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Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
October 21 2011 11:40 GMT
#61
On October 21 2011 20:32 Papulatus wrote:
Cool a sexist tournament.

What if a current tournament came along and said that only males are allowed?

I don't get the clear hypocrisy in modern society....


It's called "supporting the minority".

Males are the majority, no special tournaments needed as they are almost all male-only anyways.
Do you want all tournaments to stay that way or wouldn't you like to see some TossGirl mixing it up from time to time?
That will only happen if we get enough women into SC2 so a big enough pool exists for some good enough female pros to spawn from it. That won't happen if we treat them poorly.

Until there is a big pool of female players, they do need their own tournaments.
the p00n
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands615 Posts
October 21 2011 11:43 GMT
#62
On October 21 2011 16:15 Derpmallow wrote:
Not to be shooting this kind of idea down, but I feel like Esports is one of those places where being female should be the least big of a deal - rather than focusing on heavy physical activity, it's based around nimble fingermovements, memorization of patterns and the ability to think logically under stress. So I guess I don't get why we need a specific league for something where there's literally nothing stopping a girl from being damn good at the game, just as good as any guy.

Still, if this is the first step towards working in a new demographic, or simply helping more casual players see that there is an opportunity in the pro scene, more power to you and this idea. Hope it goes well!


I don't want or intend to sound sexist (which is why I'm skipping the rly easy joke here), but just as physical power is generally stronger in males, so is logical thinking.
Xcobidoo
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden1871 Posts
October 21 2011 11:43 GMT
#63
Finally, with this prizepool, we might actually see some decent starcraft and not a bronzeleaguer facing off against a diamond player.
Supreme Intergalactic Commander
FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
October 21 2011 11:45 GMT
#64
On October 21 2011 20:32 Papulatus wrote:
Cool a sexist tournament.

What if a current tournament came along and said that only males are allowed?

I don't get the clear hypocrisy in modern society....


do we need to go through that every single time?
Kevmeister @ Dota2
Papulatus
Profile Joined July 2010
United States669 Posts
October 21 2011 11:49 GMT
#65
On October 21 2011 20:40 Morfildur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2011 20:32 Papulatus wrote:
Cool a sexist tournament.

What if a current tournament came along and said that only males are allowed?

I don't get the clear hypocrisy in modern society....


It's called "supporting the minority".

Males are the majority, no special tournaments needed as they are almost all male-only anyways.
Do you want all tournaments to stay that way or wouldn't you like to see some TossGirl mixing it up from time to time?
That will only happen if we get enough women into SC2 so a big enough pool exists for some good enough female pros to spawn from it. That won't happen if we treat them poorly.

Until there is a big pool of female players, they do need their own tournaments.


Why do "we" have to force a large pool of females. Its cold fact that this tournament is sexist, and I find that repulsive.

I would like to see TossGirl mix it up from time to time. Did I say anywhere that I'm against women competing with men? I really want to see that, but I don't see why aspiring females should get special treatment over males.

If females want to compete with males, they need to put in the time and dedication like any other up-and-coming male has to. They then need to entire a tournament and get deep into it like any other male has too.

I don't support clear sexism and hypocrisy.
4 Corners in a day.
FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
October 21 2011 11:54 GMT
#66
just look at how many females participate in high levle tournaments and you pretty much have your answer
Kevmeister @ Dota2
Chaosvuistje
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands2581 Posts
October 21 2011 11:58 GMT
#67
It'll be a glorious day when girls will be considered gold diggers because they play starcraft a lot instead of seducting rich guys.

I long for that day! Hope this gets really huge :D
Diavlo
Profile Joined July 2011
Belgium2915 Posts
October 21 2011 12:23 GMT
#68
On October 21 2011 20:49 Papulatus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2011 20:40 Morfildur wrote:
On October 21 2011 20:32 Papulatus wrote:
Cool a sexist tournament.

What if a current tournament came along and said that only males are allowed?

I don't get the clear hypocrisy in modern society....


It's called "supporting the minority".

Males are the majority, no special tournaments needed as they are almost all male-only anyways.
Do you want all tournaments to stay that way or wouldn't you like to see some TossGirl mixing it up from time to time?
That will only happen if we get enough women into SC2 so a big enough pool exists for some good enough female pros to spawn from it. That won't happen if we treat them poorly.

Until there is a big pool of female players, they do need their own tournaments.


I would like to see TossGirl mix it up from time to time. Did I say anywhere that I'm against women competing with men? I really want to see that, but I don't see why aspiring females should get special treatment over males.

If females want to compete with males, they need to put in the time and dedication like any other up-and-coming male has to. They then need to entire a tournament and get deep into it like any other male has too.

I don't support clear sexism and hypocrisy.



This tournament is meant to both give a nice environment for girls to compete (which can not be said about most offline tournament where the sole fact of being a girl makes you the target of much unwanted attention and judgment) and some exposure for the female scene (especially to other girls who might be interested in getting more serious about the game).

If those goals are met, and more and more girls start playing the game seriously, they will eventually start competing in normal tournaments because that's were the money and the "prestige" are.


I really like the initiative, especially the fact that they apparently bring the players to the tournament which means the only requirement is to be among the best (and being a girl of course .
"I don't know how many years on this Earth I got left. I'm gonna get real weird with it."
chokke
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway228 Posts
October 21 2011 12:58 GMT
#69
Can I get a filter on ladder now where I can only run into males/females?
Since we are separating the community already, it would be nice to implement this to the ladder to.
Thank you
TBone-
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2309 Posts
October 21 2011 13:05 GMT
#70
On October 21 2011 17:23 Stark1 wrote:
I'm all for e-sports, but... $10k for what? Mid-Masters level play? How is it not offensive to both genders that females are being held to a far lower standard than are the men?


Well in sc2, men are practicing more, so naturally at the moment we are better. If you read the op it says the goal is to bring more women into esports gaming through a big prize pool.
Eve online FC, lover of all competition
Novalisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Israel1818 Posts
October 21 2011 13:28 GMT
#71
Hopefully we see Eve and Tossgirl!
/commercial
Abenson
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada4122 Posts
October 21 2011 13:33 GMT
#72
Good luck to the players!
Is this going to be streamed? :3
whiteLotus
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
1833 Posts
October 21 2011 13:33 GMT
#73
On October 21 2011 22:05 TBone- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2011 17:23 Stark1 wrote:
I'm all for e-sports, but... $10k for what? Mid-Masters level play? How is it not offensive to both genders that females are being held to a far lower standard than are the men?


Well in sc2, men are practicing more, so naturally at the moment we are better. If you read the op it says the goal is to bring more women into esports gaming through a big prize pool.



what stops females from practising more? so they can practice 2 hours a day get to masters, and have tournaments with 10k$ prize pools? lol
The bird of Hermes is my name, eating my wings to make me tame
nooboon
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
2602 Posts
October 21 2011 13:38 GMT
#74
My only hope is that some large teams are watching this tournament and decide to sign some female players, with the only notable player being slayers-eve i think the tournament is a great way for these players to get their name out.GL to all those participating
Gigaudas
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Sweden1213 Posts
October 21 2011 13:44 GMT
#75
While this is most definitely sexist I still think it's a great idea. People do what they are expected to do - girls see girls do girly things, they do girly things, boys see boys do boyish things, they do boyish things. Sexist actions such as creating this tournament might help eliminate the unconscious sexism of society.

I support this because I HATE the fact that I hardly ever meet girls that share my interests.
I
goswser
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3519 Posts
October 21 2011 13:45 GMT
#76
I hope they're hot. Does zowie plan on having a player camera like ipl? Why is this in china, and please invite tossgirl and slayerseve or I won't watch.
say you were born into a jungle indian tribe where food was scarce...would you run around from teepee to teepee stealing meat scraps after a day lazying around doing nothing except warming urself by a fire that you didn't even make yourself? -rekrul
Roxy
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada753 Posts
October 21 2011 13:52 GMT
#77
Any stats on this?
How many girls are in master league?
Any in gm?
http://sc2ranks.com/us/941824/Roxy - Masters Protoss: "Respect my authoritai"
Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
October 21 2011 14:01 GMT
#78
On October 21 2011 22:38 nooboon wrote:
My only hope is that some large teams are watching this tournament and decide to sign some female players, with the only notable player being slayers-eve i think the tournament is a great way for these players to get their name out.GL to all those participating


There are some other good female players, for example megumixbear is quite good and while she didn't get far at MLG, she does 3v3s with Day9 which makes her an insta-favourite :p

However, i agree, it would be nice to see pro teams hire female players to increase the chance on finding and training the next TossGirl (though i hope it'll be a ZergGirl).
It would be a huge PR boost to have the best female player on the team and it might be a huge boost to ESports growth if women could have someone on stage to identify with, which might increase female viewership.

And for those who don't see the point in that, you can still see it this way:
More women playing SC2 = higher chance your SC2 skills get you laid = good

Of course it would be better if the people who see it that way would actually listen to reason, but well... if nothing else helps, the "you might get laid" argument should work.
The Void
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany428 Posts
October 21 2011 14:07 GMT
#79
very cool !

just wondering why stuff like this appears so late... it's about time! gl hf!
it is hard to be an atheist and deal with day9 (╯°□°)╯︵┻━┻ also i stole this too ♞...o_O..oh..and his buddies ♚♛♜♝♟http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=295038 don't trust the suits...
Timestreamer
Profile Joined March 2011
Israel157 Posts
October 21 2011 14:14 GMT
#80
On October 21 2011 21:58 chokke wrote:
Can I get a filter on ladder now where I can only run into males/females?
Since we are separating the community already, it would be nice to implement this to the ladder to.
Thank you

I believe what you'r looking for is this:
+ Show Spoiler +


But anyways, looks like a cool tournament, hoping to see interviews with the players. I'd also love to see the whether or not the winner of this gets to a major team.
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