EPTPrize money in Starcraft 2 - Page 25
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SillyPrincess
Canada115 Posts
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On November 01 2011 03:37 VPGeneralHans wrote: You want me sending in private forms with your tax records and bank details o.o Imagine if you were a USA player, I'd need to know your social security number to do anything that deals with companies. If a player asks me to help them, I will help them of course. It's just not at a stage with real sports were they have lawyers and accountants bound by law to be private with a clients details. They are part of your org, I would expect they would trust you with that info. When I get a new job and my employer asks me for my SS card and shit I don't go "NO! I DON'T TRUST YOU! I will deal with the payroll company myself!" To answer your question, if I was a pro player on a pro team I would sure as shit want a manager doing his job. I would want to be a pro player, and not worry about shit besides playing. It's not like it's never been done, Korean managers actually do this. They sign up players for tournies, personally come online when any dispute happens and handle it personally, and if there is an issue with a payment, you better believe the manager will come asking. | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
How is this possible? How has it gone on for so long without more uproar? The community needs to get behind this and be unrelenting. We post 1000s of pages about meaningless petty drama, let's organize and do what's right by our pro players. First the timeline needs to be much quicker across the board in the payouts.. I mean what in the hell.. I'm glad darkforce got his NASL money but he only got it a week or two ago? NASL finished on July 10th that was nearly 3 months ago. Also darkforce is actually excited about that payout because it's faster than most? That's seriously disturbing. I don't even know where to begin on all the leagues/events that haven't paid out yet, unbelievable. It's the tournaments responsibility to have a structure payout system and it needs to be timely and professional. Players shouldn't be begging in emails for prize money, get the fuck out of here. I seriously don't even know what to say right now.. I'm so heated. I hope the community will join in my fervor and make this change, it's disgusting. edit: reading more about this nitpicking of manager responsibility and tournament admins etc., just reinforces that starcraft and esports as a whole is at an infantile age. We can all see the growth and be wow'd by the crowds but it's quite clear on the whole (some expections always) esports is run by amateurs moonlighting as professionals. Team managers have day jobs, they run teams for fun on the side. The fact of the matter is at this level, with this kind of money being thrown around teams need have full time dedicated staff that are professional and know what the fuck they are doing. This isn't running clans on bnet anymore, this is a world wide industry. Teams, players, and events need to step it up, bottomline. | ||
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fyndor
United States159 Posts
On November 01 2011 02:08 Joshy.IGN wrote: IPL 2's grand final aired on August 14th, not even 90 days ago. It amazes me that you think this is acceptable. | ||
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TAAF
Switzerland226 Posts
But this is the problem we as a community and the Teams and players have to stand up against and force the promissed money or we will never be taken serious as a Sport. I just hope this gets alot more professional. Great thread ClouD and I wish you and every other gamer who has not recieved prize money yet best of luck with that. | ||
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pbjsandwich
United States443 Posts
On November 01 2011 03:42 fyndor wrote: It amazes me that you think this is acceptable. lol you apparently have no idea how a lot of this works you're amazed because your view of how things should be don't fit how things are | ||
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mki
Poland882 Posts
On November 01 2011 03:37 VPGeneralHans wrote: You want me sending in private forms with your tax records and bank details o.o Imagine if you were a USA player, I'd need to know your social security number to do anything that deals with companies. If a player asks me to help them, I will help them of course. It's just not at a stage with real sports were they have lawyers and accountants bound by law to be private with a clients details. You cannot be serious... I have a lot of respect for CheckSix having worked for the organization before and getting along with all the managers there however your statement(s) put the entire organization in a bad light (in my eyes at least). A manager's job is to make sure a player has AS LITTLE to worry about as possible. This includes and certainly is not limited to keeping open dialogues with tournament organizers to make sure prize money is getting to the players. This has been stated multiple times in multiple threads before but this is why we need a GLOBAL governing body kind of like FIFA in soccer. Or at the very least, a website which tracks and allows players to submit statements for public viewing stating which competitions do and don't pay out. Would be nice to see a sub-page on TL.net as they probably have the means to put something like this together. | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
On November 01 2011 03:42 fyndor wrote: It amazes me that you think this is acceptable. Yeah, it's shocking really. | ||
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price
United States297 Posts
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Teiwaz
Austria158 Posts
On November 01 2011 03:42 fyndor wrote: It amazes me that you think this is acceptable. It amazes me that some people still don't get it that up to 90 days of waiting after the tourney finished is fucking usual... On November 01 2011 03:46 price wrote: so those giant checks they give people on stage aren't real? I lol'ed  | ||
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vegass13
Bulgaria3 Posts
On November 01 2011 02:46 IdrA wrote: it had been paid, more than a year late. esl pays what they owe, its just always ridiculously late and requires a lot of prodding. Have won several times EPS finals + other esl tournaments in another game and always had to wait up to a year to receive my winnings.Wonder what would happen if i didn't contact them.Probably wouldn't receive even a penny. Would be nice if after a tournament someone from the staff contacted you to ask for your bank details and tell you an estimate on getting what you've won. | ||
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chadissilent
Canada1187 Posts
On November 01 2011 03:42 fyndor wrote: It amazes me that you think this is acceptable. Do you have ANY experience at all in the business world? 90 days for money to go from sponsor -> organization -> players is acceptable. If both the sponsor and organization have 30 day processing times, that's 2 months assuming the payment begins processing the day the tournament ends. This doesn't include players submitting banking info/filling out forms/etc. | ||
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Seronei
Sweden991 Posts
On November 01 2011 03:47 Teiwaz wrote: It amazes me that some people still don't get it that up to 90 days of waiting after the tourney finished is fucking usual... Just because it's usual doesn't mean that it's acceptable. | ||
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FlyingDJ
Germany153 Posts
Don't simply blame others... | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On November 01 2011 03:37 Teiwaz wrote: That's how US law works and tries to force itself on every other fucking country. Doesn't work so on every other part of the world. European tournament + US sponsor? Going to court? Not so easy. But I'm no lawyer... Ok, first off, they likely do have contracts. But contracts are not magic and cannot remove money from a sponsors back account. Attempting to get a money judgment against a tournament would be a pain at best. I work in debt collecting and forcing people to pay is hard. Even with a contract, the Court will not just award you the money if the other side has a good reason for not paying you timely. If it would bankrupt them, cause them to fire employees or other issues, they may allow them to take their time paying you. Court function in the real world, not the world of promises on paper. Thats why they should be avoided. And if the tournament is in a different country than the player/team, forget it. Overseas service of process is a nightmare and not worth the time. That being said, I strongly encourge teams to bring legal actions against tournaments who fail to pay. The case may never go to Court, but the bad press and legal costs of responding will make everyone think twice about doing it again. | ||
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TheBomb
237 Posts
Nice job of supporting e-sports blizzard, more like robbing the small amount of money the players should be getting. This is why I've written in the related threads so much about this, its like Blizzard is doing everything to stop e-sports and get on the back on it and try to suck it dry, while we have players and even casters not getting payed for months or at all. I also think the prices will shrink, because while there is a lot of hype the audience for SC2 is not that big. I mean 100k unique viewers is not that much for a high level 100k in prizes tournament over 3 or 4 days. | ||
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ES_JohnClark
United States1121 Posts
On November 01 2011 03:46 price wrote: so those giant checks they give people on stage aren't real? Best comment of the thread! | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On November 01 2011 03:47 chadissilent wrote: Do you have ANY experience at all in the business world? 90 days for money to go from sponsor -> organization -> players is acceptable. If both the sponsor and organization have 30 day processing times, that's 2 months assuming the payment begins processing the day the tournament ends. This doesn't include players submitting banking info/filling out forms/etc. Yea it's only when actual goods are transfering to things get tricky. Even then most places have some kind of debt/credit system to allow for processing time so things can continue smoothly while accounting departments get their shit together. Personally I think the corporate model is just terrible. | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6322 Posts
On November 01 2011 03:47 chadissilent wrote: Do you have ANY experience at all in the business world? 90 days for money to go from sponsor -> organization -> players is acceptable. If both the sponsor and organization have 30 day processing times, that's 2 months assuming the payment begins processing the day the tournament ends. This doesn't include players submitting banking info/filling out forms/etc. hmmm isn't 60 days standard? Well 90 days aint that bad either but more than that is just ridiculous. | ||
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Thorakh
Netherlands1788 Posts
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. I think what would be a bit more professional is organizations paying money out within reasonable timeframes. 
