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Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6660 Posts
October 17 2011 01:03 GMT
#221
Didn't he retire because of a wrist injury? I don't see that just going away so I doubt he will actually switch over professionally.

Though if he did, it would be interesting. With the easier Macro in Sc2 he should be able to keep up with top tier players to a certain degree, and with his pure RTS brilliance I can see him doing much better then the other legends that have switched over simply because of the nature of Sc2 with much more bo wins etc.
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Gann1
Profile Joined July 2009
United States1575 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-17 01:06:11
October 17 2011 01:03 GMT
#222
On October 15 2011 09:18 Vaelone wrote:
Show nested quote +

he'd streamroll everyone, especially considering it's easier to macro in sc2.


Shouldn't that actually work against him or is my logic flawed.


oov wasn't actually great at macro mechanics, he was great at using strategies that allowed him to take a much faster 3rd base than his peers at the time which allowed him to get more units out. he was a strategical player, but his strategies focused on securing resources rather than all-in attacks

edited for clarity
I drop suckas like Plinko
trikshun
Profile Joined October 2010
United States437 Posts
October 17 2011 01:06 GMT
#223
On October 17 2011 10:03 Gann1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 09:18 Vaelone wrote:

he'd streamroll everyone, especially considering it's easier to macro in sc2.


Shouldn't that actually work against him or is my logic flawed.


oov wasn't actually great at macro, he was great at using strategies that allowed him to take a much faster 3rd base than his peers at the time which allowed him to get more units out. he was a strategical player, but his strategies focused on securing resources rather than all-in attacks

He was a great macro terran... Only person that's macro was up to par with him in his prime was Reach
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6660 Posts
October 17 2011 01:09 GMT
#224
On October 17 2011 10:06 trikshun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2011 10:03 Gann1 wrote:
On October 15 2011 09:18 Vaelone wrote:

he'd streamroll everyone, especially considering it's easier to macro in sc2.


Shouldn't that actually work against him or is my logic flawed.


oov wasn't actually great at macro, he was great at using strategies that allowed him to take a much faster 3rd base than his peers at the time which allowed him to get more units out. he was a strategical player, but his strategies focused on securing resources rather than all-in attacks

He was a great macro terran... Only person that's macro was up to par with him in his prime was Reach

Ahh Reach.. how I wish he would switch over to Sc2... I think he would do amazingly. It makes me cry watching him warm the bench in BW. Besides we all know Sc2 is seriously lacking in the Manliness department!
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Deleted User 183001
Profile Joined May 2011
2939 Posts
October 17 2011 01:10 GMT
#225
I wish BW players didn't lose their passion. I saw it with oov, I saw it with Savior. They have a few big years, and then after that, it looks like they just get a bit worn-down and undetermined, and they just don't play so well anymore.
It has nothing to do with "getting old" like in real sports, as early-mid 20s is not old in the slightest and tip-top physical condition isn't in the slightest required for professional BW. They just lose their passion and lose determination to be the best. It's sad ;(.

Let's face it. If these legends had the same mentality, demeanor, and determination as in their big years, they'd still be kicking ass and taking names in BW to this day :S
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
October 17 2011 01:12 GMT
#226
On October 17 2011 10:09 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2011 10:06 trikshun wrote:
On October 17 2011 10:03 Gann1 wrote:
On October 15 2011 09:18 Vaelone wrote:

he'd streamroll everyone, especially considering it's easier to macro in sc2.


Shouldn't that actually work against him or is my logic flawed.


oov wasn't actually great at macro, he was great at using strategies that allowed him to take a much faster 3rd base than his peers at the time which allowed him to get more units out. he was a strategical player, but his strategies focused on securing resources rather than all-in attacks

He was a great macro terran... Only person that's macro was up to par with him in his prime was Reach

Ahh Reach.. how I wish he would switch over to Sc2... I think he would do amazingly. It makes me cry watching him warm the bench in BW. Besides we all know Sc2 is seriously lacking in the Manliness department!

Outside of the EG house, I would agree that SC2 needs Mantoss or a Mantoss equivalent to show that even progamers can be bodybuilders. Fortunately, there is the EG house.
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Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6660 Posts
October 17 2011 01:18 GMT
#227
On October 17 2011 10:12 eviltomahawk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2011 10:09 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
On October 17 2011 10:06 trikshun wrote:
On October 17 2011 10:03 Gann1 wrote:
On October 15 2011 09:18 Vaelone wrote:

he'd streamroll everyone, especially considering it's easier to macro in sc2.


Shouldn't that actually work against him or is my logic flawed.


oov wasn't actually great at macro, he was great at using strategies that allowed him to take a much faster 3rd base than his peers at the time which allowed him to get more units out. he was a strategical player, but his strategies focused on securing resources rather than all-in attacks

He was a great macro terran... Only person that's macro was up to par with him in his prime was Reach

Ahh Reach.. how I wish he would switch over to Sc2... I think he would do amazingly. It makes me cry watching him warm the bench in BW. Besides we all know Sc2 is seriously lacking in the Manliness department!

Outside of the EG house, I would agree that SC2 needs Mantoss or a Mantoss equivalent to show that even progamers can be bodybuilders. Fortunately, there is the EG house.

Ahh this is somewhat true. But what made Reach the Mantoss wasn't just his awesome body! . It was his play style, He macro'd like a beast and his builds were mad of balls of steel! Massing up zealots instead of dragoons and just straight up over running people etc.

Also I just remembered this is a thread about Oov and not Reach! Oops xD
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
ReturnStroke
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States801 Posts
October 17 2011 01:19 GMT
#228
let's hope he's enjoying himself
Dirtysocks
Profile Joined August 2011
Czech Republic68 Posts
October 17 2011 01:23 GMT
#229
Now we need Nal_ra to come back! We have boxer, nada, oov, July, yellow coming back, but no protosses!
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
October 17 2011 01:28 GMT
#230
On October 17 2011 10:03 Gann1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 09:18 Vaelone wrote:

he'd streamroll everyone, especially considering it's easier to macro in sc2.


Shouldn't that actually work against him or is my logic flawed.


oov wasn't actually great at macro mechanics, he was great at using strategies that allowed him to take a much faster 3rd base than his peers at the time which allowed him to get more units out. he was a strategical player, but his strategies focused on securing resources rather than all-in attacks

edited for clarity


What?!

While I agree that his strategies revolved around securing a lot of resources early. He was better at Macro than most of his peers at that time.
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
Ciryandor
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3735 Posts
October 17 2011 01:29 GMT
#231
On October 17 2011 10:10 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
I wish BW players didn't lose their passion. I saw it with oov, I saw it with Savior. They have a few big years, and then after that, it looks like they just get a bit worn-down and undetermined, and they just don't play so well anymore.
It has nothing to do with "getting old" like in real sports, as early-mid 20s is not old in the slightest and tip-top physical condition isn't in the slightest required for professional BW. They just lose their passion and lose determination to be the best. It's sad ;(.

Let's face it. If these legends had the same mentality, demeanor, and determination as in their big years, they'd still be kicking ass and taking names in BW to this day :S


oov was more team than me in orientation; he wasn't one of the guys who would chase titles because he just wanted to; focusing more on team led him to retire early and instead be the coaching backbone for SKT T1. Look what it developed. Midas and Fantasy; the best team-grown terran talents in progaming. (Flash doesn't count, his talent is natural. :p)
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0neder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States3733 Posts
October 17 2011 01:34 GMT
#232
On October 17 2011 10:29 Ciryandor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2011 10:10 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
I wish BW players didn't lose their passion. I saw it with oov, I saw it with Savior. They have a few big years, and then after that, it looks like they just get a bit worn-down and undetermined, and they just don't play so well anymore.
It has nothing to do with "getting old" like in real sports, as early-mid 20s is not old in the slightest and tip-top physical condition isn't in the slightest required for professional BW. They just lose their passion and lose determination to be the best. It's sad ;(.

Let's face it. If these legends had the same mentality, demeanor, and determination as in their big years, they'd still be kicking ass and taking names in BW to this day :S


oov was more team than me in orientation; he wasn't one of the guys who would chase titles because he just wanted to; focusing more on team led him to retire early and instead be the coaching backbone for SKT T1. Look what it developed. Midas and Fantasy; the best team-grown terran talents in progaming. (Flash doesn't count, his talent is natural. :p)

Let's face it, esports is a lot harder to psychologically maintain that form than regular sports, since it's so disconnected from reality and physicality.
BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-17 01:43:12
October 17 2011 01:39 GMT
#233
On October 17 2011 10:03 Gann1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 09:18 Vaelone wrote:

he'd streamroll everyone, especially considering it's easier to macro in sc2.


Shouldn't that actually work against him or is my logic flawed.


oov wasn't actually great at macro mechanics, he was great at using strategies that allowed him to take a much faster 3rd base than his peers at the time which allowed him to get more units out. he was a strategical player, but his strategies focused on securing resources rather than all-in attacks

edited for clarity


Not great at macro mechanics? lol

Watch 8:02



Also, he is clicking each building individually and making the unit. In SC1 you can't hot key all your buildings in one hot key and just click m to make marines. Which is also one reason why I have more respect for SC1 players then the SC2 ones. The games a lot damn harder.
Gann1
Profile Joined July 2009
United States1575 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-17 02:03:42
October 17 2011 02:02 GMT
#234
On October 17 2011 10:28 windsupernova wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2011 10:03 Gann1 wrote:
On October 15 2011 09:18 Vaelone wrote:

he'd streamroll everyone, especially considering it's easier to macro in sc2.


Shouldn't that actually work against him or is my logic flawed.


oov wasn't actually great at macro mechanics, he was great at using strategies that allowed him to take a much faster 3rd base than his peers at the time which allowed him to get more units out. he was a strategical player, but his strategies focused on securing resources rather than all-in attacks

edited for clarity


What?!

While I agree that his strategies revolved around securing a lot of resources early. He was better at Macro than most of his peers at that time.


if you go back and watch some oov games, you'll see what i mean. he had a LOT more factories than he should need for his base count in most games, which signifies loose mechanics

his mechanics were good for the time but not great. the point I'm trying to make is that it was his mind that made him the cheater terran, not his hand speed. that'll translate over well into sc2, hand speed/mechanics wouldn't translate over as well since there isn't as much that separates great mechanics from good mechanics in sc2

@guy above me - you don't need to give me the bw is harder lecture, i'm a bw player and still greatly prefer it over sc2
I drop suckas like Plinko
brachester
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia1786 Posts
October 17 2011 02:05 GMT
#235
master already lol
I hate all this singing
trikshun
Profile Joined October 2010
United States437 Posts
October 17 2011 02:13 GMT
#236
On October 17 2011 11:02 Gann1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2011 10:28 windsupernova wrote:
On October 17 2011 10:03 Gann1 wrote:
On October 15 2011 09:18 Vaelone wrote:

he'd streamroll everyone, especially considering it's easier to macro in sc2.


Shouldn't that actually work against him or is my logic flawed.


oov wasn't actually great at macro mechanics, he was great at using strategies that allowed him to take a much faster 3rd base than his peers at the time which allowed him to get more units out. he was a strategical player, but his strategies focused on securing resources rather than all-in attacks

edited for clarity


What?!

While I agree that his strategies revolved around securing a lot of resources early. He was better at Macro than most of his peers at that time.


if you go back and watch some oov games, you'll see what i mean. he had a LOT more factories than he should need for his base count in most games, which signifies loose mechanics

his mechanics were good for the time but not great. the point I'm trying to make is that it was his mind that made him the cheater terran, not his hand speed. that'll translate over well into sc2, hand speed/mechanics wouldn't translate over as well since there isn't as much that separates great mechanics from good mechanics in sc2

@guy above me - you don't need to give me the bw is harder lecture, i'm a bw player and still greatly prefer it over sc2

If he can sufficiently afford all those factories than why not? You aren't proving a point
Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2570 Posts
October 17 2011 02:15 GMT
#237
On October 17 2011 10:03 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Didn't he retire because of a wrist injury? I don't see that just going away so I doubt he will actually switch over professionally.


Though if he did, it would be interesting. With the easier Macro in Sc2 he should be able to keep up with top tier players to a certain degree, and with his pure RTS brilliance I can see him doing much better then the other legends that have switched over simply because of the nature of Sc2 with much more bo wins etc.


Ya broke his wrist in the shower, took like a year to recover I think and then just switched to coaching.
genius_man16
Profile Joined February 2011
United States749 Posts
October 17 2011 02:15 GMT
#238
On October 17 2011 11:05 brachester wrote:
master already lol


I'm fairly certain there is literally no way a former BW pro wouldn't immediately be Master when they transition to SC2
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Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6660 Posts
October 17 2011 02:17 GMT
#239
On October 17 2011 11:15 Kaal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2011 10:03 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Didn't he retire because of a wrist injury? I don't see that just going away so I doubt he will actually switch over professionally.


Though if he did, it would be interesting. With the easier Macro in Sc2 he should be able to keep up with top tier players to a certain degree, and with his pure RTS brilliance I can see him doing much better then the other legends that have switched over simply because of the nature of Sc2 with much more bo wins etc.


Ya broke his wrist in the shower, took like a year to recover I think and then just switched to coaching.

Ahh my bad I thought it was a more serious injury :S. If thats the case I really hope he switches over I think his style would fit very nicely with Sc2
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Gann1
Profile Joined July 2009
United States1575 Posts
October 17 2011 02:17 GMT
#240
On October 17 2011 11:13 trikshun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2011 11:02 Gann1 wrote:
On October 17 2011 10:28 windsupernova wrote:
On October 17 2011 10:03 Gann1 wrote:
On October 15 2011 09:18 Vaelone wrote:

he'd streamroll everyone, especially considering it's easier to macro in sc2.


Shouldn't that actually work against him or is my logic flawed.


oov wasn't actually great at macro mechanics, he was great at using strategies that allowed him to take a much faster 3rd base than his peers at the time which allowed him to get more units out. he was a strategical player, but his strategies focused on securing resources rather than all-in attacks

edited for clarity


What?!

While I agree that his strategies revolved around securing a lot of resources early. He was better at Macro than most of his peers at that time.


if you go back and watch some oov games, you'll see what i mean. he had a LOT more factories than he should need for his base count in most games, which signifies loose mechanics

his mechanics were good for the time but not great. the point I'm trying to make is that it was his mind that made him the cheater terran, not his hand speed. that'll translate over well into sc2, hand speed/mechanics wouldn't translate over as well since there isn't as much that separates great mechanics from good mechanics in sc2

@guy above me - you don't need to give me the bw is harder lecture, i'm a bw player and still greatly prefer it over sc2

If he can sufficiently afford all those factories than why not? You aren't proving a point


he can afford those factories because he missed production cycles
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