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On October 26 2011 07:39 GhostOwl wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2011 07:38 Thobrik wrote:
I can't believe they didn't touch the bunker. I really strongly feel terrans should get at the very least 77% of the resources back from salvaging rather than the petty 75. Can you explain your reasoning? Why is getting 75% of the cost not good enough when no other races can get 75% back after constructing a building?
Was a joke, Blizzard has been notorious for changing the bunker in every single patch. So now when they don't change the bunker you get posts like the one you replied to 
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I think this goes in the right direction let's give it a try, but Protoss has a new route to pursue, the upgrade route.
That being said:
1- This is still PTR, so let's not assume this is 100% the patch we're gonna get
2- I can't believe that a good amount of Toss players in this thread are actually complaining about the changes. Not enough, reaaaaally?
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In most situations, I see many terrans making more ghosts than they need and throw down more than whats actually necessary to cover the entire protoss army. This will just put all of those extra ghosts and EMPs to effective use assuming Terran has half a brain to spread his EMPs better.
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On October 26 2011 09:57 GreyMasta wrote:
I think this goes in the right direction let's give it a try, but Protoss has a new route to pursue, the upgrade route.
That being said:
1- This is still PTR, so let's not assume this is 100% the patch we're gonna get
2- I can't believe that a good amount of Toss players in this thread are actually complaining about the changes. Not enough, reaaaaally?
Every race has players that will never be satisfied. I personally don't get it. I think even a minor positive change is a big step.
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On October 26 2011 09:51 TimeSpiral wrote:People will always QQ about Terran, so whatever about that. + Show Spoiler [racist eyes only] +The whole community has this weird racist tendency to hate Terran. It's pretty funny, actually. But hey, you can't truly have a social community without an outlet for latent real-life racism and discrimination  But Protoss already has an upgrade advantage, especially in TvP. The shields, I can see, as that is a very niche Toss thing, but weapons upgrades too? Nah. That doesn't make any sense.
Making sweeping generalizations about our community being racist, ignoring in-game imbalances, and not reading the thread as to why the patch changes might just be justified?
Cool beans. 3 for 3.
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On October 26 2011 09:48 Arkless wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2011 09:43 Cloud9157 wrote:On October 26 2011 09:34 jazzman wrote:
You do realize that EMP can still take 40% of a colossus HP bar right?
Lets see what feedback can do: Instant kill: Banshee, medivac, ghost Deal 200 damage to Thor/BC Want to know why Terran only go bio vs P? Because every other unit is useless and a liability. EMP your Thors/BCs.
Ghosts outrange HTs. Send one in to feedback as many as it can? Have 2 snipes. Banshees are utterly useless except for harass or 1/1/1. They're rarely even used in large numbers in a macro game. Medivacs I'll give you. You overlook the fact that HTs are slow as hell and can be seen coming from a mile away. Send 3 or 4 units in to kill it, gg. Derp, thats what we did in beta and blizz made cannons on cd instead of mana on thors ( dont get me started as why a fucking machine shouldn't have mana) for that exact reason. Not only that, but it's retarded to have to cast an emp on your own army.......... And yeah, on your second point. Sacking 4ish marauders or what have you to POSSIBLY kill 1 HT isn't cost effective in any way shape or form.
You WILL kill the HT if it is by itself. Stim them and run at it. If Protoss wants to chase you away get ready with your own army.
Why is it retarded? HTs will demolish them if you don't. Boxer did it in NASL vs Mana.
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Ah yes, cheaper upgrades for protoss. I felt like PvP games were really dragging on too long, it nice that that there are now decisive push timings to curb game length.
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Nice.. This will help protoss a TON.. 
PvT seems quite balanced until late-game where i think protoss becomes quite powerful
Cheaper upgrades seemed like a good idea because protoss is usually strapped for gas all the time.
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I think this will play a very VERY big roll in the later game, the 300 gas that is used for the each of the 3/3 upgrades is alot even in the end game, but 200 ? meeh
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On October 26 2011 09:57 GreyMasta wrote:
I think this goes in the right direction let's give it a try, but Protoss has a new route to pursue, the upgrade route.
That being said:
1- This is still PTR, so let's not assume this is 100% the patch we're gonna get
2- I can't believe that a good amount of Toss players in this thread are actually complaining about the changes. Not enough, reaaaaally?
A lot of the Protoss' "complaining" in this thread stems from the people saying that Ghosts didn't need an EMP nerf.
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First the ladder map pool, and now this??? I'm starting to think that Blizzard really does listen to their fan base :p In all seriousness though, good changes!
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On October 26 2011 09:56 jazzman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2011 09:50 Whitewing wrote:
Ghost is horrifically overpowered lategame TvZ, and it's because snipe is spammable with no CD. Kind of like infested Terrans?
I think infested terrans need a nerf too, so yeah. Infested Terrans don't hardcounter an entire race though.
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I'm somewhat okay with this or an increase in food cost for a ghost would have been okay also.
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So I hard the 1-1-1 is OP.
Lets nerf standard macro play instead.
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On October 26 2011 09:58 eNyoron wrote:
Ah yes, cheaper upgrades for protoss. I felt like PvP games were really dragging on too long, it nice that that there are now decisive push timings to curb game length.
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I laughed out loud at your sarcasm. The little face at the bottom sealed the deal. Good show.
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On October 26 2011 09:59 Zidane wrote:
I'm somewhat okay with this or an increase in food cost for a ghost would have been okay also.
Ghosts are monetarily pretty expensive. Plus, they cost 2 food each. I think that's pretty fair. What are you looking for? 3 food cost?
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Would've liked to have seen a snipe nerf over an EMP nerf honestly. But still, nice. Not sure the reasoning behind the protoss upgrades though. Sure they cost more, but you can chrono them so the amount of time it takes to collect the extra resources is nullified... I kinda see that not making it through the PTR. Maybe shields, but as a former Protoss player I never was too peeved about how much the other ones cost.
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lol i did not expect blizzard to lower the cost for weapon and armor too xD
time to see terran rage about emp haha
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On October 26 2011 09:50 iamke55 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2011 09:48 XRaDiiX wrote:
This is so disappointing as Zerg; Protoss already get to chronoboost their upgrades now their gonna get cheaper chronoboosted upgrades.
Thus spells doom vs Zerg. Protoss upgrades are way more beneficial To a Protoss army than zerg upgrades are to a zerg
lol? +1 weapons for stalkers is canceled out by +1 armor for roaches. +1 ranged for roaches is canceled out by +2 armor and +2 shields for stalkers.
I think he means that a lot of protoss unit hits twice. Zealot and collosus comes to mind, thus makng the weapon upgrades twice as powerful.
On October 26 2011 09:59 jazzman wrote:
So I hard the 1-1-1 is OP.
Lets nerf standard macro play instead.
I think 1-1-1 will be figured out soon enough. It's kind of like the 2 rax marine /scv all in from the second GSL that wiped the floor with so many zergs. Nowadays it's a complete joke, and none does it.
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On October 26 2011 09:50 iamke55 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2011 09:48 XRaDiiX wrote:
This is so disappointing as Zerg; Protoss already get to chronoboost their upgrades now their gonna get cheaper chronoboosted upgrades.
Thus spells doom vs Zerg. Protoss upgrades are way more beneficial To a Protoss army than zerg upgrades are to a zerg
lol? +1 weapons for stalkers is canceled out by +1 armor for roaches. +1 ranged for roaches is canceled out by +2 armor and +2 shields for stalkers.
Couldn't you say the same for Zerg vs Protoss upgrades;'it works both ways but you get chronoboost and not to mention you have colossus and immortAls out way before broods come into the mix. Also Zerg relies on air units vs colossi which comes hand in hand with the need for air upgrades .
Fundamentally Zerg has to upgrade two different tech paths to have complete late game army (standard army) Protoss doesn't .
This patch If anything is gonna break zergs
Also dont colossi and immortal damage benefit hugely from + weapons upgrades it pretty much negates Zerg armor because of the initial damage + huge increase added onto initial damage for colossi immortals
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