• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 13:50
CEST 19:50
KST 02:50
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists14[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow9[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash10[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy21
Community News
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers11Maestros of the Game 2 announced32026 GSL Tour plans announced10Weekly Cups (April 6-12): herO doubles, "Villains" prevail1MaNa leaves Team Liquid20
StarCraft 2
General
Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists Weekly Cups (April 6-12): herO doubles, "Villains" prevail MaNa leaves Team Liquid Oliveira Would Have Returned If EWC Continued 2026 GSL Tour plans announced
Tourneys
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) SEL Doubles (SC Evo Bimonthly) $5,000 WardiTV TLMC tournament - Presented by Monster Energy
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 521 Memorable Boss The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 520 Moving Fees Mutation # 519 Inner Power
Brood War
General
ASL21 General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Pros React To: Tulbo in Ro.16 Group A RepMastered™: replay sharing and analyzer site BW General Discussion
Tourneys
Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [ASL21] Ro16 Group A [ASL21] Ro16 Group B [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend? Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
McBoner: A hockey love story 2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
[G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Reappraising The Situation T…
TrAiDoS
lurker extra damage testi…
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2130 users

In HOTS, low pylons no longer power high ground - Page 3

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 50 51 52 Next
Firesilver
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom1190 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-24 09:58:25
October 24 2011 09:57 GMT
#41
I really hope this change is reverted, unnecessary and stupid in my opinion.
Caster at IMBA.tv -- www.twitter.com/IMBAFiresilver -- www.youtube.com/FiresilverTV
Felo
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Germany392 Posts
October 24 2011 09:58 GMT
#42
I willl miss stuff like this q.q

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


It takes away a lot of versatility from stargate units and is in that sense an indirect nerf to them - I also fail to see how this "buffs" the Warp Prism. Being forced to use something is not equivalent to a buff ^^
EU GML P | Check my Stream (with commentary!) -> www.twitch.tv/xFelo
Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-24 09:59:24
October 24 2011 09:59 GMT
#43
--- Nuked ---
Herculix
Profile Joined May 2010
United States946 Posts
October 24 2011 09:59 GMT
#44
this is really awful, there is a lot of tactical value in that and it nerfs general pushing from protoss extremely hard in every match up. like, there's no specific pushes that require this to work, but it's the equivelent of getting siege tanks in the perfect low ground position. this nerf is the same level of retarded as not letting siege tanks shoot to high ground from low ground to me
GhostFall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States830 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-24 10:01:13
October 24 2011 09:59 GMT
#45
Don't ask for pylon range or faster warpgates >.>

Ask them to not make the low ground to high ground change.
CodeskyE
Profile Joined January 2011
United States777 Posts
October 24 2011 10:00 GMT
#46
Blizzard really has trouble fixing Protoss.

The root of the problem is the Warp Gate mechanics.
Roxy
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada753 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-24 10:01:39
October 24 2011 10:00 GMT
#47
I am fine with this change. Surprised they didnt do it sooner.

Just please please give us pylon radius back
Do you have any idea how hard it is to get a decent pylon spread and still not have artosis pylons?

I see all the time in pro games where they players cant find anywhere to warp in units because they have buildings everywhere and radius isnt large enough

Sure would be nice to have warp gate stuff back too. Makes it so hard to stop cheese from other races without the warp tech.
http://sc2ranks.com/us/941824/Roxy - Masters Protoss: "Respect my authoritai"
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-24 10:05:20
October 24 2011 10:02 GMT
#48
I kinda like this to be honest, one more gimmick eliminated from the game. A positive change for PvP, and in other matchups this wasn't too common or reliable anyway.

Too bad they then proceeded to add a dozen more gimmicks with all the new stuff and this change gets drowned out by all the horrible ones.
ToastieNL
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands845 Posts
October 24 2011 10:02 GMT
#49
Blizz: Hee, Dustin. PvP is only 4gate vs 4gate! We should fix that, don't you think?

Year later:
Dustin: Whutusayin?

Blizz: We should fix 4gate!

Dustin: Ahhh! Let's nerf WG research with 40 seconds, nerf the pylon, and nerf warpin on ramps!

Blizz: Cool it's fine now!

Dustin: Let's nerf Pylon again, no more warping up cliffs!

Blizz: Why?

Dustin: My kid got cheesed *AHUM* It's still 4gate vs 4gate on TDA!
Zerg lategame is imbalanced as shit. Also: "Protoss is really strong recently. Perhaps, it's time for there to be some changes for Terran." -MMA. Even MMA asks for buffs. Srsly Blizzard. Srsly.
mcmartini
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Australia1972 Posts
October 24 2011 10:03 GMT
#50
This will encourage more warp prism usage which is good, but it can also be bad in a defensive sense if forge fast expanding and trying to warp in on your own high ground with defensive units. Overall I don't think this change will stick but everyone needs to slow down and just remember it's not even in open beta yet it could change before even then.
I just want to say I have 370 APM - Liquid'Tyler SotG 14-12-2011 "I mean it's too bad you can't be paid to be, you know, a chicken shit fucking whiny bitch on the internet or we would have lots of rich community members" Nick "Tasteless" Plott
Marou
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany1371 Posts
October 24 2011 10:05 GMT
#51
i don't like this change, high ground warpins are an enjoyable thing to see and with the small pylon radius they are not to strong.

Only reason i see this being implemented is to (again) help the lower player by nerfing canon rushes and proxys a lot, and i think it's fucked up, you can deal with canons and proxy if you're good enougth. This change just takes out possibility from the game, highground warpins never were a problem.
twitter@RickyMarou
IndridCold
Profile Joined August 2010
United States385 Posts
October 24 2011 10:06 GMT
#52
its not as though you can no longer warp into high ground, now you just need a warp prism
Evil Geniuses needs a LoL team.... Pobelter/Altec fan
GhostFall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States830 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-24 10:08:57
October 24 2011 10:06 GMT
#53
If I'm going blink stalkers, and I get a pylon near my opponents base for warp in, that's not gimmicky. You can easily and reliably to do that on many many many maps. It's a perk of the Protoss race, that Blizzard is unfairly changing to fix PvP. And it doesnt even fix the issue.
Leeoku
Profile Joined May 2010
1617 Posts
October 24 2011 10:07 GMT
#54
even though i hate protoss i really dont like it. it destroys so much innovation
Meteora.GB
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada2479 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-24 10:08:23
October 24 2011 10:07 GMT
#55
It always felt a little gimmicky that you had to invest a hundred minerals into a pylon to warp in units into the high ground, whether its 4 gating or DT warp in. I never liked the philosophy behind that, despite whatever cool strats there were (like using hallucinated phoenix to warp in DTs on the high ground). I do like this change, though it will have some serious implications on the Protoss tactics.

The nice thing is that the warp prism can be used more viably than placing a proxy pylon, but that feels like its shoving the chore to warp prism forcibly.

... Yeah maybe that warp gate mechanic really did break Protoss. Its obviously something that can't just be simply removed, I don't think.
Roxy
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada753 Posts
October 24 2011 10:07 GMT
#56
I am in favor of stopping canon rushes from being so easy.
Nerf cheese! woo!!

Perhaps we can nerf cheese from the other races too? or is this just the F* protoss expansion?.. o wait i thougth that was the last one
http://sc2ranks.com/us/941824/Roxy - Masters Protoss: "Respect my authoritai"
Kevan
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden2303 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-24 10:08:24
October 24 2011 10:07 GMT
#57
Stupid change, hope they don´t implement it.
SC2, rip in pepperinos
CatNzHat
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1599 Posts
October 24 2011 10:08 GMT
#58
OMG huuuuuge freaking boost to TvP..... stupid 4gate + voidray builds are far too powerful against 1 rax CC builds, even with 4 or 5 barracks of marines, protoss almost always ends up ahead after warping 4 zealots onto the high ground, and you can't ever kill the pylon due to low ground stalker support.
Fortuna.424
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany174 Posts
October 24 2011 10:08 GMT
#59
I really like this change.
It will improve PvP much more then the recent changes and also
stop very much useless cheese like voidray allins or cannon rushes.
I like Zerglings... and Banelings... and also Roaches... well, i like ZERG
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
October 24 2011 10:08 GMT
#60
On October 24 2011 19:05 Marou wrote:
i don't like this change, high ground warpins are an enjoyable thing to see and with the small pylon radius they are not to strong.

Only reason i see this being implemented is to (again) help the lower player by nerfing canon rushes and proxys a lot, and i think it's fucked up, you can deal with canons and proxy if you're good enougth. This change just takes out possibility from the game, highground warpins never were a problem.


You can still proxy and cannon rush fine, you just don't get the invincible Pylon while doing so.

There's no significant options being taken out of the game with this, except in PvP, where it's a good thing.
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 50 51 52 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Big Brain Bouts
16:00
#112
Scarlett vs SpiritLIVE!
Serral vs herO
RotterdaM1429
IndyStarCraft 188
Liquipedia
OSC
15:00
King of the Hill #244
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 1429
IndyStarCraft 188
StarCraft: Brood War
Mini 451
Soma 351
actioN 171
Rush 146
Soulkey 123
Dewaltoss 114
Sexy 107
ToSsGirL 100
PianO 94
Aegong 74
[ Show more ]
Hyun 46
Rock 35
Terrorterran 21
Hm[arnc] 16
Noble 9
eros_byul 1
Dota 2
qojqva2406
Counter-Strike
fl0m4555
olofmeister2434
kRYSTAL_31
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King68
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu4
Other Games
Gorgc3471
Grubby2311
FrodaN1485
Beastyqt508
ceh9486
C9.Mang0176
ArmadaUGS176
Trikslyr154
KnowMe83
QueenE62
sas.Sziky19
MindelVK16
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV410
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 82
• IndyKCrew
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• intothetv
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Kozan
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 10
• FirePhoenix10
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV471
League of Legends
• Nemesis3101
• TFBlade1572
Other Games
• imaqtpie671
• Shiphtur226
Upcoming Events
Korean StarCraft League
9h 10m
CranKy Ducklings
16h 10m
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
17h 10m
IPSL
22h 10m
WolFix vs nOmaD
dxtr13 vs Razz
BSL
1d 1h
UltrA vs KwarK
Gosudark vs cavapoo
dxtr13 vs HBO
Doodle vs Razz
Patches Events
1d 4h
CranKy Ducklings
1d 6h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 16h
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
1d 17h
Ladder Legends
1d 21h
[ Show More ]
BSL
2 days
StRyKeR vs rasowy
Artosis vs Aether
JDConan vs OyAji
Hawk vs izu
IPSL
2 days
JDConan vs TBD
Aegong vs rasowy
Replay Cast
2 days
Wardi Open
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Bisu vs Ample
Jaedong vs Flash
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Barracks vs Leta
Royal vs Light
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
3 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
The PondCast
5 days
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-04-16
RSL Revival: Season 4
NationLESS Cup

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Escore Tournament S2: W3
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W4
Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
2026 GSL S2
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.