If you ask me, all that should happen is that the pylon field has to travel up the wall of the cliff resulting in a smaller piece of pylon power reaching the high ground. This would force pylons to be placed basically right next to the cliff for high ground warpins to occur. Proper base vision/building placement would easily spot any low ground pylons that could allow high ground warpins.

This also makes sense if you think of pylon power as a sphere... the 2D ring of power is fattest at ground height, at cliff height the ring would be smaller and the result would be exactly the same as described above.

Here's a terrible paint drawing to illustrate:
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As you can see, the energy field simply has less reach when having to travel up a wall allowing only a small area on the high ground in the example. It can be explained either way logically and is a good compromise, IMO.

Telsh

United States148 Posts

June 11 2012 22:23 GMT

#742

Did anyone testing at MLG check this out? is it still in HOTS

Berailfor

441 Posts

June 11 2012 22:28 GMT

#743

It isn't the worst change ever. Yes the most applicable use that was cool and will be missed was the hallucination warpins. But that was really gimmicky anyway. So it's not that big of a deal if it goes through

strongandbig

United States4858 Posts

June 11 2012 22:31 GMT

#744

This will be terrible for cannon rushing in 3v3 and 4v4 games.

THAT IS IMPORTANT GUYS.

(but seriously, this will make me sad.)

Dontkillme

Korea (South)806 Posts

June 11 2012 22:38 GMT

#745

Yay no more cannon rushes :D Or cheesy warping onto high grounds. About time.

i)awn

United States189 Posts

June 11 2012 22:46 GMT

#746

I don't know what to think of this but from my experience warping from lower ground isn't that horrible. The guy did build a pylon down there; simply watching your ramp is not enough to be safe and that's how it should be. I'm not sure what they are trying to target canon rushes or just warpins.

speknek

758 Posts

June 11 2012 22:50 GMT

#747

any attempt to fix the warpgate mechanic seems good to me

AGIANTSMURF

United States1232 Posts

June 11 2012 22:51 GMT

#748

this will kill alot of harassment strats that involve warping in with high ground vision

Swords

6038 Posts

June 11 2012 22:53 GMT

#749

So is it still in? Major change if so.

AcrossFiveJulys

United States3612 Posts

June 11 2012 22:54 GMT

#750

This doesn't really feel necessary to me, as I think the issue was more or less fixed when they reduced the pylon radius (which was hugely needed). However, I think anything that makes cheese a bit weaker is a good thing. If it were up to me, I'd take warpin completely away from pylons and only allow it with warp prisms (with some slight buffs to make up for it).

pzea469

United States1520 Posts

June 11 2012 22:54 GMT

#751

I like this as a toss user, but I wouldn't mind the pylon range back now.

TeamBanished

United States301 Posts

June 11 2012 22:54 GMT

#752

I actually like this being a Protoss player, invites players to try and get Warp Prism's more often.

YyapSsap

New Zealand1511 Posts

June 11 2012 22:55 GMT

#753

Wait so why are people getting the idea that protoss is getting nerfed "again"? They've been buffed in almost every single patch yet the slightest tweak to the warp in mechanic has trigged those very same QQers that the world is going to end..

I actually like this. Do not confuse volatility and creativity. I would take consistency over volatility which is probably the best word that describes any PvX matchups. The problem SC2 faces is that even if you have options, most of them are 1D. Its like a tree with many short roots, not few deep ones with many more branching off the main root.

eviltomahawk

United States11133 Posts

June 11 2012 23:00 GMT

#754

All this complaining is cool and all, but I'm still wondering if this was implemented in the MLG Anaheim pre-Beta build of HotS.

herrmus

Sweden144 Posts

June 11 2012 23:12 GMT

#755

da fuq?

User was temp banned for this post.

Gladiator6

Sweden7024 Posts

June 11 2012 23:19 GMT

#756

I thought 4 gate was already dead with not being able to use it on ramp, now they're doing this? It just limits the creativity in the game, sigh...

JOJOsc2news

3000 Posts

June 11 2012 23:22 GMT

#757

On June 12 2012 08:00 eviltomahawk wrote:
All this complaining is cool and all, but I'm still wondering if this was implemented in the MLG Anaheim pre-Beta build of HotS.

When I saw this thread being necroed I thought someone posted whether or not that was the case at the HOTS play stations at MLG Anaheim

Does anyone know if this was in the Anaheim build?
Edit: Not a fan of that change at all.

WHyTePoWeR

Korea (South)132 Posts

June 11 2012 23:23 GMT

#758

wow this is some retarded shit, it completely screws over some viable strategies like the 4gate +1 void ray warp into main thing pretty stupid change

Shebuha

Canada1335 Posts

June 11 2012 23:24 GMT

#759

On June 12 2012 08:19 Gladiator333 wrote:
I thought 4 gate was already dead with not being able to use it on ramp, now they're doing this? It just limits the creativity in the game, sigh...

Yeah, you can't even do cute 3 gate stuff on Tal'darim / Entombed vs. 1 rax expand. Those were some of my favourite plays ever!!! You're really right... it just limits people from doing cute warp in tactics and cannon crap as well, which I suppose isn't so bad

Shantastic

United States435 Posts

June 11 2012 23:25 GMT

#760

You can still cannon rush, but it'll be harder. You'll have to build a pylon on the high ground first under the protection of your cannons on the low ground.

This is a stupid change IMO. The mechanics of low pylon + high-ground vision warp-ins made for much more interesting early-game, especially in PvP, where defending the ramp was so key to holding the attack.