ish PvT's.

By 2 gate robo do you mean the second gate comes after the robo? For the sake of stopping 1-1-1's, or else going chewing through bunkers shortly after they expand (which nets me most of my wins), I find getting the robo after the first gate works best, to get a fast obs and to start immortal production. The quick obs lets me get a concave from lowground onto his highground on many maps, and the constant immortal production afterwards is clutch for focus firing targets. I get the 3 gates total for pinch-warpins for offense or defense, but I haven't tried delaying my robo much.

Is there a specific time for your robo, or am I just putting too much emphasis on a minor detail?
symbolic
Profile Joined August 2010
254 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-03 17:09:59
November 03 2011 17:07 GMT
#32
On November 04 2011 00:45 Sphen5117 wrote:
symolic/ecco, I got a small question for you:

In PvT openers, you say you go 2gate robo. I find myself using gate-robo-gate+(optional third gate) lately and have had LOTS of success with it. As in like 73 percent winrate in my last 40ish PvT's.

By 2 gate robo do you mean the second gate comes after the robo? For the sake of stopping 1-1-1's, or else going chewing through bunkers shortly after they expand (which nets me most of my wins), I find getting the robo after the first gate works best, to get a fast obs and to start immortal production. The quick obs lets me get a concave from lowground onto his highground on many maps, and the constant immortal production afterwards is clutch for focus firing targets. I get the 3 gates total for pinch-warpins for offense or defense, but I haven't tried delaying my robo much.

Is there a specific time for your robo, or am I just putting too much emphasis on a minor detail?

I go gate -> robo -> gate every time I go 2gate robo. If I'm worried that there might be some sort of cheese, such as a proxy rax, then I will go zealot -> stalker -> sentry then add on robo but if I feel fairly safe I will cut the zealot and go stalker -> sentry -> robo. If you feel REALLY safe from any sort of pressure/cheese then you can go stalker -> robo (but I almost never do this).
Sphen5117
Profile Joined September 2011
United States413 Posts
November 03 2011 17:46 GMT
#33
Awesome, you totally just lined out the build I do, generally cutting the zealot, and usually starting a sentry before dropping robo. Glad to hear I'm on to something that a much better player uses. Also, in what situations do you not get an obs? I'm assuming they're few if any at all. If I'm pretty certain that he's doing a small, fast push with a couple marauders/marines, I'll maybe get the immortal out first, then obs second before more immortals.

TY for the response, btw.
OskO
Profile Joined February 2011
Argentina369 Posts
November 03 2011 18:07 GMT
#34
Much appreciated. I'll give 'em a look.
Though we strike at you from the shadows, do not think that we lack the courage to stand in the light.
Cracy
Profile Joined October 2011
Poland221 Posts
November 03 2011 18:17 GMT
#35
Thanks for replays. I'd like to have to for all this...
Oderint dum probent
Kyuki
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden1867 Posts
November 03 2011 18:55 GMT
#36
Thanks for this
Mada Mada Dane
symbolic
Profile Joined August 2010
254 Posts
November 03 2011 20:44 GMT
#37
On November 04 2011 02:46 Sphen5117 wrote:
Awesome, you totally just lined out the build I do, generally cutting the zealot, and usually starting a sentry before dropping robo. Glad to hear I'm on to something that a much better player uses. Also, in what situations do you not get an obs? I'm assuming they're few if any at all. If I'm pretty certain that he's doing a small, fast push with a couple marauders/marines, I'll maybe get the immortal out first, then obs second before more immortals.

TY for the response, btw.

In situations where I feel safe from early pressure, like 2rax with a few pulled scvs, then I chrono obs first but if I don't feel safe, then I go immortal -> obs. But yeah, that's pretty much what you said. There's never a time where I wouldn't get an obs eventually after going 2gate robo since the point of the build is to know what your opponent is doing.
ForeverSleep
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada920 Posts
November 03 2011 21:08 GMT
#38
On November 03 2011 13:46 symbolic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2011 11:16 unit wrote:
out of interest, what is your PvT style and are there any replays of you crushing solid upgraded mmmvg armies? in the lategame

My PvT style has actually evolved a lot over the time this replay pack was put together. During the earlier dated replays, I say it would lean more to robo play, such as quick colossi -> transition into chargelot archon -> then quick switch back to triple robo production colossi late late game. More recent replays will mostly be double forge play but with some quick colossi. Every PvT where I see a gas I go 2gate robo so I would play very reactionary from there. If I felt safe enough to go double forge, I would go it because I feel that that strategy snowballs the most efficiently. Other times if I feel I need earlier colossi to hold off pressure (or if I see that they are delaying teching for lots of MM pressure) then that is what I choose.

For specific replays displaying a strong late game against upgraded MMM, I will look through some of my more recent replays to cite specific examples for you.

Also, thank you everyone for the kind words. I hope everyone is enjoying the games!


I have a question, what do you do if you don't see a gas? Do you then proceed to get more gates to be prepare from an allin?
"Life is what happens to you while you’re busy making other plans" - John Lennon
symbolic
Profile Joined August 2010
254 Posts
November 03 2011 21:20 GMT
#39
On November 04 2011 06:08 ForeverSleep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2011 13:46 symbolic wrote:
On November 03 2011 11:16 unit wrote:
out of interest, what is your PvT style and are there any replays of you crushing solid upgraded mmmvg armies? in the lategame

My PvT style has actually evolved a lot over the time this replay pack was put together. During the earlier dated replays, I say it would lean more to robo play, such as quick colossi -> transition into chargelot archon -> then quick switch back to triple robo production colossi late late game. More recent replays will mostly be double forge play but with some quick colossi. Every PvT where I see a gas I go 2gate robo so I would play very reactionary from there. If I felt safe enough to go double forge, I would go it because I feel that that strategy snowballs the most efficiently. Other times if I feel I need earlier colossi to hold off pressure (or if I see that they are delaying teching for lots of MM pressure) then that is what I choose.

For specific replays displaying a strong late game against upgraded MMM, I will look through some of my more recent replays to cite specific examples for you.

Also, thank you everyone for the kind words. I hope everyone is enjoying the games!


I have a question, what do you do if you don't see a gas? Do you then proceed to get more gates to be prepare from an allin?

If I don't see a gas, I check for proxies and go 20nexus->20stalker->22stalker-> add 2gates -> pylon -> sentry -> gas and then get a robo a little bit after warpgate finishes and then just go from there.
ForeverSleep
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada920 Posts
November 03 2011 21:59 GMT
#40
On November 04 2011 06:20 symbolic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2011 06:08 ForeverSleep wrote:
On November 03 2011 13:46 symbolic wrote:
On November 03 2011 11:16 unit wrote:
out of interest, what is your PvT style and are there any replays of you crushing solid upgraded mmmvg armies? in the lategame

My PvT style has actually evolved a lot over the time this replay pack was put together. During the earlier dated replays, I say it would lean more to robo play, such as quick colossi -> transition into chargelot archon -> then quick switch back to triple robo production colossi late late game. More recent replays will mostly be double forge play but with some quick colossi. Every PvT where I see a gas I go 2gate robo so I would play very reactionary from there. If I felt safe enough to go double forge, I would go it because I feel that that strategy snowballs the most efficiently. Other times if I feel I need earlier colossi to hold off pressure (or if I see that they are delaying teching for lots of MM pressure) then that is what I choose.

For specific replays displaying a strong late game against upgraded MMM, I will look through some of my more recent replays to cite specific examples for you.

Also, thank you everyone for the kind words. I hope everyone is enjoying the games!


I have a question, what do you do if you don't see a gas? Do you then proceed to get more gates to be prepare from an allin?

If I don't see a gas, I check for proxies and go 20nexus->20stalker->22stalker-> add 2gates -> pylon -> sentry -> gas and then get a robo a little bit after warpgate finishes and then just go from there.


ty!!!!!! do you have a fanpage? ^^
"Life is what happens to you while you’re busy making other plans" - John Lennon
justiceknight
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Singapore5741 Posts
November 04 2011 06:30 GMT
#41
thanks for the replays and something happen when I click your replays

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


is that a glitch or something?
Zeromadcowz
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada241 Posts
November 04 2011 06:36 GMT
#42
no' that just means it needs to load an older version of the game because the replay is from a previous patch
Mr Pink
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom18 Posts
November 04 2011 10:48 GMT
#43
I just want to say thank you for sharing this. Your passive/reactive style matches up really well with the way I want to play Protoss, so it's really helpful to have these replays. In particular, I am finding your PvZ very interesting. I can't believe it's possible to get away with putting so little pressure on the Zerg!
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