EPTHowever on the whole this is worrying for E-Sport, perhaps we're in a larger bubble then we know, hopefully not though.
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Deshkar
Singapore1244 Posts
However on the whole this is worrying for E-Sport, perhaps we're in a larger bubble then we know, hopefully not though. | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On November 01 2011 02:59 Seronei wrote: The people that run the tournaments should make sure they have all the prizemoney ready to pay out before they announce the tournament. Anything longer than 1 month is unacceptable and shows that the tournament organizer doesn't have the money secure before promising a huge prize pool. Well, 3 months should be still acceptable, assuming they announced it to be that way and are still on time on their payment. Somehow, this is roughly the time it takes for my university to reimburse me for my travel costs. But if we talk about more than half a year, then we're starting to get into the ridiculous time span. | ||
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Azurues
Malaysia5612 Posts
What about major tournaments such as MLG,Dreamhack and whatever u guys can think of doing so far? I hope they are not doing the lengthy delay. At most 1 month the prize money should be delayed. More than that it is just unfair. Progamer depended heavily on those money to continue playing. What a shocking discovery here. Credits to Cloud for bringing up this topic. | ||
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Dr_Jones
Norway252 Posts
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On November 01 2011 03:02 Dr_Jones wrote: Am I completely bonkers for thinking that this is a managerial issue, that should be dealt with by the team managers for the players involved? It just seems odd that it isnt a bit more professional than this :/ Actually, I feel the same about that. Each time should have somebody who is responsible for stuff like that. | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
On November 01 2011 00:52 GTR wrote: That's good to hear that you got your prize money from NASL. I was sceptic (and even called in to Weapon of Choice to discuss) whether if NASL would pay out their prize money (considering they sort of came out of nowhere announcing huge ass prizes). Sup son !! | ||
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aTnClouD
Italy2428 Posts
On November 01 2011 02:32 Tyrania wrote: Hey Cloud. i am representative and ceo of gaming insight. we are running the XMG GI Cup you mentioned in you very first post. First of all, i´d like to point out that all of you guys definetly deserve your money, especially big companys should be able to pay this almost instantly, because prize money is almost always just a small piece of total event costs that come along with events of such a size. You won 50 Euros at our XMG Gaming Insight SC2 Qualifier last saturday night, which is not even 48 hours ago right now. I got your paypal email adress in the logs and you paypal money has already been sent like all other winners of the qualifiers before got their money and all future winner will. Some days delay are due to the money transfers in the background and after all, it needs to be at least a working day for the guys in the office :D We got all money and support from our sponsors XMG, Gameladen, Need for Seat and Steelseries in advance and will be able to give away that 1500Euros and the Notebook instantly in the final invitational tournament as well. So I would really appreciate if tournament holders gather their prize pool before holding the event itself, even thoug i know it is not always that easy to get some money in advance. So i am totally with you guys, you deserve all that prize money! But after all please point out that XMG Gaming Insight does not owe you money, we pay our bills  Cheers Mike Gaming Insight Thanks for your answer man, I was told by an admin I would have been contacted very soon but nothing happened so I started to worry a bit. Please excuse me for being paranoid and throwing in your name but after all these bad experiences I just don't expect anyone in esport to be trustworthy before I see a proof of it. | ||
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aike
United States1629 Posts
On November 01 2011 02:47 csn_JohnClark wrote: gawd..this is getting out of hand. Too many people who have little understanding of business are trashing organizations that have continued to help grow eSports. YES.. it is wrong and unacceptable not to pay out in a fairly timely manner.. but 3 months is nothing new to the business world and we cant be throwing shit around about not being paid within a week or 30 days. Who cares if it's nothing new? How about... tournaments should have prize money ON HAND before hosting a tournament. It's bullshit for them to say "$100k first place prize!" but then when they don't pay it their excuse is "sponsors haven't payed us yet sorry" DONT FUCKING HOST A TOURNAMENT IF YOUR SPONSORS HAVEN'T GIVEN YOU THE MONEY YET. Stop acting like just because this has always been like this that it is ok to keep happening. There is no reason money shouldn't be payed out within a month. IPL talking about paperwork and all that stuff, but they should have had this done and cleared up before the event even happens, they should only need to fill in the blank of the actual players name and have it be done with. | ||
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piknic
Canada59 Posts
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
losing players from a big pool like fxo is huge | ||
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ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
On November 01 2011 03:02 Dr_Jones wrote: Am I completely bonkers for thinking that this is a managerial issue, that should be dealt with by the team managers for the players involved? It just seems odd that it isnt a bit more professional than this :/ Yes you are completely bonkers . I think what would be a bit more professional is organizations paying money out within reasonable timeframes. | ||
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luuk
Austria386 Posts
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ES_JohnClark
United States1121 Posts
On November 01 2011 02:55 ThaZenith wrote: Guys, stop spazzing out over a 3 month pay period. That really isn't that much. The real problem is tournaments that require harassment to pay, or take longer than said to pay out. If they say they'll pay out in 3 months, and pay out in 2 and 1/2 months, leave them alone. >.> Sounds like most of the NA tournaments are pretty good (IPL, MLG, NASL) but sometimes random mistakes happen and people might not get paid, and it'll be worked out. well said.. and let's hope some of those commenting in this thread can take a deep breath. To clarify something though.. not every business is the same and for those calling for a 30 or 60 day maximum.. you are barking up a big tree. I agree that a 'standard' needs to be set.. (again).. but in the past, that standard was 3-6 months and was happening long before many of you graced the world of esports. Accept this as a starting standard and lets work from there. If putting together a 'new standard' means (as a community) we fight for 60 days.. so be it.. but lets be reasonable in our expectations. | ||
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driftme
United States360 Posts
On November 01 2011 02:53 Teiwaz wrote: 2.) Big tournaments have huge business behind them. Players have to understand the bureaucracy behind all that and that it actually takes some time for those companies to get the payment done. Yes, big tourneys do have big business behind them. Yes, there is bureaucracy in any large business, but there is also still an accounting department that has to handle accounts payable, usually on a net-30 or 60 basis for something like this. [EDIT: Just to clarify im talking about a business submitting payment for advertisement or a sponsorship of an event, not paying tournament winners. When a business sponsors an event, the payment is usually expected from the sponsored entity on a net 30/60 basis, if not before the event. Granted, I've never run an esports sponsored event, but I've dealt with many different types of organizations, sponsorships, and events, and thats how it works in the non-esports world.] Its not like the tournament ends and then the tourney asks the sponsors to pay the players. The sponsorship costs go toward things like the advertising and signs you see around, and then the organizers use that money to pay the players. There is a paper trail and generally accepted accounting practice for this type of stuff. That's not a valid excuse for the organizer. Also, bigger tournaments are put on by organizations that DO have money.. they should be able to have the money in place to pay the players ahead of time, especially with the lead time for the larger tournaments. Its not a logistics problem, its an issue of the organizers not holding true to their word. Of course there are situations where a payment doesnt go through correctly or something, and mistakes DO happen in even the best accounting departments.. but those mistakes are generally caught before "closing the books". Things have to balance out =] | ||
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Tyrania
Germany24 Posts
On November 01 2011 02:54 zachMEISTER wrote: Fine, don't call it defending themselves. It's still Corporate Responsibility. And that is what is a bad thing... Truely! We as a small company really have to work hard to get a tournament up and running and it really is difficult to get prize money from sponsors, at least if you talk about 1k Euro plus in total. We don´t want to be named in one sentence with companys that could easily pay prize money right away, because their events itself takes a ton more of money to even be held. Image a big live tournament with the Event location not being payed either in advance or 30 days after. Or the technic companys that come and broadcast, film, lift huge beamers in front of stages and all that stuff. This all takes way more that a wacky few bucks of prize money, which it is compared to the rest of the costs. So yes, you are right, now i am defending myself even thou i am not guilty. Name those who dont pay, but leave those out who work hard to get those tournaments up and running. Cheers Mike | ||
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wDDelete
103 Posts
Maybe someone should make a database where pro players with tourney winnings. The data would be public where players can make that they have received the money and the entity responsible can also mark that they have send the money. This way the community can keep track of how things are going and adds pressure to some of these companies. | ||
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zZygote
Canada898 Posts
On November 01 2011 02:58 NeWeNiyaLord wrote: What!? This is outragious! I feel like the best action for viewers and fans at the moment. Is to try to get as much information as possible, about the events that have not payed up in a decent time. With genuine sources and facts. And boycott that tournament/event. I realize that this might also hurt the players because of the viewers will lower, the sponsors dont get as much attention as they want, and tournament gets a bad reputation. But this really cannot go on. not only for the sake of the players, but who would watch a tournament where you know that the admins are total douchebags? and they might not pay your favorite player if he actually wins the tournament. Does the player not deserve any recognition other than a "high five you wun!" After reading this thread, it has definately changed my hole perspective of ESL and others not paying up the money they OWE Yes it might get delayed. But the most important thing for a player is 1) Get his accomplishments out there 2) Gain fans ( So sponsors would want a percentage of the fanbase (viewers) 3) Get the prize money they deserve I'm sure there are more points to this, but as i've just read this thread. And did not know this was going on. I'm sure players can enlighten us tho. I'm sorry if this sounds abit biased. But after hearing all this. And the companies not really giving a crap about telling the players whats going on with their honest paydays. I'm very upset. What do you say Esport fans? Would you boicott the tournaments responsible, given the fact that all this is true? It wouldn't be possible to get most progamers to deny an event that includes money, some really need it. Tournaments will scoff at the decision you made because there are semi-pros who'll gladly take a hit to gain a fanbase or have their time in the limelight. An international body is needed. Whenever people deal with money it tends to be a very serious topic. Gaming for these guys is work, how can they feed themselves if they never even get to see the money they work for. | ||
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Tivo17
5 Posts
Did you sign a TOS, Contract, or any other form of waiver before competing in the tournament/cup? If you did post it here or at the very least look at it and see if there is a time period. If you did not sign one of these "contracts" the cup or tour is likely not liable to pay you anything let alone with in a reasonable time frame. Do not play in a tournament that does not have the rules, TOS, and/or contract laid out in front of you before you sign up. | ||
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HappyChris
1534 Posts
I hope all organisation starts focusing abit that players actually recieve there price money in a timely fascion. Becuase you need eachother. The players need organisation to play tournaments and organisation needs the players to get sponsors. | ||
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
 i start to realise why korea have KESPA | ||
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