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Razuik
Profile Joined October 2010
United States409 Posts
October 12 2011 22:41 GMT
#21
On October 13 2011 07:24 ChroMaTe_ wrote:
There should just be an unranked 1v1 "ladder" period.

The idea of an unranked ladder is contrary to Blizzard's ladder design... Depending on how this "unranked ladder" would be set up.
NemesysTV
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1088 Posts
October 12 2011 22:42 GMT
#22
On October 13 2011 07:27 MonkSEA wrote:
An unranked ladder and a ranked ladder is all that is needed.

Same thing as playing customs
pt
Profile Joined November 2010
United States813 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-12 22:48:26
October 12 2011 22:43 GMT
#23
On October 13 2011 07:29 willoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2011 07:27 MonkSEA wrote:
An unranked ladder and a ranked ladder is all that is needed.


What if you want to know how well you are doing (ranking wise) with an off-race?


Remember that points doesn't necessarily translate to skill.

There's no other way to see where you are besides judging your own skill.

Or you could play a custom with a bronze player, a silver player, a gold player, platinum player, etc.
EG-TL!
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
October 12 2011 22:43 GMT
#24
I don't think a separate ladder is needed but if Blizzard would set up a matchmaking system for unranked games, call it "Practice League" or something, it keeps game statistics but no ranking and the games don't effect your ladder W-L or points but have MMR overlap, I'd support that.

And if you're at the point where you're just trying out new builds and strategies and expect a moderate number of "bad" games working the kinks out, still use practice partners and customs for that, and when they're refined a little take them to the Practice League, and then use them on ladder when you think you're ready.
no place i'd rather be than the satellite of love
Silidons
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2813 Posts
October 12 2011 22:47 GMT
#25
On October 13 2011 07:42 NemesysTV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2011 07:27 MonkSEA wrote:
An unranked ladder and a ranked ladder is all that is needed.

Same thing as playing customs

No its not because you can only play Xel Naga or Shattered on customs because no one joins any other games...
"God fights on the side with the best artillery." - Napoleon Bonaparte
Apolo
Profile Joined May 2010
Portugal1259 Posts
October 12 2011 22:48 GMT
#26
When Blizzard starts to pay attention to the so-called ladder fear will be a blessing for most 1v1ers out there. Maybe they will start adressing this as a real issue.
nitdkim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1264 Posts
October 12 2011 22:48 GMT
#27
As a random player, I like it as it is. If they set it so that it is 1 per race, then I'd have to individually rank up terran,zerg, and protoss if I ever want to play them on ladder. I will be stuck with playing random even if I want to pick a race.

On the other hand, a player who is only playing Terran wouldn't lose anything by picking zerg or protoss because their zerg/protoss play is obviously not on the equal level as their main terran. They'd have no issue with playing in a lower league with their off-race.

If I have to get into masters with each race even though I am a masters level player playing random, then it'd be such a chore. I'd like to sometimes just pick a race and ladder even though my main is random to test out a build or get better with one race.

Taking out random for 1v1 ladder is ludicrus. Being a top random player is kind of a pride in itself. (don't worry, I ain't no cheesy newb).

I don't think the dwindling 1v1 situation isn't a fault of the ladder system. It's just that the game is just getting stale and people are just getting tired of it. I've played over 500 games in short duration of 2 months or so during the summer and reached the highest ladder rank that I could get and then the game just got so stale.

Also, I think having too much starcraft content is definitely not helping. If you want starcraft, you can just watch streams and tournaments and you don't even need to play the game.

There's been research on effects of cyber sex on people and it showed that people having cyber sex had reduced or no need for actual physical sex because cyber sex was capable of completely replacing real sex (watched a documentary on it, you can prob google stuff about it if you're curious). Though it might not be the same thing, just watching SC can replace playing it, too imo.
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pt
Profile Joined November 2010
United States813 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-12 22:50:33
October 12 2011 22:49 GMT
#28
On October 13 2011 07:47 Silidons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2011 07:42 NemesysTV wrote:
On October 13 2011 07:27 MonkSEA wrote:
An unranked ladder and a ranked ladder is all that is needed.

Same thing as playing customs

No its not because you can only play Xel Naga or Shattered on customs because no one joins any other games...


Go into channels and ask for games. And people claim to off-race for fun. Custom games tend to have less crazy cheeses that no one likes to play against.
EG-TL!
brachester
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia1786 Posts
October 12 2011 22:52 GMT
#29
or blizzard can scrap the whole idea of ladder if people keep getting scared of playing 1v1, as long as people in this thread concern. The solution of getting 2 1v1 doesn't seem to make any sense
I hate all this singing
Shaok
Profile Joined October 2010
297 Posts
October 12 2011 22:53 GMT
#30
On October 13 2011 07:24 ChroMaTe_ wrote:
There should just be an unranked 1v1 "ladder" period.


Its called customs
JasonX
Profile Joined November 2010
Korea (South)90 Posts
October 12 2011 22:54 GMT
#31
Just play and have fun... or you can be like me and purchase multiple accounts for each race T_T
The actions we do today, will echo in eternity.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
October 12 2011 22:54 GMT
#32
Post it on bnet forums.
Blizzard doesn't read tl, so what's the point of posting it on here?
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rfoster
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1005 Posts
October 12 2011 22:55 GMT
#33
On October 13 2011 07:42 NemesysTV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2011 07:27 MonkSEA wrote:
An unranked ladder and a ranked ladder is all that is needed.

Same thing as playing customs



What about matchmaking? In custom games you normally get someone nowhere near your rank. What if the unranked ladder matched you by your current mmr but didnt move it?
I personally would prefer the ladder to be like it was in BW but unranked ladder does have a lot of potential
RyanRushia
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2748 Posts
October 12 2011 22:56 GMT
#34
i liked the warcraft 3 style of each individual race having statistics, with all games contributing to only one ladder (except for arranged team games of course), would be nice to incorporate
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turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
October 12 2011 22:56 GMT
#35
On October 13 2011 07:54 TehTemplar wrote:
Post it on bnet forums.
Blizzard doesn't read tl, so what's the point of posting it on here?


people who have actual influence in the design of the game read TL as much as they read battle.net
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
October 12 2011 22:56 GMT
#36
On October 13 2011 07:56 turdburgler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2011 07:54 TehTemplar wrote:
Post it on bnet forums.
Blizzard doesn't read tl, so what's the point of posting it on here?


people who have actual influence in the design of the game read TL as much as they read battle.net


They officially consider and take all suggestions from B.net
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Deathmanbob
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2356 Posts
October 12 2011 22:56 GMT
#37
I would LOVE this idea, i have always wanted to ladder zerg because i really really enjoy playing that race ( just not as much as toss) but i cant play high diamond/low master zerg, if i could get a second ladder where i could off race id use it all the time.

I know i could buy another account but i dont want to spend 60 bucks to play zerg sometimes
No Artosis, you are robin
pt
Profile Joined November 2010
United States813 Posts
October 12 2011 22:57 GMT
#38
On October 13 2011 07:55 gogatorsfoster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2011 07:42 NemesysTV wrote:
On October 13 2011 07:27 MonkSEA wrote:
An unranked ladder and a ranked ladder is all that is needed.

Same thing as playing customs



What about matchmaking? In custom games you normally get someone nowhere near your rank. What if the unranked ladder matched you by your current mmr but didnt move it?
I personally would prefer the ladder to be like it was in BW but unranked ladder does have a lot of potential


Find someone in your league. A lot of people on ladder play with people who are much better/worse.
EG-TL!
Deathmanbob
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2356 Posts
October 12 2011 22:58 GMT
#39
On October 13 2011 07:53 TheOne85 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2011 07:24 ChroMaTe_ wrote:
There should just be an unranked 1v1 "ladder" period.


Its called customs


Its not the same because in customes you cant pick who you play against they are usualy no where near your skill level (either above or below) Its been a very rare day when i hit someone around my mmr on cust games
No Artosis, you are robin
Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12238 Posts
October 12 2011 22:58 GMT
#40
I wish people would stop suggesting "unranked ladder" because it's a terrible idea. The ladder thrives and frankly survives through an active playerbase. The minute an "unranked ladder" appears, the actual ladder loses a lot of players who would rather choose a less stressful gametype than contribute to the overall health of the system. Blizzard will never do it for exactly that reason, because it hurts everyone in the long run.
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