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Tortious_Tortoise
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States944 Posts
October 21 2011 18:11 GMT
#1841
I bet you all of my theoretical dollars that every new unit gets nerfed to shit within a year of HotS' release
Treating eSports as a social science since 2011; Credo: "The system is never wrong"-- Day9 Daily #400 Part 3
MattyClutch
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States711 Posts
October 21 2011 18:11 GMT
#1842
On October 22 2011 03:03 RogerChillingworth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 03:02 Giantorange wrote:
The only concern I have is how that one ability might effect cannon rushes in PvP. Pylons that can attack along with the cannons >.> That could be really annoying


My guess is that's the first thing to get axed. Seems to only enable stupid cheeses. Cannons are good enough. Protoss can already be really defensive with what they have.



If what someone posted earlier is correct then they are very weak and would likely only see use in fighting off cheese and are relatively worthless by themselves.

"The new nexus defensive ability seems to be decent for super early game, not much else. Basically you can cast it on any of your structures and it gives it a weak attack. Artosis built a pylon in my mineral line and cast the new spell on it. My SCVs killed it and it only managed to take one SCV to 5 health."
Nihn'kas Neehn
Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
October 21 2011 18:11 GMT
#1843
On October 22 2011 03:02 Zdrastochye wrote:
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On October 22 2011 02:56 Gamegene wrote:
On October 22 2011 02:55 Sqq wrote:
If Protoss got Recall on their nexus that is fucking idiotic. Auto defend any nexus on the map. LoL


reverse warpgate!


I'm sure recall would need certain tech (ie fleet beacon) so that you couldn't have it at the 7 minute mark.


What exactly would you do with recall at the 7 minute mark?
Recall your 5 stalkers?

I think it would be fine if it would be available all the time, no need to force protoss into a certain tech direction to make use of it. It forces the Toss to decide between chronoboost and saving for recall, so they have to actually select the right nexus if they want to CB to not accidently have the main nexus without energy when the drop arrives.

I also like the "anti-light gun" spell, it allows protoss to save energy early on and then defend against 6/7 pool without having to get a forge or play more risky and CB probes.
Roxy
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada753 Posts
October 21 2011 18:11 GMT
#1844
On October 22 2011 03:06 setzer wrote:
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On October 22 2011 03:03 NicolBolas wrote:
On October 22 2011 02:56 TT1 wrote:
On October 22 2011 02:54 Caesarion wrote:
"Third spell is recall just like the Mothership."

http://twitter.com/#!/djtyrant


lol blizz just broke the game, waaay too strong of a spell even if it were to cost 100 energy


What? It competes with Chrono Boost. Protoss aren't going to be too willing to give up their macro mechanic without a real plan. And that plan won't be "just recall a bunch". It'll be something more like "attack, then back away, but at the cost of 2-4 CBs".


Nexus only cost 400 minerals. That means you can simply build an extra nexus somewhere in your base and stock the energy up without having to stop making probes/spend gas like the mothership required.


Nexus is effectively 300 minerals because they supply you with 1 pylon worth
http://sc2ranks.com/us/941824/Roxy - Masters Protoss: "Respect my authoritai"
VPCursed
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
1044 Posts
October 21 2011 18:11 GMT
#1845
On October 22 2011 03:08 TT1 wrote:
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On October 22 2011 03:06 Al Bundy wrote:
I love these new units


tbh im much more excited about the new nexus spells than the new units : D

im fucking furious about that, srsly. why worry about early rax pushes from terran now. whose gonna 4 rax u. just make fucking 8 minute collosi while u expand like cool kid.
Brainiac
Profile Joined May 2011
Poland641 Posts
October 21 2011 18:11 GMT
#1846
On October 22 2011 03:09 KawaiiRice wrote:
is this list fucking serious? why the hell would I play terran now if those changes are real? LOL.....


I'm on the same boat. If it is gonna be as shitty as it seems like - i'm switching races.
Si vis pacem para bellum
carebear91
Profile Joined February 2010
Singapore236 Posts
October 21 2011 18:11 GMT
#1847
battle hellions? HELLYEA
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
October 21 2011 18:11 GMT
#1848
On October 22 2011 03:08 Half wrote:
Show nested quote +

If Protoss got Recall on their nexus that is fucking idiotic. Auto defend any nexus on the map. LoL


At the cost of basically never using chronoboost.

And obviously it would have to be the nexus in question that has the energy. Which can probably be EMPd. Anyway, everyone knows you should attack in more than one place at a time.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 21 2011 18:11 GMT
#1849
Terran's going to be fine. An anti-mech unit for TvT, Firebats back, and another (another!) harass unit. It doesn't sound like they're losing anything, either.
It's your boy Guzma!
Piledriver
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1697 Posts
October 21 2011 18:11 GMT
#1850
On October 22 2011 03:06 WhiteDog wrote:
Why, why 3 units for protoss, 3 for terran and only two for zerg... in a zerg expansion pack...



Protoss loses two units (carrier + mothership ) and gains 3 units. If anything, toss should qq the most.
Envy fan since NTH.
SpiritAshura
Profile Joined March 2007
United States1271 Posts
October 21 2011 18:11 GMT
#1851
On October 22 2011 03:10 ceaRshaf wrote:
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On October 22 2011 03:09 KawaiiRice wrote:
is this list fucking serious? why the hell would I play terran now if those changes are real? LOL.....


For the same reasons people play protoss now. Because you love your race :D

Truth. I'm sure things will change by release anyways, anyone else remember the soul surfer (hunter) from P? We all remember how long that lasted.

[image loading]
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
October 21 2011 18:11 GMT
#1852
On October 22 2011 03:10 TheToast wrote:
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On October 22 2011 03:09 KawaiiRice wrote:
is this list fucking serious? why the hell would I play terran now if those changes are real? LOL.....


You don't want to be able to build Ravenhold zombie traps from Half-Life 2? Crazy.

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On October 22 2011 03:07 Roxy wrote:
If I pylon block a zerg expansion, does that mean he will need to get roaches in order to kill it? (as the new nexus ability is basically anti-zergling/worker?)


^Very good question

Depends on how the numbers end up. Right now, it can be killed by 4 SCVs while bringing one down to 5 health.
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
Fig
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1324 Posts
October 21 2011 18:12 GMT
#1853
HOLY CRAP! Mass recall on nexus is unbelievably good! I'm so excited! Protoss just got cooler.
Can't elope with my cantaloupe
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
October 21 2011 18:12 GMT
#1854
I wish they would replace the raven already >_>
:)
skatbone
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1005 Posts
October 21 2011 18:12 GMT
#1855
On October 22 2011 02:30 Caesarion wrote:
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On October 22 2011 02:28 TheKefka wrote:
On October 22 2011 02:27 Jomppa wrote:
On October 22 2011 02:26 Warfie wrote:
On October 22 2011 02:25 RogerChillingworth wrote:
On October 22 2011 02:24 Medzo wrote:
On October 22 2011 02:22 Probe1 wrote:
[image loading]


Whats the 3rd spell?


liftoff

Hahaha. Now that would be something!

no it's a teleport

I think its recall.


Wow, I think you're right. That's a great addition.


Yea, I guess it was basically a nexus-spell before to the extent that you had to produce the mothership out of the nexus to get access to recall. I wonder how the spell is unlocked...I'm assuming the fleet beacon.
Mercurial#1193
Tppz!
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1449 Posts
October 21 2011 18:12 GMT
#1856
Are there any summaries about the units that got removed?

Confirmed: Mothership. Carrier. Overseer.
Dunno: Thor? Broodlord? Marauder?

Hope to see some information about Terran after all. All I see is Protoss and Zerg stuff
Jason54178
Profile Joined July 2011
United States84 Posts
October 21 2011 18:12 GMT
#1857
On October 22 2011 03:11 mbr2321 wrote:
I bet you all of my theoretical dollars that every new unit gets nerfed to shit within a year of HotS' release


Nah! They'll be extremely nerfed before release
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
October 21 2011 18:12 GMT
#1858
On October 22 2011 03:11 Roxy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 03:06 setzer wrote:
On October 22 2011 03:03 NicolBolas wrote:
On October 22 2011 02:56 TT1 wrote:
On October 22 2011 02:54 Caesarion wrote:
"Third spell is recall just like the Mothership."

http://twitter.com/#!/djtyrant


lol blizz just broke the game, waaay too strong of a spell even if it were to cost 100 energy


What? It competes with Chrono Boost. Protoss aren't going to be too willing to give up their macro mechanic without a real plan. And that plan won't be "just recall a bunch". It'll be something more like "attack, then back away, but at the cost of 2-4 CBs".


Nexus only cost 400 minerals. That means you can simply build an extra nexus somewhere in your base and stock the energy up without having to stop making probes/spend gas like the mothership required.


Nexus is effectively 300 minerals because they supply you with 1 pylon worth


They still cost 400 minerals.
ToastieNL
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands845 Posts
October 21 2011 18:12 GMT
#1859
On October 22 2011 03:11 Requizen wrote:
Terran's going to be fine. An anti-mech unit for TvT, Firebats back, and another (another!) harass unit. It doesn't sound like they're losing anything, either.

Maybe Marauders/Reapers? or Thor?
Zerg lategame is imbalanced as shit. Also: "Protoss is really strong recently. Perhaps, it's time for there to be some changes for Terran." -MMA. Even MMA asks for buffs. Srsly Blizzard. Srsly.
Sqq
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway2023 Posts
October 21 2011 18:12 GMT
#1860
On October 22 2011 03:11 Piledriver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 03:06 WhiteDog wrote:
Why, why 3 units for protoss, 3 for terran and only two for zerg... in a zerg expansion pack...



Protoss loses two units (carrier + mothership ) and gains 3 units. If anything, toss should qq the most.


This is correct. Terran gets 1 unit replaced. Hellion for Combat-Hellion-optimus-unit.
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