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On October 13 2011 07:49 pt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 07:47 Silidons wrote:On October 13 2011 07:42 NemesysTV wrote:On October 13 2011 07:27 MonkSEA wrote:
An unranked ladder and a ranked ladder is all that is needed. Same thing as playing customs No its not because you can only play Xel Naga or Shattered on customs because no one joins any other games... Go into channels and ask for games. And people claim to off-race for fun. Custom games tend to have less crazy cheeses that no one likes to play against.
You're forgetting that takes time and effort. We're lazy fucktards that want everything given to use via a baby spoon. I don't see why everyone is saying "Custom games is your unranked ladder". The fact is that the custom games are often empty and you'd be waiting for a while if you wanted to play a map apart from Shattered or Xel. And if you went to a channel and ask you are taking up even more time. And people don't want to spend time looking to play a game when they can just do 3v3/4v4's faster.
Now imagine a little button after FFA called Unranked.
You choose what XvX you want unranked.
You hit find me a game.
You play with someone on a random map in the map pool.
It takes out about 5-10 minutes of waiting and fuck assing around looking for an opponent. Now imagine if they had this: How much more 1v1's would be populated, people gaining confidence and skill via Unranked games, without the ladder fear and potentially making those with ladder fear slowly cure themselves. It's a win-win situation for everyone involved. You don't like it? Don't use it. You love it? You're using it.
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if this happened my Z would be Diamond, P-gold and T-bronze haha wouldn't look good but I still dig the idea
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On October 13 2011 07:58 Deathmanbob wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 07:53 TheOne85 wrote:On October 13 2011 07:24 ChroMaTe_ wrote:
There should just be an unranked 1v1 "ladder" period. Its called customs  Its not the same because in customes you cant pick who you play against  they are usualy no where near your skill level (either above or below) Its been a very rare day when i hit someone around my mmr on cust games
You can't pick who you play against on ladder lol
And you can pick your opponents for customs.
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unranked 1v1 ladder sounds good, I have no unranked way to practice... customs you get matched with golds ''/
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On October 13 2011 07:58 MonkSEA wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 07:49 pt wrote:On October 13 2011 07:47 Silidons wrote:On October 13 2011 07:42 NemesysTV wrote:On October 13 2011 07:27 MonkSEA wrote:
An unranked ladder and a ranked ladder is all that is needed. Same thing as playing customs No its not because you can only play Xel Naga or Shattered on customs because no one joins any other games... Go into channels and ask for games. And people claim to off-race for fun. Custom games tend to have less crazy cheeses that no one likes to play against. You're forgetting that takes time and effort. We're lazy fucktards that want everything given to use via a baby spoon. I don't see why everyone is saying "Custom games is your unranked ladder". The fact is that the custom games are often empty and you'd be waiting for a while if you wanted to play a map apart from Shattered or Xel. And if you went to a channel and ask you are taking up even more time. And people don't want to spend time looking to play a game when they can just do 3v3/4v4's faster. Now imagine a little button after FFA called Unranked. You choose what XvX you want unranked. You hit find me a game. You play with someone on a random map in the map pool. It takes out about 5-10 minutes of waiting and fuck assing around looking for an opponent. Now imagine if they had this: How much more 1v1's would be populated, people gaining confidence and skill via Unranked games, without the ladder fear and potentially making those with ladder fear slowly cure themselves. It's a win-win situation for everyone involved. You don't like it? Don't use it. You love it? You're using it.
Is this sarcasm? Because I always find practice games in team channels.
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On October 13 2011 07:58 Excalibur_Z wrote:
I wish people would stop suggesting "unranked ladder" because it's a terrible idea. The ladder thrives and frankly survives through an active playerbase. The minute an "unranked ladder" appears, the actual ladder loses a lot of players who would rather choose a less stressful gametype than contribute to the overall health of the system. Blizzard will never do it for exactly that reason, because it hurts everyone in the long run.
I will have to agree with this. Everything should be ranked. There could even be a 1v1 ladder rating for each race (strictly enforced) per account. So when you are looking at Idra, for example, you would look at this 1v1-Zerg as his main rank.
Unranked would be a headache to implement from a player standpoint as well. They play someone, they lose, they have no idea what the other player's standing is besides looking at their 1v1 rank (which could very well be a different race).
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After playing League of Legends, it just seems like ridiculous tone-deafness on the part of Blizzard to not have a unranked ladder that still matches you against people near your level. It's not that hard to do, or of it is, a company the size of Blizzard should be able to match what tiny companies like Riot are doing with no sweat.
I would absolutely play more SC2 if there was such a feature.
Edit: For those that say that it would poach players form ladder: No, it wouldn't. I very rarely ladder except when I feel like I'm on the tip-top of my game and have a solid handle on 2 builds for each match-up. Blizzard would win back players that have abandoned playing ladder by doing this.
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On October 13 2011 07:24 ChroMaTe_ wrote:
There should just be an unranked 1v1 "ladder" period.
With GMs playing Bronze?
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For those who are completely oblivious of chat channels outside of teamliquid, Protoss Strategy 1, General Chat, etc., it is VERY easy to find games in other channels.
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Why the hell do you want an unranked ladder? If your goal it to be getting better you should be playing against people of your skill level. If the ranking next to your name scares you that much put a sticky note over it so you don't have to see it or go play custom games.
If there was as unranked ladder it would demolish the whole mmr based system that we all play currently. One thing blizzards system does really well is matching you against people of your own skill level.
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seems like most people dont understand the point the OP is triying to bring up.... he isnt saying he wants different ladders... he says he wants different "teams" for 1v1 just as in 2v2 when you get a partner and 2v2 it creates a new team and ranks you... he wants that but in 1v1... and obviously locked to only 4 teams to people dont go crazy.
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On October 13 2011 07:58 MonkSEA wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 07:49 pt wrote:On October 13 2011 07:47 Silidons wrote:On October 13 2011 07:42 NemesysTV wrote:On October 13 2011 07:27 MonkSEA wrote:
An unranked ladder and a ranked ladder is all that is needed. Same thing as playing customs No its not because you can only play Xel Naga or Shattered on customs because no one joins any other games... Go into channels and ask for games. And people claim to off-race for fun. Custom games tend to have less crazy cheeses that no one likes to play against. You're forgetting that takes time and effort. We're lazy fucktards that want everything given to use via a baby spoon. I don't see why everyone is saying "Custom games is your unranked ladder". The fact is that the custom games are often empty and you'd be waiting for a while if you wanted to play a map apart from Shattered or Xel. And if you went to a channel and ask you are taking up even more time. And people don't want to spend time looking to play a game when they can just do 3v3/4v4's faster. Now imagine a little button after FFA called Unranked. You choose what XvX you want unranked. You hit find me a game. You play with someone on a random map in the map pool. It takes out about 5-10 minutes of waiting and fuck assing around looking for an opponent. Now imagine if they had this: How much more 1v1's would be populated, people gaining confidence and skill via Unranked games, without the ladder fear and potentially making those with ladder fear slowly cure themselves. It's a win-win situation for everyone involved. You don't like it? Don't use it. You love it? You're using it.
I think the concept of choosing a matchup is a great idea. If I want to work on a certain matchup (ex. PvZ), I dislike doing so on ladder because you usually don't get the matchup you want. Custom games are also just as random and while you can just instaquit if you don't get the matchup you want, I still feel like it is a waste of time. In addition, there is a broad skill variance in customs, which makes it difficult to work on a matchup at your level. (ex. if you play against someone terrible, you are likely to cut corners that will hurt you in an actual game).
It would be great to get some matchup work without having to do a lot of searching or waiting for a practice partner.
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The only problem I would have with this (which wouldn't even be my problem at all really) is that what if, for example, pros want to mess around and off race. They would then have to level their other race ranks all the way back up to masters/GMish, because that's usually the level of their other races too. Then you could have scenarios with GM players players that are way less skilled than them, which is kinda unfair.
Just a thought.
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Tbh, I'm not quite sure why Blizzard only allows one account per CD key (besides the obvious financial considerations). Isn't it fairly standard to allow like 3 uses of a CD key for a game (at least)? If they just did that, we'd be fine.
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On October 13 2011 08:10 templar rage wrote:
Tbh, I'm not quite sure why Blizzard only allows one account per CD key (besides the obvious financial considerations). Isn't it fairly standard to allow like 3 uses of a CD key for a game? If they just did that, we'd be fine.
That would ruin the ranking system.
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On October 13 2011 08:07 xOff wrote:
Why the hell do you want an unranked ladder? If your goal it to be getting better you should be playing against people of your skill level. If the ranking next to your name scares you that much put a sticky note over it so you don't have to see it or go play custom games.
If there was as unranked ladder it would demolish the whole mmr based system that we all play currently. One thing blizzards system does really well matching you against people of your own skill level.
Why I Want Unranked Ladder:
- So I can try new builds or strategies against people of my own level without being punished with demotion in the early stages of trying to get a grasp on play.
- A way to train when I'm a bit rusty that's less random than Custom (A silver Zerg or a Masters Protoss? Don't know til you queue one up!). I want an unranked ladder so that I can play against people of my skill level. Basically I would play against people with my MMR, but it wouldn't go up or down with losses or wins. If I'm winning lots of unranked games, I'll go back to ranked ladder because I know I'm ready.
- You may not like it, but look at the declining activity among vast numbers of players who still like the game or play team games, but stay far away from 1v1. It would revitalize ladder as people could see where they stand on the unranked ladder and then start playing ranked ladder again.
- It would make the game more accessible to noobs/people embarrassed of losing or afraid of being demoted if they haven't played for awhile or are on a cold streak.
- Analogy: There are very good people in League of Legends. They play new champions (similar to offracing) in unranked games, often, and then when they feel comfortable go back into Ranked games with those chars.
- REBUTTAL: It would not destroy MMR. People would keep playing on ladder just like always, it's just that there would be a shadow ladder alongside it.
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One of the things that annoys me about the 1v1 Ladder is that the incentive system in built is not working. I'm refering to the achievements for 1v1 victories (we know that many people are motivated by these achievements and portraits). That system has been completely undermined by portrait farmers and the fact that blizzard has let people 'throw games' in that regard.
I think a properly working achievement system for 1v1 (no suggestions sorry) would be a better way to incentivise ladder participation
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Ladder : You play against people close to your rating. You don't get to choose the match up or opponent.
Custom : You choose who to play against.
How is that so hard to understand?
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On October 13 2011 08:12 pt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 08:10 templar rage wrote:
Tbh, I'm not quite sure why Blizzard only allows one account per CD key (besides the obvious financial considerations). Isn't it fairly standard to allow like 3 uses of a CD key for a game? If they just did that, we'd be fine.
That would ruin the ranking system.
How? All the accounts would be completely separate. Similar to how a lot of programs let you install the software on multiple computers. Instead of multiple computers, it's multiple accounts, all of which are completely separate from each other (besides being linked by the same CD key, but that's irrelevent).
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