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ZOWIE announces DIVINA female sc2 tournament - Page 5

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Zidane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1689 Posts
October 21 2011 14:18 GMT
#81
Why is there always 1 or 2 token idiots just having to add their 2 cents about how it isn't helping females by having private tournaments?
Livinpink
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada326 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-02 22:28:36
October 21 2011 14:59 GMT
#82
I wish the girls the best of luck. I wonder also how they find their girls. Oh well I guess we'll see. Great opportunity for the chosen ones <3
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Crais
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2136 Posts
October 21 2011 15:01 GMT
#83
Cool stuff
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Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
October 21 2011 15:02 GMT
#84
On October 21 2011 23:18 Zidane wrote:
Why is there always 1 or 2 token idiots just having to add their 2 cents about how it isn't helping females by having private tournaments?

On the internet, there's always the one asshole that hates everything.
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
Apom
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
France656 Posts
October 21 2011 15:04 GMT
#85
I keep wondering if DIVINA is sponsored by NVIDIA... Might have needed to think a bit more about the name if it isn't :/
Suikakuju
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany238 Posts
October 21 2011 15:04 GMT
#86
Its been about time! GOGO GIRLS!


GET HYPED
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SoKHo
Profile Joined April 2011
Korea (South)1081 Posts
October 21 2011 15:05 GMT
#87
Holy crap........ That's a lot of money for a female tourny. Maybe we'll start seeing professional female gamers more often
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Rafael
Profile Joined January 2011
Venezuela182 Posts
October 21 2011 15:09 GMT
#88
Lol the name is so cool man.

I can only hope that we can get VOD or Streams out of it.
StarBrift
Profile Joined January 2008
Sweden1761 Posts
October 21 2011 15:12 GMT
#89
On October 21 2011 16:15 Derpmallow wrote:
Not to be shooting this kind of idea down, but I feel like Esports is one of those places where being female should be the least big of a deal - rather than focusing on heavy physical activity, it's based around nimble fingermovements, memorization of patterns and the ability to think logically under stress. So I guess I don't get why we need a specific league for something where there's literally nothing stopping a girl from being damn good at the game, just as good as any guy.

Still, if this is the first step towards working in a new demographic, or simply helping more casual players see that there is an opportunity in the pro scene, more power to you and this idea. Hope it goes well!


There's nothing stopping a female curling team from beating a male one either but they still hold competitions separately.
darklight54321
Profile Joined July 2011
United States361 Posts
October 21 2011 15:55 GMT
#90
I'm gonna state the obligatory

If some sort of female representative or major SC2 representative comes out and says that females are inferior to males in the game of starcrat2, then i will fully support the idea of having special treatment for females (ie, what they did with Eve, female only tournaments, female league, etc. etc.). Otherwise, i consider this sexist and insulting to females everywhere.
MennoHermit
Profile Joined October 2011
Canada15 Posts
October 21 2011 16:15 GMT
#91
On October 22 2011 00:55 darklight54321 wrote:
I'm gonna state the obligatory

If some sort of female representative or major SC2 representative comes out and says that females are inferior to males in the game of starcrat2, then i will fully support the idea of having special treatment for females (ie, what they did with Eve, female only tournaments, female league, etc. etc.). Otherwise, i consider this sexist and insulting to females everywhere.


The only way you'd consider a situation to not be sexist is if it makes a blanket statement that one sex is inferior?

I'm not sure you understand what sexism is...

The point isn't that guys aren't allowed to participate, it's that a LOT of the female community feels unable to play online or go to tournaments with the same type of freedom or credibility as male players.

Don't you think that female players who win or do well in a tournament like this will only be MORE likely to compete in events like MLG in the future?
Theovide
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden914 Posts
October 21 2011 23:15 GMT
#92
Seems like a great initiative. Though I'd rather have seen it being online qualifiers, because the female scene is so undiscovered (ie I don't think anyone really know who are actually the best female gamers).
Grummler
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany743 Posts
October 21 2011 23:34 GMT
#93
On October 22 2011 01:15 MennoHermit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 00:55 darklight54321 wrote:
I'm gonna state the obligatory

If some sort of female representative or major SC2 representative comes out and says that females are inferior to males in the game of starcrat2, then i will fully support the idea of having special treatment for females (ie, what they did with Eve, female only tournaments, female league, etc. etc.). Otherwise, i consider this sexist and insulting to females everywhere.


The only way you'd consider a situation to not be sexist is if it makes a blanket statement that one sex is inferior?

I'm not sure you understand what sexism is...

The point isn't that guys aren't allowed to participate, it's that a LOT of the female community feels unable to play online or go to tournaments with the same type of freedom or credibility as male players.

Don't you think that female players who win or do well in a tournament like this will only be MORE likely to compete in events like MLG in the future?


Actually he understands very well what sexism is. Right now ALL serious tournaments are gender independent. This one is for one certain gender only. And thats sexism. It wouldnt be sexism if females were genetically worse in sc2 than males. Than it would be sexism to have them participate in the same tournaments.

I mean, look at sports, its the exact same thing. Would it be fair to have women and men together in a 100m run? Hell, no! The women dont stand a chance. Thats why you have gender specific tournaments. Actually it would be sexism if they were forced to run with the males.

But in sc2 there is no reason to expect women from being naturally worse. So gender specific tournaments indeed is sexism.

Dont get me wrong though. If you want more women in esports in generall this kind of tournaments WILL help. There is also a higher chance that we will see women in "all gender" tournaments like mlg. But its still sexism....
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vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
October 22 2011 00:03 GMT
#94
On October 22 2011 00:12 StarBrift wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2011 16:15 Derpmallow wrote:
Not to be shooting this kind of idea down, but I feel like Esports is one of those places where being female should be the least big of a deal - rather than focusing on heavy physical activity, it's based around nimble fingermovements, memorization of patterns and the ability to think logically under stress. So I guess I don't get why we need a specific league for something where there's literally nothing stopping a girl from being damn good at the game, just as good as any guy.

Still, if this is the first step towards working in a new demographic, or simply helping more casual players see that there is an opportunity in the pro scene, more power to you and this idea. Hope it goes well!


There's nothing stopping a female curling team from beating a male one either but they still hold competitions separately.


Which is stupid, in my opinion. If they're not disadvantaged, why split it up?
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
John Madden
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
American Samoa894 Posts
October 22 2011 01:00 GMT
#95
Best of the luck to the girls, lucky that they have it.
FOOTBALL
Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9031 Posts
October 22 2011 01:18 GMT
#96
DIVINA sounds like NVIDIA with the letters messed up. Secret sponsor?
tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
October 22 2011 01:20 GMT
#97
Best of luck girls! They deserved to get some spotlight too.

P/s: fuck off haters.
askTeivospy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1525 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-22 01:47:10
October 22 2011 01:46 GMT
#98
I don't understand why separating women and males in starcraft (or any other competitive arena) is sexist

people label everything these days as prejudice, it gets really annoying and makes light of actual prejudice

GL to the girls chosen, really good prize pool for any tournament too
hihihi
yarkO
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada810 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-22 01:53:10
October 22 2011 01:52 GMT
#99
If they are so good why don't they ever show up at real tournaments? It's not like a contact sport where guys are simply bigger (most of the time). The only thing holding them back is themselves and their skill level, not some imaginary gender barrier.

This is a cool idea I guess, but if anything it drives home a point that isn't there: girls can't compete [at SC2] with boys.
When you are prepared, there's no such thing as pressure.
seiplo
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden25 Posts
October 22 2011 02:03 GMT
#100
if i become a transvestite do i count as a girl?
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