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Destructor
United States18 Posts
On November 01 2011 11:35 BluePanther wrote: Or you just make your highest rating require presentation of their sponsorship contracts for verification that they are acting in good faith. Yeah, I'm definitely in favor of rewarding transparency. | ||
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Athox
Norway64 Posts
On November 01 2011 11:35 BluePanther wrote: Or you just make your highest rating require presentation of their sponsorship contracts for verification that they are acting in good faith. Now we're talking. But what about administration of this? Who's gonna get the copy of the contract? Who's gonna make sure they follow up?  What about all the russian tournaments? You speak russian? Chinese? Australian (herp derp)?  | ||
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maka.albarn
United States102 Posts
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SoKHo
Korea (South)1081 Posts
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Xyik
Canada728 Posts
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DuFFmAn69
United States78 Posts
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hysterial
United States2044 Posts
On November 01 2011 07:29 aTnClouD wrote: I think the same, but he thought it was wise to PM me saying I put ESWC in bad light for no reason and I might not get invited next year because of it. lol. An absolute joke, they wouldn't dare try to do this. This place will look like r/starcraft. | ||
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BluePanther
United States2776 Posts
On November 01 2011 11:42 Athox wrote: Now we're talking. But what about administration of this? Who's gonna get the copy of the contract? Who's gonna make sure they follow up? What about all the russian tournaments? You speak russian? Chinese? Australian (herp derp)? Shit, I'd probably do it for free if I had the support of some of the pros/teams. I don't have access to any of the contracts right now, I'm not one of those "in" guys, so it'd basically be a futile effort otherwise. Language help can be found in this community, I have no doubt. In the end, it means nothing more than what the community takes it for. Which is why you'd need someone big to help get it initiated (if for say, EG/mouz endorsed it and ask tournaments to get certified). I cannot do it on my own and have it gain traction, I do not believe. | ||
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Arcanne
United States1519 Posts
On November 01 2011 11:57 DuFFmAn69 wrote: i got 2nd place in ONEfireflash's tourney and was suppose to get $400 why back around February. i'm also still waiting for my money, and he's still a manager for ONE gaming :/ Oouch. Thought that was resolved | ||
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CeriseCherries
6170 Posts
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DariMa
Canada88 Posts
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ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
yeah thats pretty ffffffffed up. i remember him coming on tl telling everyone he was gonna pay up too. | ||
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Bodhi
United States180 Posts
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basballguy
United States35 Posts
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basballguy
United States35 Posts
Golfing Events Tennis Events Racing Events Poker Events Boxing Events I'd be interested to see someone with a lot of free time on their hands to dig up on the internet some example events (pro, amateur, whatever) and see what the turnaround time for payout on their events are. | ||
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pbjsandwich
United States443 Posts
On November 01 2011 12:13 basballguy wrote: Wow this thread is still going strong 12 hours later. most of the pros stopped posting though so in actuality the conversation is pretty dead | ||
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Ryder.
1117 Posts
On November 01 2011 11:31 Destructor wrote: You're right that the organizers aren't always the cause of the non-payment, but it's impractical for the community to keep track of the reliability of the sponsors -- that is properly the responsibility of the organizers to begin with. This system will only really hurt tournaments that make a habit of having these problems. If the organizers repeatedly make the same mistakes (i.e. unreliable sponsors who refuse payment), then the community is right to push them out of the business, so that someone else can take their place. Eh I dunno I would say that tournament organisers are most definitely the ones responsible for non-payment. They are running a goddamn business, it is their responsibility to be on top of their cash flow. Liabilities aren't conditional on whether or not you meet your cash flows lol when you owe somebody money you find a fucking way to pay them. Any other organisation with decent bargaining power (such as a bank or supplier of your goods) would laugh at you if you told them 'soz I know I said I would pay you but I can't until my money rolls in, brb 12 months', the only reason they are trying to pull this kind of shit on progamers is because they are just a single person with little amounts of money, knowledge of the law and capacity to enforce these obligations. I understand that they may have difficulties with sponsors ect but they should both a. give these guys a proper indication of when they can expect to receive their money and b. actually give it to them in a reasonable time. If they are going to make them wait 12 months they should probably give them interest on top of that as well. Would be great to have some sort of 3rd party to actually overseer this. | ||
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storm44
1293 Posts
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
On November 01 2011 12:16 pbjsandwich wrote: most of the pros stopped posting though so in actuality the conversation is pretty dead You know what that means right? They got to the pros and threatened them like they did cloud! Put the muzzle on them! Fight the power! | ||
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DoomsVille
Canada4885 Posts
On November 01 2011 07:29 aTnClouD wrote: I think the same, but he thought it was wise to PM me saying I put ESWC in bad light for no reason and I might not get invited next year because of it. lol. The event literally ended a week ago. It was disrespectful to include them in your list. I agree with what you're doing overall, but not with that part of it. If you wanted to ask them if you're going to get paid, go ahead and do it. You can't expect them to get everything done within a week. Especially given the fact that they paid out in a few weeks last year. He's right, you did paint them in a bad light by including them with everyone else. And the only reason was because they didn't contact you within a few days of the event? Doesn't seem fair at all. | ||
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