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On October 21 2011 20:32 Papulatus wrote:
Cool a sexist tournament.
What if a current tournament came along and said that only males are allowed?
I don't get the clear hypocrisy in modern society....
It's called "supporting the minority".
Males are the majority, no special tournaments needed as they are almost all male-only anyways.
Do you want all tournaments to stay that way or wouldn't you like to see some TossGirl mixing it up from time to time?
That will only happen if we get enough women into SC2 so a big enough pool exists for some good enough female pros to spawn from it. That won't happen if we treat them poorly.
Until there is a big pool of female players, they do need their own tournaments.
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On October 21 2011 16:15 Derpmallow wrote:
Not to be shooting this kind of idea down, but I feel like Esports is one of those places where being female should be the least big of a deal - rather than focusing on heavy physical activity, it's based around nimble fingermovements, memorization of patterns and the ability to think logically under stress. So I guess I don't get why we need a specific league for something where there's literally nothing stopping a girl from being damn good at the game, just as good as any guy.
Still, if this is the first step towards working in a new demographic, or simply helping more casual players see that there is an opportunity in the pro scene, more power to you and this idea. Hope it goes well!
I don't want or intend to sound sexist (which is why I'm skipping the rly easy joke here), but just as physical power is generally stronger in males, so is logical thinking.
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Finally, with this prizepool, we might actually see some decent starcraft and not a bronzeleaguer facing off against a diamond player.
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On October 21 2011 20:32 Papulatus wrote:
Cool a sexist tournament.
What if a current tournament came along and said that only males are allowed?
I don't get the clear hypocrisy in modern society....
do we need to go through that every single time?
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On October 21 2011 20:40 Morfildur wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2011 20:32 Papulatus wrote:
Cool a sexist tournament.
What if a current tournament came along and said that only males are allowed?
I don't get the clear hypocrisy in modern society.... It's called "supporting the minority". Males are the majority, no special tournaments needed as they are almost all male-only anyways. Do you want all tournaments to stay that way or wouldn't you like to see some TossGirl mixing it up from time to time? That will only happen if we get enough women into SC2 so a big enough pool exists for some good enough female pros to spawn from it. That won't happen if we treat them poorly. Until there is a big pool of female players, they do need their own tournaments.
Why do "we" have to force a large pool of females. Its cold fact that this tournament is sexist, and I find that repulsive.
I would like to see TossGirl mix it up from time to time. Did I say anywhere that I'm against women competing with men? I really want to see that, but I don't see why aspiring females should get special treatment over males.
If females want to compete with males, they need to put in the time and dedication like any other up-and-coming male has to. They then need to entire a tournament and get deep into it like any other male has too.
I don't support clear sexism and hypocrisy.
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just look at how many females participate in high levle tournaments and you pretty much have your answer
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It'll be a glorious day when girls will be considered gold diggers because they play starcraft a lot instead of seducting rich guys.
I long for that day! Hope this gets really huge :D
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On October 21 2011 20:49 Papulatus wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2011 20:40 Morfildur wrote:On October 21 2011 20:32 Papulatus wrote:
Cool a sexist tournament.
What if a current tournament came along and said that only males are allowed?
I don't get the clear hypocrisy in modern society.... It's called "supporting the minority". Males are the majority, no special tournaments needed as they are almost all male-only anyways. Do you want all tournaments to stay that way or wouldn't you like to see some TossGirl mixing it up from time to time? That will only happen if we get enough women into SC2 so a big enough pool exists for some good enough female pros to spawn from it. That won't happen if we treat them poorly. Until there is a big pool of female players, they do need their own tournaments. I would like to see TossGirl mix it up from time to time. Did I say anywhere that I'm against women competing with men? I really want to see that, but I don't see why aspiring females should get special treatment over males. If females want to compete with males, they need to put in the time and dedication like any other up-and-coming male has to. They then need to entire a tournament and get deep into it like any other male has too. I don't support clear sexism and hypocrisy.
This tournament is meant to both give a nice environment for girls to compete (which can not be said about most offline tournament where the sole fact of being a girl makes you the target of much unwanted attention and judgment) and some exposure for the female scene (especially to other girls who might be interested in getting more serious about the game).
If those goals are met, and more and more girls start playing the game seriously, they will eventually start competing in normal tournaments because that's were the money and the "prestige" are.
I really like the initiative, especially the fact that they apparently bring the players to the tournament which means the only requirement is to be among the best (and being a girl of course  .
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Can I get a filter on ladder now where I can only run into males/females?
Since we are separating the community already, it would be nice to implement this to the ladder to.
Thank you
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On October 21 2011 17:23 Stark1 wrote:
I'm all for e-sports, but... $10k for what? Mid-Masters level play? How is it not offensive to both genders that females are being held to a far lower standard than are the men?
Well in sc2, men are practicing more, so naturally at the moment we are better. If you read the op it says the goal is to bring more women into esports gaming through a big prize pool.
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Hopefully we see Eve and Tossgirl!
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Good luck to the players!
Is this going to be streamed? :3
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On October 21 2011 22:05 TBone- wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2011 17:23 Stark1 wrote:
I'm all for e-sports, but... $10k for what? Mid-Masters level play? How is it not offensive to both genders that females are being held to a far lower standard than are the men? Well in sc2, men are practicing more, so naturally at the moment we are better. If you read the op it says the goal is to bring more women into esports gaming through a big prize pool.
what stops females from practising more? so they can practice 2 hours a day get to masters, and have tournaments with 10k$ prize pools? lol
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My only hope is that some large teams are watching this tournament and decide to sign some female players, with the only notable player being slayers-eve i think the tournament is a great way for these players to get their name out.GL to all those participating
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While this is most definitely sexist I still think it's a great idea. People do what they are expected to do - girls see girls do girly things, they do girly things, boys see boys do boyish things, they do boyish things. Sexist actions such as creating this tournament might help eliminate the unconscious sexism of society.
I support this because I HATE the fact that I hardly ever meet girls that share my interests.
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I hope they're hot. Does zowie plan on having a player camera like ipl? Why is this in china, and please invite tossgirl and slayerseve or I won't watch.
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Any stats on this?
How many girls are in master league?
Any in gm?
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On October 21 2011 22:38 nooboon wrote:
My only hope is that some large teams are watching this tournament and decide to sign some female players, with the only notable player being slayers-eve i think the tournament is a great way for these players to get their name out.GL to all those participating
There are some other good female players, for example megumixbear is quite good and while she didn't get far at MLG, she does 3v3s with Day9 which makes her an insta-favourite :p
However, i agree, it would be nice to see pro teams hire female players to increase the chance on finding and training the next TossGirl (though i hope it'll be a ZergGirl).
It would be a huge PR boost to have the best female player on the team and it might be a huge boost to ESports growth if women could have someone on stage to identify with, which might increase female viewership.
And for those who don't see the point in that, you can still see it this way:
More women playing SC2 = higher chance your SC2 skills get you laid = good
Of course it would be better if the people who see it that way would actually listen to reason, but well... if nothing else helps, the "you might get laid" argument should work.
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very cool !
just wondering why stuff like this appears so late... it's about time! gl hf!
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On October 21 2011 21:58 chokke wrote:Can I get a filter on ladder now where I can only run into males/females? Since we are separating the community already, it would be nice to implement this to the ladder to. Thank you
I believe what you'r looking for is this:
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But anyways, looks like a cool tournament, hoping to see interviews with the players. I'd also love to see the whether or not the winner of this gets to a major team.
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