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G3nXsiS
United States656 Posts
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ES_JohnClark
United States1121 Posts
On November 01 2011 11:07 monx wrote: are you retarded? Always defending posts that defends this system. And like iNControl said, players have past experiences in other games too. A lot of events are just trolling the players by waiting so long to pay them. And you, as a manager (i suppose) of CSN you're defending this...rofl A player organization won't change a shit since it would be formed of players anyway. TL is a place to get shit out...like other medias...i don't understand why people like feel offended. I know CSN is doing it right but still why the approval? Please read my most current comments. I hope it helps you better understand why I am trying to remain level headed. I certainly do not want you or others to see me as defending actions that are irresponsible or fraud. I just think there are a lot of people jumping on the hate-wagon that lack a real understanding and I think it's bad for eSports. Yes.. its also bad for eSports to have organizations out there that fail to pay! | ||
Blizzard_torments_me
Romania199 Posts
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Thebbeuttiffulland
Brazil288 Posts
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Garnet
Vietnam9011 Posts
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DuFFmAn69
United States78 Posts
On November 01 2011 12:31 GenoPewPew wrote: That means that you should bother the hell out of Fireflash until he pays up i have, and he's promised to get it to me soon many times. the latest was him asking me for my real ID so he could contact me after mlg. but he recently removed me from real friend so i had to lurk in ONE's channel to get a hold of him, so that he could ignore all my comments. | ||
BlitchizSC2
United States306 Posts
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LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
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ThE_OsToJiY
Canada1167 Posts
On November 01 2011 13:39 LuckyFool wrote: yeah this is definitely a problem. I would like to vouch that any cevo run event in my experience has paid out very promptly and been very pleasant events to play in. I don't cash out or win stuff often (maybe once or twice small things a month) but they sent emails and as soon as you filled out paperwork they shipped prize and sent money. I can vouch that they didn't send me shit :\ | ||
CakeMaster
Canada65 Posts
If there was a comment on this already, shush, i didnt read it. | ||
worosei
Australia198 Posts
I am not excusing organisers who do not pay out, but I think a large part comes from bully mentality of sponsors, or general delay tactics of businesses. I think that a lot of these sponsors have 'bully' mentalities. A small online tournament manages to pick up a big name sponsor, say Logitech, to give a free mouse and $200 to the winner. There aren't many sponsors a small tournament organiser can go to, so even with late payment or being able to be bullied, these organisers dont have a choice. And then the problem is that payment eventually comes through, but it just takes a lot of time and effort to actually make them pay. Legal fees are huge, and especially at this international level, it seems impractical to take action against an international sponsor who likely has its own legal department, and the fees would be more than what the organiser is hoping to get. Further it jeopardises the ability to get sponsored anymore. With smaller-scaled sponsors, paying money is a tight balancing trick of paying at the last minute to keep your cashflows healthy and i guess maximising interest. There are often also company policies on when payments should be made, which delays payment. For the players receiving tournament money, I think this means they just face having ridiculously long waiting times to receive their money. (90 days for sponsor to pays organiser, 90 days for organiser to pay gamer) This is unfortunately thoroughly detrimental for pro-gamers who dont have any corporate body to assist in them getting money. Perhaps it would be nice seeing pro-gaming teams taking more active role in being able to assist with the debt collection of their players, although the interest in doing so seems minimal benefit to the pro-teams. Further I think it would also be thoroughly messy having your financials in essence controlled by your gaming team. It's annoying, you will get paid, however you have to constantly chase up on payments. If you do not chase, you just wont get paid as it gets 'lost' in the mail. Im curious to hear what stories organisers have had in getting their payment from sponsors, and would also like to find out from TeamLiquid, EG, FXO etc.. how difficult it is for them as pro-gaming teams to actually receive their sponsorship money too. | ||
NineteenSC2
Canada117 Posts
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LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
On November 01 2011 13:40 ThE_OsToJiY wrote: I can vouch that they didn't send me shit :\ what really? did you fill out forms in time? what event? that sucks...I won a bunch of stuff from some ttesports pro-am tournament or something it was managed by cevo people and I had a really positive experience.. >_<; | ||
Deshkar
Singapore1244 Posts
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akalarry
United States1978 Posts
i know for other competitive video games, tournaments that did not pay out have their names blacklisted on the main forums. no one would ever go to their tournaments again. | ||
olmnator
Panama30 Posts
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Chodes
Canada212 Posts
Poll: Will You Still Continue To Watch Tournaments Who Have Been Outed? No (132) Yes (34) Yes but wont like it (7) Never have never will now (3) 176 total votes Your vote: Will You Still Continue To Watch Tournaments Who Have Been Outed? (Vote): Yes | ||
Jonoman92
United States9101 Posts
If only TL ran everything... TL for SC2 KeSpa! | ||
sudo.era
United States300 Posts
On November 01 2011 07:29 aTnClouD wrote: I think the same, but he thought it was wise to PM me saying I put ESWC in bad light for no reason and I might not get invited next year because of it. lol. Tell them they're not getting my damn ad support. | ||
hybridsc
United States63 Posts
On November 01 2011 12:43 sermokala wrote: Thats such a weird pr response. He didn't post his response in the TL thread but the reddit thread in response to the tl thread. Its incredibly stupid as well as it just listed along with the other ones that havn't paid out to him yet. Darkforce backed him up with another list so that its just not his own raving about. He shouldn't talk like that at all. whoever bought the organization wants to use the brand so people can remember some of its history but not all of it? what kind of messed up stuff is that? The organizers should be aggressive in paying off and investigating if they paid or not like IPL instead of trying to make shame some player who blew the whistle on reddit. This exactly. Who the fuck is that guy to give shit to ClouD for bringing up an (obviously) important topic. ClouD even clarified his remarks and made special exception to ESWC. Quakerix is acting like this is some isolated incident, when in reality ESWC and other major tournaments all have similar problems of straight-up fraud. Why is it ClouD's responsibility to chase you guys down? Do you think his suspicions are unjust? Given the circumstances, I wouldn't say so. Your whole attitude on this topic is wrong. Take a note from IPL who, at least in appearance, seem like they're earnestly trying to fix their shit up and separate themselves from this shitshow. Instead you're acting all offended as if this post is a huge disservice to you guys. Well look it wouldn't be if you just paid the man and he cleared you guys publicly. What do you expect him to do when you show up with that condescending tone. What is ESWC without your players and fans? As an organization this is a chance to distinguish yourself and show that you care; not get all defensive. What horrible PR. (dumb fuck) And you know what, regardless of whether or not this issue has anything to do with the tournament organizers as opposed to the sponsors, my point is you shouldn't be pointing fingers at the players and fans. It's our duty to bring this shit up so it stops becoming a recurring problem. | ||
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