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TroubL
Profile Joined February 2011
Lithuania126 Posts
October 21 2011 22:53 GMT
#3961
On October 22 2011 07:51 sGs.Kal_rA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 07:47 ZeromuS wrote:
I love carrier but it doesnt work with the ai and how the interceptors die too fast

Agreed. Solution: FIX carriers, don't remove it....

collosi killed carriers, you either kill collo and bring back carrier or you just kill carrier
''Special Tactics since 1998'' - WhiteRa
Phaded
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia579 Posts
October 21 2011 22:53 GMT
#3962
Ghost cloak cost fixed duration fixed cost
Reaper hp regeneration
Battle cruiser speed boost
Banelings burrow move
Hydra speed upgrade
I am down but I am far from over
aderum
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden1459 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-21 22:53:48
October 21 2011 22:53 GMT
#3963
On October 22 2011 07:51 Xayoz wrote:
Show nested quote +
Arc Shield
Cost: 25 Energy
Effect: Place an anti-light cannon on top of any structure for a brief period of time.

I do wonder what will be the main use of this spell....


holding of 6 pools i guess?
and early zealots marines to i guess LOL
Crazy people dont sit around and wonder if they are insane
Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
October 21 2011 22:53 GMT
#3964
On October 22 2011 07:52 hayata2.0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 07:51 Xayoz wrote:
Arc Shield
Cost: 25 Energy
Effect: Place an anti-light cannon on top of any structure for a brief period of time.

I do wonder what will be the main use of this spell....


Fighting off 6pools.

I could see vs Maka Rax, and 2 gate.
"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
Dingobloo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia1903 Posts
October 21 2011 22:53 GMT
#3965
On October 22 2011 07:50 TroubL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 07:47 Amlitzer wrote:
I swear those blizzard never learn? The viper ability is the same as death grip spell in WoW, which is widely considered an imba spell. Zerg already have THREE ways to prevent the enemy from escaping (fungal, neural, and creep speed), did they really need ANOTHER? Hell, I was brainstorming with a couple friends about what we would like to see in HotS. We all play WoW and used to play WC3 so we were trying to thing of ideas from those games that could be used in SC2. Someone brought up death grip, and we all immediately agreed that it would be really imba, with it only being balanced if massive units were immune. However, the devs at blizzard and their infinite wisdom (sarcasm), clearly think otherwise. Blizzard used to be good at making expansion packs, but nowadays...

it'll get patched ... i hope


My worry is they're introducing more things that are diffucult to patch without removing or just destroying the unit itself, there are very few tweaks they can make without destroying it's usefulness (see: neural parasite).
eugalp
Profile Joined August 2011
United States203 Posts
October 21 2011 22:54 GMT
#3966
Does the Oracle provide detection? If so, Stargate openings will become standard in PvP.
"More GG more skill" - White-Ra
susySquark
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1692 Posts
October 21 2011 22:54 GMT
#3967
On October 22 2011 07:50 Noocta wrote:

Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 07:46 Kanuck wrote:
so basically:
we asked for goliaths, we got war hounds
we asked for firebats, we got battle hellions
we asked for lukers, we got swarm hosts
we asked for defilers, we got vipers
we asked for more viable carriers and motehrships, and they were removed and replaced with gimmicky air casters.

...lame.


So Terran and Zerg got what they wanted but you're whining because they ain't the same name / model ?
What the fuck ?


No hes whining because Protoss got screwed. Again. Super gimicky, high gas, expensive, situational units that do nothing to address the problems in the current game.
Sogetsu
Profile Joined July 2011
514 Posts
October 21 2011 22:54 GMT
#3968
On October 22 2011 07:49 TrickyGilligan wrote:
Not really happy with the Replicant.

If I wanted units from a different race, I'd just play a different race...



I think you never read the most important post on the thread...

I could explain it to you but it would be a wast of time for a QQer that anyways will not maybe read even this lol

Viper is not for "preventing escape" , it is designed to brake contains for example
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Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
October 21 2011 22:54 GMT
#3969
On October 22 2011 07:52 TroubL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 07:51 Xayoz wrote:
Arc Shield
Cost: 25 Energy
Effect: Place an anti-light cannon on top of any structure for a brief period of time.

I do wonder what will be the main use of this spell....

late game proxy nexusing of of course

pf rush 2.0
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
ShatterZer0
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1843 Posts
October 21 2011 22:54 GMT
#3970
Stargate has detection and Protoss has base defense that comes with gateway tech. All is good in the world. :D
A time to live.
Krossfire
Profile Joined July 2010
Australia1071 Posts
October 21 2011 22:55 GMT
#3971
Overall pretty happy with new units looking forward to see how they work and hopefully fix some issues currently in the game
For the Swarm * DRG *
MaCracKiN
Profile Joined August 2011
United States3 Posts
October 21 2011 22:55 GMT
#3972
New units starting out OP compared to the old.. Even tho protoss got the short end their units are still good. Pray they balance this!
Top Player on my street........i think
0neder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States3733 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-21 22:55:57
October 21 2011 22:55 GMT
#3973
On October 22 2011 07:37 Phaded wrote:
From the panel
Shredder. Static aoe defense. 2 take out a big group of zerglings. Automatically deactivates when your units come close to shredders

WHY DEACTIVATE?!? FRIENDLY FIRE IS EXCITING!!!!

And why the heck should Protoss get detection for all branches of the tech tree? How is that exciting?
cannavaro
Profile Joined November 2010
Italy86 Posts
October 21 2011 22:55 GMT
#3974
On October 22 2011 07:50 Jayjay54 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 07:46 cannavaro wrote:
Just curious when you're talking about t2,5 mobile zerg detection:
According to this here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=277868

"- Ocular Parasite...I need to investigate more to determine if your opponent knows which unit you have cast it on (you cast it on a friendly unit causing it to detect cloaked units). You get viper at lair tech right now - my initial impression is that it would nullify cloaked banshees but that's just theory crafting."

So, nothing's changed to before? Well, changelings are probably gone.



wow. again. wow.

the viper will NOT come with the lair. it will come with the spire. which is lair tech. zerg will NEVER get a caster unit just by going to T2. think about that for a tiny second and you'll figure.


Right, it's totally impossible to make the pseudo dark swarm&pulling stuff an upgrade and Blizzard will leave zergs in their base with their sporecrawlers until spire finishes.
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
October 21 2011 22:55 GMT
#3975
On October 22 2011 07:53 TroubL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 07:51 sGs.Kal_rA wrote:
On October 22 2011 07:47 ZeromuS wrote:
I love carrier but it doesnt work with the ai and how the interceptors die too fast

Agreed. Solution: FIX carriers, don't remove it....

collosi killed carriers, you either kill collo and bring back carrier or you just kill carrier


Then kill the collosus because as I said earlier in the thread collosus is the single worst unit when it comes to making the game interesting. Ignore the balance of it because you can just adjust balance assuming its not there and think about what it forces the protoss army to be. They have to be clumped up in one big ball to maximize the collosus' tight area of dmg favoring only small harass instead of full on multi pronged attacks.
lowercase
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1047 Posts
October 21 2011 22:55 GMT
#3976
On October 22 2011 07:47 Doc Daneeka wrote:
the one thing i'm really confused about is the oracle. all it's abilities except phase shift seem... lame. makes me think of the old frenzy spell the infestor had in beta. just uninteresting and not very helpful. tempest looks like it could be good, dunno till we see games with it, but isn't kind of like a beefier phoenix? what's the point in getting it if you have a decent phoenix count? or what's the point in getting phoenix if this thing turns out to be good?

rhetorical questions of course, we won't know till beta.


Phase shift should just be stasis and should have a small AOE.

As for the mineral blocking thing... it COULD work really well, as long as the spell has a massive duration and tons of hitpoints. If it's as bad as contaminate is, they may as well not even bother.
That is not dead which can eternal lie...
springtree
Profile Joined August 2010
74 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-21 22:56:53
October 21 2011 22:55 GMT
#3977
Amazing stuff, but do you guys remember the WoL initial announcement and such? Or the early beta? Photon cannons that can move? LOL. It's the same deal again. Half of these awesome units won't be half as good as they are, a week into beta, so don't worry too much.

Hellibats: this opens up so much potential for T I'm a bit baffled by all the negativity. I guess most T wanted another new unit instead? Honestly though, you mass hellions right? You can take out bases and wipe out mineral fields and shit, right? Now you can also literally rush back all the way from opp base to home when you see a swarm of lings coming out of the opp base and "mount up" and deal. Sounds pretty sick to me.

Thor -> Warhound: this is such a buff. Try massing thors and making them go up that ramp, navigate around those buildings to get to those mutas harassing your mineral line. Warhound with less dps doesn't make a lick of diff cause you'll have MORE of them over the same space and for the same amount of resources.

Viper: (sorry in advance if someone mentioned this but I wrote this reply around page 180) Who the hell said it DOESN'T come out of lair? Someone said it is LAIR TECH but that only means you need a lair to build it. NOWHERE is it said it doesn't come from Spire, like (most) other flyers. What am I missing? I sure hope I am, but seriously, a unit this powerful that comes out of a lair with no building req is ridiculous. But if it comes out of spire Z are doomed to eternal DT rush hell like said before (and yeah, spores are nice, but you're going from "z have spores and overseers at lair" to "z have spores" which is downright counter to what Blizz is saying they wanna fix (early game scouting to prevent all the bloody cheese wins).

Edit: the obvious answer to the Viper thing is that it comes out of a new building that doesn't take as long as spire to build. D'oh.
斗 シ ツ ♪ ♡
Bibdy
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3481 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-21 22:55:44
October 21 2011 22:55 GMT
#3978
The Nexus gun will be for any Light tier 1 or 1.5 rush (lings, Marines, Zealots, Reapers), and any Light mineral line harassment (Mutas, Banshees, Hellions etc.).
Jayjay54
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2296 Posts
October 21 2011 22:55 GMT
#3979
On October 22 2011 07:54 ShatterZer0 wrote:
Stargate has detection and Protoss has base defense that comes with gateway tech. All is good in the world. :D


cannon rush is buffed too.
Things are laid back in Unidenland. And may the road ahead be lid with dreams and tomorrows. Which are lid with dreams. Also.
Kanuck
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada50 Posts
October 21 2011 22:55 GMT
#3980
On October 22 2011 07:50 Vei wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 07:48 Shiladie wrote:
On October 22 2011 07:46 Kanuck wrote:
so basically:
we asked for goliaths, we got war hounds
we asked for firebats, we got battle hellions
we asked for lukers, we got swarm hosts
we asked for defilers, we got vipers
we asked for more viable carriers and motehrships, and they were removed and replaced with gimmicky air casters.

...lame.


so we got what we asked for and you bitch and complain?
jeese man, enjoy what you get!

I for one am extremely happy as a zerg player with these changes/additions.

seriously

as a zerg, i am extremely happy, but still worried about detection. however, the other changes look awesome.


i actually play random, and as a zerg player, yeah the new units look good (minus i just really want my lurkers back)

but the terran units are the ugliest units ive ever seen. Also battle hellions? really youd rather have transformer then just putting firebats in the barracks?

protoss is worst of all...

you both admit to being zerg players, please try and think beyond that.

(also, i worry about detection too, but i guess vipers will just be essential now)
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