EPTI went through a really annoying period where I was winning every PvT, but losing in PvZ unless they cheesed or something. It would have been nice to play some higher level Terrans and some lower level Zerg during that time.
Multiple 1v1 ranks and the future of the ladder - Page 4
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meadbert
United States681 Posts
I went through a really annoying period where I was winning every PvT, but losing in PvZ unless they cheesed or something. It would have been nice to play some higher level Terrans and some lower level Zerg during that time. | ||
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Snaphoo
United States614 Posts
On October 13 2011 08:14 pt wrote: Ladder : You play against people close to your rating. You don't get to choose the match up or opponent. Custom : You choose who to play against. How is that so hard to understand? You don't choose who to play against, you are randomly placed with any player at any level who also queues up a Custom game. It is almost worthless because it's pure luck if you ever play someone anywhere near your skill level. I was High Diamond P at the beginning of Season 3. I haven't played in 2 months. I have little incentive to pick the game up again because I'll just crater my MMR trying to ladder with my weakened mechanics and necessary catch-up-time for learning the new metagame. If there was an unranked ladder? I'd be much more willing to slowly but surely work my way up. So, I switched to playing LoL when I have free time and just watch MLG/GSL every once in awhile. Considering the graveyard of player accounts (ever try to in-game PM any of the older posters on those 'Practice Partner' threads? And those are TL members!), I don't think I'm alone in this attitude. | ||
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pt
United States813 Posts
On October 13 2011 08:17 templar rage wrote: How? All the accounts would be completely separate. Similar to how a lot of programs let you install the software on multiple computers. Instead of multiple computers, it's multiple accounts, all of which are completely separate from each other (besides being linked by the same CD key, but that's irrelevent). Because over half of the ladder would be inactive. It would be pointless to even have rankings. | ||
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pt
United States813 Posts
On October 13 2011 08:18 Snaphoo wrote: You don't choose who to play against, you are randomly placed with any player at any level who also queues up a Custom game. It is almost worthless because it's pure luck if you ever play someone anywhere near your skill level. I was High Diamond P at the beginning of Season 3. I haven't played in 2 months. I have little incentive to pick the game up again because I'll just crater my MMR trying to ladder with my weakened mechanics and necessary catch-up-time for learning the new metagame. If there was an unranked ladder? I'd be much more willing to slowly but surely work my way up. So, I switched to playing LoL when I have free time and just watch MLG/GSL every once in awhile. Considering the graveyard of player accounts (ever try to PM any of the older posts on those 'Practice Partner' threads? And those are TL members!), I don't think I'm alone in this attitude. Do you even know how to make a custom game? Okay, let me explain to you how to find a custom game. 1. Join a channel. I do not recommend public channels or teamliquid since it is mostly discussion. 2. Ask for a game. State your division and race ONLY. Saying HIGH diamond or LOW diamond can cause people from higher or lower leagues to ask you for a game. Points do not necessarily translate to skill anyway. 3. Create a game. 4. Invite the person you wish to play with. 5. Start the game. Wish them good luck and tell them to have fun (Optional). Why custom games aren't that bad: You get to off race and it doesn't affect your ladder rank. You can play whoever you want. You can play on any map you want. You can play any match up you want. You are less likely to play against players who pull all SCVs and all-in you after you harass their mineral line for 2 seconds. | ||
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Snaphoo
United States614 Posts
This seems pretty ban-worthy. | ||
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FusionMrWet
United States121 Posts
I understand there are custom games, but it would allow you to play against people you dnt normally play against so you dnt know there style right away. I think this system should have a sort of mmr format so you can play against people the same skill range as you, but with no rank or points that is known by anyone other then the match making system. | ||
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willoc
Canada1530 Posts
On October 13 2011 08:07 Panzamelano wrote: seems like most people dont understand the point the OP is triying to bring up.... he isnt saying he wants different ladders... he says he wants different "teams" for 1v1 just as in 2v2 when you get a partner and 2v2 it creates a new team and ranks you... he wants that but in 1v1... and obviously locked to only 4 teams to people dont go crazy. You hit it on the head. | ||
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blackone
Germany1314 Posts
If you want to change your main race, you can just do that. You'll lose the first games, but your MMR will be adjusted pretty soon. If you like to play all three races, you can just do that. Your MMR will reflect it. The only reason people want something like his, is that they want to have a "less stressful" environment for playing (offrace or not) but still have a one button solution that matches them with an appropriate partner. The problem is, the moment you introduce that kind of option, be it different 1v1 "teams" or an unranked option, people will start playing that a lot and will play much less "serious" ladder games. It would definitely hurt the overall ladder skill level. Just play your games, however you like. And stop giving so much shit about achievements or your ladder ranking. They don't mean anything. On October 13 2011 08:18 Snaphoo wrote: I was High Diamond P at the beginning of Season 3. I haven't played in 2 months. I have little incentive to pick the game up again because I'll just crater my MMR trying to ladder with my weakened mechanics and necessary catch-up-time for learning the new metagame. It's not Blizzards job to fix your ego. Of course your MMR will decrease, it's reflecting your relative skill level, and that's decreasing when you stop playing for a longer period of time. If will decrease to the point where you're matched against people you have a 50% winning chance against. That's the whole point of a match making system. | ||
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willoc
Canada1530 Posts
On October 13 2011 08:21 blackone wrote: I think it's unnecessary, and it would be hurting the game. If you want to change your main race, you can just do that. You'll lose the first games, but your MMR will be adjusted pretty soon. If you like to play all three races, you can just do that. Your MMR will reflect it. The only reason people want something like his, is that they want to have a "less stressful" environment for playing (offrace or not) but still have a one button solution that matches them with an appropriate partner. The problem is, the moment you introduce that kind of option, be it different 1v1 "teams" or an unranked option, people will start playing that a lot and will play much less "serious" ladder games. It would definitely hurt the overall ladder skill level. Just play your games, however you like. And stop giving so much shit about achievements or your ladder ranking. They don't mean anything. You say, on one hand, that we should not care about our ladder ranking. Then you say, on the other hand, that people will be much less 'serious' if this change occurs and this is a problem. Could you elaborate this inconsistency? | ||
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TelecoM
United States10646 Posts
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taintmachine
United States431 Posts
i agree with the separate ranks for 1v1. i don't rly care the # of separate ranks we get. i switched races a couple times at low masters, and it was pretty rough (didn't learn much for a while, either). customing from the list is a nonoption for me, finding people, i admit, can be too inconvenient, and i'd rather learn from the ladder as a ladder player. it's too greedy of blizzard to expect us to buy new accounts + expansions for something like offracing. | ||
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ColdLava
Canada1673 Posts
I'd really support the 4 1v1 rankings. | ||
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Snaphoo
United States614 Posts
On October 13 2011 08:19 pt wrote: Do you even know how to make a custom game? Okay, let me explain to you how to find a custom game. 1. Join a channel. I do not recommend public channels or teamliquid since it is mostly discussion. 2. Ask for a game. State your division and race ONLY. Saying HIGH diamond or LOW diamond can get people from higher or lower leagues to ask you for a game. Points do not necessarily translate to skill anyway. 3. Create a game. 4. Invite the person you wish to play with. This is incredibly time-consuming, extremely hit-or-miss, and doesn't let you simulate the rapid-fire pace of mass laddering, as you'll just be playing one person over and over. Unless you stop. And ask. And wait. And hope someone responds at your level. And try again. Then exit. And try again. If you consider that a viable alternative to laddering, I think you're pretty out of touch with online gaming. It's not 1998 anymore. | ||
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Geos13
437 Posts
For the record I do not have this ladder fear. Oh and I support a rank for each race. | ||
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Psychobabas
2531 Posts
Having 2-month seasons makes things even worse. I'll just play my placement game and will just mass customs as usual. Also, the custom game system needs a HUGE improvement. I don't think I need to write down why. Everyone knows how shitty it is. | ||
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Angelbelow
United States3728 Posts
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blackone
Germany1314 Posts
On October 13 2011 08:23 willoc wrote: You say, on one hand, that we should not care about our ladder ranking. Then you say, on the other hand, that people will be much less 'serious' if this change occurs and this is a problem. Could you elaborate this inconsistency? No, because it's not an inconsistency. They should not care about they're ranking, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't play to win. A high Ladder ranking does not mean you're good, it does not mean you have a high winning percentage, it just means you have played a lot of games compared to other people in your division. | ||
Excalibur_Z
United States12224 Posts
On October 13 2011 08:21 blackone wrote: I think it's unnecessary, and it would be hurting the game. If you want to change your main race, you can just do that. You'll lose the first games, but your MMR will be adjusted pretty soon. If you like to play all three races, you can just do that. Your MMR will reflect it. The only reason people want something like his, is that they want to have a "less stressful" environment for playing (offrace or not) but still have a one button solution that matches them with an appropriate partner. The problem is, the moment you introduce that kind of option, be it different 1v1 "teams" or an unranked option, people will start playing that a lot and will play much less "serious" ladder games. It would definitely hurt the overall ladder skill level. Just play your games, however you like. And stop giving so much shit about achievements or your ladder ranking. They don't mean anything. Yes, that's exactly right. There's already incentive in the form of bonus pool and portraits and decals. Those are supposed to encourage you to play. If you lose with an offrace, eventually you'll get to a point where you'll start winning with that offrace. You don't need an unranked ladder or race-specific MMR to do that. War3 never used different ratings for your race and neither did BW. There's no real reason to introduce that into SC2. Players are players and it's unnecessary to add a short-term solution like different MMRs for different races when fundamental strategies and mechanics are what dictate actual skill. | ||
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branflakes14
2082 Posts
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pt
United States813 Posts
On October 13 2011 08:24 Snaphoo wrote: This is incredibly time-consuming, extremely hit-or-miss, and doesn't let you simulate the rapid-fire pace of mass laddering, as you'll just be playing one person over and over. Unless you stop. And ask. And wait. And hope someone responds at your level. And try again. Then exit. And try again. If you consider that a viable alternative to laddering, I think you're pretty out of touch with online gaming. It's not 1998 anymore. Ladder is hit or miss. What if you get a terrible player who cheesed every single game and got to your MMR? What if you get matched up with a pro smurfing? How often do you get good macro games on ladder? Btw, I have no problem finding practice games with players better than me. And I don't understand what you're trying to say when you say It's not 1998 anymore. Are you saying that we should sacrifice competitiveness? Look at how we went from Quake and Unreal Tournament to Call of Duty. | ||
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