New HotS Units/Abilities in Blizzcon - Page 307

On October 23 2011 00:34 Aetherial wrote:


I have to admit I'm a Terran fan boy and I actually feel sorry for the Protoss players, their changes are a bit lame imo.

On October 23 2011 00:31 Dommk wrote:
bunch of stuff about that matrix lady thing

So yeah, I think the reason why people feel Protoss is getting the short end of the stick is because they don't know what to expect come HOTS and assume the worst--to be clear, I mean that people can see some situations where the units will be good but because they have never dealt with such a unit before and how unclear it is compared to the other new units they can't tell how strong it will be and just assumes it sucks

On October 23 2011 00:31 Dommk wrote:
Speaking as a Protoss myself, I think those that feel underwhelmed should wait until we can play the game before really letting the tears flow

The new Protoss units aren't as straight forward as the new Zerg units. You can easily see the new potential in the new Defiler, all its abilities are very straight forward and it is very easy to see how strong they can be given the situation.

I think a lot of people are just having trouble trying to see the worth in the new Protoss units, but how do you measure the worth of shielding minerals or phasing tech? Even replicating units? For the most part, these are actually new concepts introduced into SC2 that we haven't ever experienced before...

How can you really add a price tag to that one ghost you replicated that managed to EMP all of your enemies Ghost, or that one Infestor that got off a fungal and held the ramp like a boss whilst your army was being recalled back?

How can you really say whether or not the Orcale is bad if no one really has a good idea on the type of damage you can do with its harassing ability.

The Overseer certainly has a similar mechanic to Phase shift but certainly not as strong. Phase shift quite literally disables a building for 45seconds. You can try guess how strong it will be, but no one has ever dealt with an ability quite like that.

How exactly would your opponents react if you remove their Starport, Cybernetics Core or Infestation pit for 45seconds? What is the best way to capitalize on that? I'm pretty sure most people would have some idea of the damage it could do but I doubt any here really knows the limits of the unit.

What is the game going to look like when you can Mass _fucking_ recall from your m'fing Nexus!? That is an absolutely HUGE change. Does anyone really have a good idea what TvP, PvP and ZvP will be like with such a change? You can sure as hell bet that it WON'T be a small change, it will be a huge change to how Protoss play but how huge and how it will affect the match ups remains to be seen

I kinda hated the changes for Protoss too until I started to put some thought into them and right now the only thing I can think about is how to abuse them as much as possible.

One thing is for sure, race that will change how they play the most will definitely be Protoss. I think the vast majority of people have the least idea on how the Protoss matches will change as opposed to the other matches come HOTS.

So yeah, I think the reason why people feel Protoss is getting the short end of the stick is because they don't know what to expect come HOTS and assume the worst--to be clear, I mean that people can see some situations where the units will be good but because they have never dealt with such a unit before and how unclear it is compared to the other new units they can't tell how strong it will be and just assumes it sucks

ok i cant seem to find this anywhere. can a replicant copy an scv so u can build CC's instead of nexi and use mules?

On October 23 2011 00:26 atavus wrote:


OH sorry about usless carrier (called counter by viking as carrier take 120 s to be made when vikings just take 40 s by two to be produced & 6 viking is enough to deal with a carrier).
AS mothership everything in is design called for "focus/kill him" but as he was the cloaking there was no backing up for him.

By the way have you been in a cave : prism harass have been consistent with Ht/zealot/DT/immo for a long time.
Plus oracle don't remind you of humm.........Overseer; yeah the unit that browder Itself claim to be a failure.
Giving the current oracle price & knowing the price of an overseer, I just don't feel like that unit is any good.
For me replicant is just an non sense unit : "we don't know what to give to toss let's give them the other race rest".
Worst being that zerg & terran got new ground unit, for ground control like shredder & host of swarm.
Some new deatball unit like : hellion combat mode & viper.
What do we get new: a copicat & two unit one being an anti mass muta, the other being an :" harass but do not kill oh no no unit"
We are indeed whinning a lot.

On October 23 2011 00:36 27power wrote:
ok i cant seem to find this anywhere. can a replicant copy an scv so u can build CC's instead of nexi and use mules?

On October 23 2011 00:35 s3183529 wrote:
Am I Blizz is kinda out of idea for Toss? Just change to air unit? Toss seems so boring, don't know about balance though.

On October 23 2011 00:37 Hider wrote:


The protoss discussion isn't about whether toss would be UP or not having enough units. its whether their units are designed well and add for interesting gameplay. And they dont. You didn't have to play sc2 to be able to see that mauruders are a boring unit.

On October 23 2011 00:40 27power wrote:
yay im so happy. ima switch from zerg to protoss now. neuraling scvs just takes SOOOO long

On October 23 2011 00:44 familyguy123 wrote:
PvZ -> it's going to be interesting because the Zerg have weak anti-air early game, and the Oracle's just going to wtfpwn the Zerg. Tech switches will be very difficult, as will over-droning.

The Nexus abilities Protoss has acquired negate the need for passive play early. X gate timings to kill a 3rd are going to be hard to stop (unless Mass Recall requires a fleet beacon, which arguably it might). Zergling runby's are going to be negated by the ad-hoc photon cannon ability, so FE's will be safer.

I think NP / grappling hook/burrowed siege unit, however, will mean that the end state of PvZ is going to involve HT. It'll look more similar to Brood War in that sense, but Colossi/Archon/Immortal are just going to get raped if you can't defend them with feedback, or if you get Dark Swarmed or have to Storm the Swarm Lord.

Of course, it depends on the final, decided-upon strength of these units. We're at the stage where counters are sharp for Blizzcon video / unit testing purposes, but I think Protoss will just be forced to commit to HT-heavy builds.

PvT -> The Warhound as many have noted was put in the game for mech. The counters are mass immortal and ... carrier. Mass marine counters immortal (And mech is gas heavy anyway), there is no sign we're balancing ghosts, so I don't really the counter Protoss has to heavy mech play.

So, in my opinion, Protoss is less of a death-balley race and instead more of a finesse one, with Mech being viable finally, no realistic counter for the Protoss death ball, and Protoss' main gains being viable Mass Recall + Oracle raiding. Protoss will look a lot more like BW protoss, where the Mech Ball just wtfpwns Protoss and it's up to the Protoss to WRECK the Terran before they have a chance to get huge.

On October 23 2011 00:38 awesomoecalypse wrote:


yes it can. In fact, given how frikkin great MULEs are, and the fact that SCVs can also repair nearly the entire Toss army, copying SCVs will likely be first order of business in PvT.