EPTI have the player list but I can't announce it at the moment.
It's going to be a great tournament so let's all just have fun guys : )
ZOWIE announces DIVINA female sc2 tournament - Page 11
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kellymilkies
Singapore1393 Posts
I have the player list but I can't announce it at the moment. It's going to be a great tournament so let's all just have fun guys : ) | ||
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iMAniaC
Norway703 Posts
Anyway, I just have a quick question. I'm sorry it's kind of off topic, but it doesn't deserve its own thread nor a bump for any other threads, so I'll go ahead and hope it's okay: Has someone ever calculated the statistical probability for women being better or worse than men in SC2? I would think that we'd begin to have a decent empirical background for it now, with MLG's and IPL's and so on. Basically, it would be a testing of a null hypothesis: Given that men and women are equally skilled (following the Bell curve and all that fancy stuff), how probable is it that women can win MLG (or whatever) given the gender distribution of today? i.e., given that only a few women compete in MLG as opposed to the ~200 males, are they doing as expected, winning a couple of matches but never the whole tournament? As I said, I don't want to bring the thread off topic again, so I don't want to start any discussion about it, but I'm hoping for a definite link to such a thread, or alternately a definite "no" from anyone who would know. If it doesn't exist, it would be cool if someone did the calculations (I imagine it would be fairly easy for someone who knows what they're doing, but I, I'm afraid, don't), but that would deserve its own thread, I believe. So, a simple link or "no" and then back to topic. Also, back on topic, I think it's cool that women get more of the spotlight. Although after seeing the discussions in this thread, I am a bit worried about the selection of girls for the tournament... I guess I'll wait for the 8th to make up my mind about it... | ||
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Deleted User 101379
4849 Posts
On October 31 2011 19:14 iMAniaC wrote: I think you're spilling too many beans, DaSakura... If the participants are supposed to remain a secret until the 8th, we shouldn't be able to piece them together from your posts over a week before... It's awesome that you're going, so don't get yourself disqualified or anything... Anyway, I just have a quick question. I'm sorry it's kind of off topic, but it doesn't deserve its own thread nor a bump for any other threads, so I'll go ahead and hope it's okay: Has someone ever calculated the statistical probability for women being better or worse than men in SC2? I would think that we'd begin to have a decent empirical background for it now, with MLG's and IPL's and so on. Basically, it would be a testing of a null hypothesis: Given that men and women are equally skilled (following the Bell curve and all that fancy stuff), how probable is it that women can win MLG (or whatever) given the gender distribution of today? i.e., given that only a few women compete in MLG as opposed to the ~200 males, are they doing as expected, winning a couple of matches but never the whole tournament? As I said, I don't want to bring the thread off topic again, so I don't want to start any discussion about it, but I'm hoping for a definite link to such a thread, or alternately a definite "no" from anyone who would know. If it doesn't exist, it would be cool if someone did the calculations (I imagine it would be fairly easy for someone who knows what they're doing, but I, I'm afraid, don't), but that would deserve its own thread, I believe. So, a simple link or "no" and then back to topic. Also, back on topic, I think it's cool that women get more of the spotlight. Although after seeing the discussions in this thread, I am a bit worried about the selection of girls for the tournament... I guess I'll wait for the 8th to make up my mind about it... The number of female participants in MLG is not statistically significant enough to give any indication at all. Once we have more than ~10% of the players being female, it's possible to calculate bell curves and whatever, until then the margin of error due to outliers is far too big. I'm convinced that if the pool of male and female players would be equally large, the skill difference would be virtually non-existant. | ||
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PaPoolee
Netherlands660 Posts
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redDuke
Australia207 Posts
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Atticus.axl
United States456 Posts
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CaptainCrush
United States785 Posts
On October 31 2011 19:23 PaPoolee wrote: MegumixBear got this i think :D amazing prize pool, good luck to all the females of sc2! Dunno.... Navi is borderline grandmasters as a zerg, I think she will make a decent run as well. | ||
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swordboy
Canada299 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + And according to the PLU (collaboration media in China) forum, DaSakura, Flo, Colagirl from China, RainBOw's girlfriend (don't know her name sorry) will participate. I don't know the other two girls by their photo. Here's the link:http://bbs.plu.cn/thread-1824423-1-1.html | ||
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Simonius
Germany98 Posts
So far no female SC2 player has made the slightest impact upon esports and I find it highly disrespectful to all male midlevel players who have put ten times as much effort into this game to organize a tournament with such a large pricepool. | ||
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Kaxon
United States117 Posts
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Disconnect
United States84 Posts
I'd also prefer amateur only tournaments rather than separating it out based on Gender. I can't say for sure without seeing this tourney but I have at least 3 or 4 friends that could probably win it who have no chance at placing high at an MLG. It would be nice for players that don't have 8 hours a day to play to have a tourney as well. Ultimately though anything below the highest levels of play is not going to bring in viewers. Which means they are not really financially viable. But if people want to throw away some money every now and again than feel free. Good luck to the ladies! | ||
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THM
Bulgaria1131 Posts
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ishyishy
United States826 Posts
IMO the community needs to get away from this separation. At the moment it seems like its either a "anyone can enter" tournament or a "female only" tournament. Why does it have to be female only? The day when we have a "male only" tournament, everyone will flip tables and make a big deal over it. Girl players will say this is a sexist outrage in an attempt to bring it down. But, when something like this happens, most people show sympathy and be glad for female players. This just seems wrong to me. This is a video game. It isnt like a contact sport where it has physical limitations on the human body (however there are female contact sports). This isnt the naturally stronger male human body vs the naturally lesser strong female human body (this isnt a flame or a troll, it's science). This is mind vs mind. Any tournament should allow everyone and anyone, period. This is bad for esports imo. On top of that, I think that it's stuff like this that generates the disrespect towards females in general. They never want to have anything to do with competing vs males. Having a female only tournament only gives more reason for haters to flame the female gaming community. It should be ONE community, not 2. If female players get discouraged because they have to compete vs male players, then it's their own damn fault. News flash: male players get intimidated too!!!! They get scared too!!!!! | ||
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leveller
Sweden1840 Posts
On November 04 2011 23:17 ishyishy wrote: I will just say that prize pool is not the only important factor when holding a tournament. It should be interesting at the least. I really hope the casters are not female too or else it would seem a little too awkward. IMO the community needs to get away from this separation. At the moment it seems like its either a "anyone can enter" tournament or a "female only" tournament. Why does it have to be female only? The day when we have a "male only" tournament, everyone will flip tables and make a big deal over it. Girl players will say this is a sexist outrage in an attempt to bring it down. But, when something like this happens, most people show sympathy and be glad for female players. This just seems wrong to me. This is a video game. It isnt like a contact sport where it has physical limitations on the human body (however there are female contact sports). This isnt the naturally stronger male human body vs the naturally lesser strong female human body (this isnt a flame or a troll, it's science). This is mind vs mind. Any tournament should allow everyone and anyone, period. This is bad for esports imo. On top of that, I think that it's stuff like this that generates the disrespect towards females in general. They never want to have anything to do with competing vs males. Having a female only tournament only gives more reason for haters to flame the female gaming community. It should be ONE community, not 2. If female players get discouraged because they have to compete vs male players, then it's their own damn fault. News flash: male players get intimidated too!!!! They get scared too!!!!! You dont get it... Anyone is free to host any tournament with whatever qualifications he wants. If I had 5000 dollars laying around I could have a tournament only for swedish people, or only for toss players, or only for left handed players... This is just like the old Team liquid star leagues, where koreans were banned from competing. That helped the foreign community, because if koreans were allowed noone would even have taken a game off them. Just like this will help women to get into the community more. Eventually sure tournaments should be open to everyone but we are not there yet and this is a step in the right direction. | ||
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Railin
Canada96 Posts
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kochujang
Germany1226 Posts
On November 05 2011 00:03 Railin wrote: Of course, it's great to have another female tournament with real prize money, however lack of a qualifier kinda makes this feel odd. You mean like the TotalBiscuit invites, DreamHack Invites, GSL AOL invites, IEM Invites etc? Yeah, it is pretty unorthodox. | ||
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Shel
United States104 Posts
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Conquerer67
United States605 Posts
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Beren
United States514 Posts
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Beren
United States514 Posts
On October 23 2011 09:22 Moskau wrote: Maybe because the physical limits of these sports make it impossible for the women to be competitive? The reason poker isn't segregated is the exact same reason Starcraft 2 shouldn't be as well, gender has nothing to do with the success of the player. uhh they have female only poker tournaments. | ||
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